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I have a druid in my group with an Axe Beak. After finding out how much baby Axe Beaks are worth, He asked if he could use Wild Shape to turn into an Axe Beak to fertilize the eggs. I really don't know what to say and Paizo doesn't cover this.
Tell him his Axebeak is male. If he still wants to go through with the process, he can, but has to stay in Axebeak form until the eggs are hatched and fed for the two months, then require a Will save to part with the babies.
I was somewhat joking about the eating their mates, but only because I wanted to know the players reaction.
I have a druid in my group with an Axe Beak. After finding out how much baby Axe Beaks are worth, He asked if he could use Wild Shape to turn into an Axe Beak to fertilize the eggs. I really don't know what to say and Paizo doesn't cover this.Tell him his Axebeak is male. If he still wants to go through with the process, he can, but has to stay in Axebeak form until the eggs are hatched and fed for the two months, then require a Will save to part with the babies.
I was somewhat joking about the eating their mates, but only because I wanted to know the players reaction.
This.
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This is the gift that keeps on giving.
Entirely aside from the Lamashtu angle (DO IT), you also suddenly have an Axe Beak with a romantic attraction to one of your characters.
Some how, some way, that bird needs to be Awakened some time down the road.
Imagine this: the players have moved on. The Lamashtu thing is resolved (or ongoing but quiet for now). They're on the next mission. The druid is being attacked by some baddy, when suddenly the Axe Beak bursts onto the scene screaming (in common, no less) "you shall not hurt my mate!!"
Cool thing, right? So the Druid picks up a new pet...
...except that every time the players want to do something, the bird interferes in the most comedic way possible. It makes snarky comments during delicate PC interactions. It squawks love songs during their stealth attempts. And every night while the PCs are trying to rest, the bird tries to get Romantic with her mate. It quickly becomes both the party clown and the most Annoying Pet Ever.
If you do it with enough comedic flair, the group will be talking about "The Axe Beak Incident" for years to come.
Scientifically, no, he can't do it. Sperm takes like 48 hours to populate from nil...it's why one of the best ways for a man to not have kids is just to take hot baths.
So, let's say he wildshapes. He's not going to get the right material for at least a full day. Owing that he probably doesn't want to have anthropomorphic kids in human form, it stands to reason that any wildshaped seed is going to leave when he resumes form sometime during the day, just like everything else, leaving him with plain old human genetics to pump into his lovebird.
I.e. without magic specifically set to address this, no kiddies.
Although the idea of a druid selling off animals at all, let alone those he sired, is indeed a pretty sour thing.
==Aelryinth
Going from actually mythology both the Centaur and Minotaur are the offspring of a dude porking an animal.Uhhh i'm pretty sure out of those 4 only Half-Dragons are the result of breeding with other species.All i have to say to the whole "actual genetic makeup would be incompatible" is half-dragons, Centaur, Minotaur and those dark elf spider centaur things. If the genetic make up does not work y did it with those examples?I could see the argument that he is not truly genetically a bird so his actual genetic makeup would be incompatible to reproduce with a bird...however I see no reason he couldn't tap that bird ass. You could either let him know it isn't possible or let him bang birds so many times before he figures it out himself.
And thus he earns his true nickname: Chickenf*ucker the Bold.
Actually I think in mythology it was a white bull that had sex with a human woman to create the Minotaur.
I was, however, referring to D&D/PF creatures. Fairly certain they are not the results of inter species breeding. And Driders specifically are the result of poisons and elixers.
I prefer the version which says it is the offspring of King Minos, who was cursed, who also happened to have the Bull as his heraldric symbol. From the curse, his son and heir to the throne, who is called the Taur (rather than a prince), became a monster. What would you call the son (Taur) of King Minos after all? Thus why there was the Maze under the city where the King sacrificed townsfolk to feed his cursed son. YMMV
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This is the gift that keeps on giving.
Entirely aside from the Lamashtu angle (DO IT), you also suddenly have an Axe Beak with a romantic attraction to one of your characters.
Some how, some way, that bird needs to be Awakened some time down the road.
Imagine this: the players have moved on. The Lamashtu thing is resolved (or ongoing but quiet for now). They're on the next mission. The druid is being attacked by some baddy, when suddenly the Axe Beak bursts onto the scene screaming (in common, no less) "you shall not hurt my mate!!"
Cool thing, right? So the Druid picks up a new pet...
...except that every time the players want to do something, the bird interferes in the most comedic way possible. It makes snarky comments during delicate PC interactions. It squawks love songs during their stealth attempts. And every night while the PCs are trying to rest, the bird tries to get Romantic with her mate. It quickly becomes both the party clown and the most Annoying Pet Ever.
If you do it with enough comedic flair, the group will be talking about "The Axe Beak Incident" for years to come.
EVEN BETTER!
A kind druid funds the Axe Beak with enough gold for him to find an Alchemist and PERMANENTLY make the bird into a humanoid were-like creature!Then the bird has his way with the druid.
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This is the gift that keeps on giving.
Entirely aside from the Lamashtu angle (DO IT), you also suddenly have an Axe Beak with a romantic attraction to one of your characters.
Some how, some way, that bird needs to be Awakened some time down the road.
Imagine this: the players have moved on. The Lamashtu thing is resolved (or ongoing but quiet for now). They're on the next mission. The druid is being attacked by some baddy, when suddenly the Axe Beak bursts onto the scene screaming (in common, no less) "you shall not hurt my mate!!"
Cool thing, right? So the Druid picks up a new pet...
...except that every time the players want to do something, the bird interferes in the most comedic way possible. It makes snarky comments during delicate PC interactions. It squawks love songs during their stealth attempts. And every night while the PCs are trying to rest, the bird tries to get Romantic with her mate. It quickly becomes both the party clown and the most Annoying Pet Ever.
If you do it with enough comedic flair, the group will be talking about "The Axe Beak Incident" for years to come.
EVEN BETTER!
A kind druid funds the Axe Beak with enough gold for him to find an Alchemist and PERMANENTLY make the bird into a humanoid were-like creature!Then the bird has his way with the druid.
Still a better love story than twilight.
Oh, lovestruck psycho shapeshifting bird companion for the win!
As to the children? I could totally see the Druid "fathering" the Tengu race into this campaign world.
What about the Anthropomorphic Animal spell?
Throw that, and the Demon Mother's Mask, together for real fun.
Yep.
We just hit upon all sorts of furry fun.
This is a great idea and I'm excited to be a part of it.
You know, given that this subject has been done repeatedly in fiction it amazes me that it hasn't come up here before now.
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What about the Anthropomorphic Animal spell?
Throw that, and the Demon Mother's Mask, together for real fun.
Yep.
We just hit upon all sorts of furry fun.
That's why I suggested the Alchemist above. An archetype can apply that spell permanently with SCIENCE!
There's a mushroom/fungus monster with female body. Like a centaur, but instead of horse, it's a mushroom.
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I support this guy.
Let him do it...but make him roleplay it with you...in front of everyone.
As he describes what he's doing, just keep shouting "WARK", and make him make eye contact with you the entire time. If he looks away, shout "LOOK ME IN THE EYE" with a serious face.
Also: this.
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....really? You think the writers of spells would think to specify by RAW about whether or not you could f*uck animals? Not sure if srs.I think that a spell or ability by RAW should specify all that it does. If it is not listed, the person that developed the ability originally in the fictional universe (and the designers in the real world) have not included the possibility. So, you have the form, but you are a humanoid yet.
Probably, during the use of wild shape, it's possible to fertilizer a humanoid, because all things that leave your body should return to the original race at last in the ability end.
And:
Polymorph subschool: a polymorph spell transforms your physical body to take on the shape of another creature. While these spells make you appear to be the creature, granting you a +10 bonus on Disguise skill checks, they do not grant you all of the abilities and powers of the creature. Each polymorph spell allows you to assume the form of a creature of a specific type, granting you a number of bonuses to your ability scores and a bonus to your natural armor. In addition, each polymorph spell can grant you a number of other benefits, including movement types, resistances, and senses. If the form you choose grants these benefits, or a greater ability of the same type, you gain the listed benefit.As the ability doesn't list the reproduction benefits, so by RAW you don't have it.
it does list that you get the natural attacks of the form. that would just be another natural attack, so it should apply.
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I would look the person in the eye and with the most disappointed look I can muster I would simply say "Dude." Shake my head and walk away.
If the player persisted, I can assure you the table would call him interesting nicknames for the next 5 to 10 years involving various bird rape jokes.
Visual aids would undoubtedly come into play.
Last week, I was playing a dwarf inquisitor and in an effort to hide a child from bandits seeking him I innocently said I wanted the boy (who was half naked at the time) to "Follow me into the darkness"
My logic being I have darkvision and the bandits didn't.
Dwarven pedophile jokes for the next hour, and I fear for the remainder of the campaign.
*sigh*
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Aye, there would always be a box of Peeps on the table.
I support this guy.
Let him do it...but make him roleplay it with you...in front of everyone.
As he describes what he's doing, just keep shouting "WARK", and make him make eye contact with you the entire time. If he looks away, shout "LOOK ME IN THE EYE" with a serious face.
Also: this.
You're awesome.
I would look the person in the eye and with the most disappointed look I can muster I would simply say "Dude." Shake my head and walk away.
If the player persisted, I can assure you the table would call him interesting nicknames for the next 5 to 10 years involving various bird rape jokes.
Visual aids would undoubtedly come into play.
Last week, I was playing a dwarf inquisitor and in an effort to hide a child from bandits seeking him I innocently said I wanted the boy (who was half naked at the time) to "Follow me into the darkness"
My logic being I have darkvision and the bandits didn't.
Dwarven pedophile jokes for the next hour, and I fear for the remainder of the campaign.
*sigh*
You must have missed where this guy is now called "Chicken****er" now.
If he goes through with it, every time he eats chicken or eggs, just look at him and ask "How could you, that could be related to you."
have the offspring turn out to be a vrock demon lol
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I support this guy.
Let him do it...but make him roleplay it with you...in front of everyone.
As he describes what he's doing, just keep shouting "WARK", and make him make eye contact with you the entire time. If he looks away, shout "LOOK ME IN THE EYE" with a serious face.
Also: this.
You should feel awesome because you are awesome.
All i have to say to the whole "actual genetic makeup would be incompatible" is half-dragons, Centaur, Minotaur and those dark elf spider centaur things. If the genetic make up does not work y did it with those examples?
It's very odd to presume that this is how these things come about as a general rule, and in the case of driders, it's absolutely untrue. They are drow who have undergone a torturous magical transformation, which is described in fairly good detail in various sources. The Golarion version even has specific mechanics laid out.
Getting back to the original question though, I'd just stare long and hard at the player asking, and if he really pressed the issue, point out that he is expressing a desire for his character to father children specifically to sell into slavery or as food. I can't really see that being in character for anyone.
Past THAT, it's his character, the argument can be made that you can't stop him from trying (besides the honestly fairly solid argument that this is clearly CE behavior and that sort of alignment shift would cost him the use of wildshape), but even under normal circumstances, not all breeding attempts are successful.
Whatever you do... do not suggest the Druid simply goes to where-ever he got the Axebeak in the first place, and get another one. It'd be such an anti-climax.
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GM to player: "You've successfully bred with your axebeak. Here's your offspring.
GM to player: "You've successfully bred with your axebeak. Here's your offspring.
Well played, Sir. Well played.
Instead of bandying about sexual fears and loophole phobia here are two more rational thoughts:
First, a moral one: The product in question is for all intents and purposes the druid's child, and selling one's own offspring into slavery without need and in a rational calculation of economic profit is a good paradigm case for evil.
Second, a practical one: Breeding and raising livestock is made no less a full-time occupation by taking on the role of breeding bull oneself and hence certainly not compatible with another full time occupation, much less one requiring constant mobility, such as adventuring.
For a pragmatic answer I'd go with:
Axe beaks are relatively social creatures, forming small
groups in which both males and females hunt together. They
nest in immense mounds made of sticks, branches, leaves,
and whatever else they can scavenge (including the bones
and equipment of previous meals), with each nest used by
a large group of axe beaks. Females typically lay clutches
of 1d4+1 eggs once per year, which the parents take turns
keeping warm for 2 months. At the end of this period, the
axe beaks break hatchlings out of their shells. These
young are fed by their parents for 2 more months
before they begin hunting on their own.
He'll have to give up adventuring for four months or the eggs won't hatch and the hatchlings won't survive.
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For the funniest roleplaying answer ever I'm +1 on the awakened jealous psycho-stalker axebeak babymama. Funniest. Roleplay. Ever.
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I have a druid in my group with an Axe Beak. After finding out how much baby Axe Beaks are worth, He asked if he could use Wild Shape to turn into an Axe Beak to fertilize the eggs. I really don't know what to say and Paizo doesn't cover this.
Dang, I laughed reading this thread. The furries are going to have a hoot! They will all want to play in your game so that they can use wildshape to sex their companions. Really smart [ sarc ], really funny.
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Actually, according to the PF bestiary (if I remember correctly), MOST half-dragons are made out of experimentation.Uhhh i'm pretty sure out of those 4 only Half-Dragons are the result of breeding with other species.All i have to say to the whole "actual genetic makeup would be incompatible" is half-dragons, Centaur, Minotaur and those dark elf spider centaur things. If the genetic make up does not work y did it with those examples?I could see the argument that he is not truly genetically a bird so his actual genetic makeup would be incompatible to reproduce with a bird...however I see no reason he couldn't tap that bird ass. You could either let him know it isn't possible or let him bang birds so many times before he figures it out himself.
And thus he earns his true nickname: Chickenf*ucker the Bold.
from the bestiary: Half-dragons are only rarely the result of dragons mating
with other creatures—most are the result of strangemagical experiments. In most cases, a successful
creation breeds true with others of its kind, as with
the dreaded dracolisk.
Rarely being the operative word.
He can't by RAW. The wild shape allows to assume the form, and not the type or any other functions or abilities, besides "climb 30 feet, fly 30 feet (average maneuverability), swim 30 feet, darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, and scent." If you should have the ability to fertilizer females of the specimen, the spell text should specify this.
But don't tell him this. Instead have him try repeatedly, and every time, you roll a dice, and have him wait a month before he learns that this time wasn't succesful either.
Make sure the party learns in character what he does. After a lot of tries, let one of the others in the group inform him of his inability to impregnate an animal by fornicating with it.
Spend the next ten years having fun of Beak-Lover IRL.
an idea for the lamashtu side: i'd say let him (provided he can properly keep the eggs warm and such), and instead of a town priest or something have an augury that he'd sell his children into slavery, have someone from lamashtu's clergy try and initiate him after receiving word from their dark mistress. or have them try to kidnap the eggs so they can see what comes out when they hatch.
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"That Cleric of Lamashtu stole my eggs!"
(Party Member) "He kidnapped your kids? How horrible!"
"Yeah! Those kids were worth some major cash. He stole my meal ticket!"
(Party Member) "I... can't decide who the villain is, here."
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GM to player: "You've successfully bred with your axebeak. Here's your offspring.
Really? Cause I was thinking more along the lines of This
first are you playing in Alaska if so i may know the guy
if not we had a player who was male with a female character druid with a snow fox male. he then would wild shape in to a female snow fox and let his pet climb on and have his fun...
i wish this was all he did but one game he was a cleric male we left him with two teenage male hostages.
the party left with him keeping an eye on them. then we came back to a scene that involved a pound of butter the two boys and him right in the middle of things... leave to your minds...
needless to say all 8 of us other players agreed to kill his character on the spot no questions were asked
i do not play with this group any more