Rappan Athuk

[Skeeter Green]

Erik Freund wrote:

Does anybody understand how to use the Mazes pieces on level 6? (Rooms marked as 6-2)

page 247 wrote:

All shifting/sliding walls move every time a door is opened. The doors are magically constructed, so only one door per room may be opened at a time. GMs should intentionally give PCs wrong directions (i.e., left = right) at all times, unless the PCs succeed on a DC 30 Knowledge (dungeoneering) on which they cannot take 20. GMs should improvise or alter each section to frustrate and bewilder their PCs. PCs’ attempts to retrace their steps prove futile, and the shifting nature of the maze prohibits classical means of maze solving (e.g., string).

Which walls slide/shift? All of them? Then is this even a "maze" that could be solved? Am I supposed to draw this out for my players, or just keep it verbal-only? I don't know how to GM this.

Then the maps are just pictures of maps. Well, pictures with icons that don't have a legend. What do the bullseyes on Map 1 indicate? The 90' circles on Map 2? The "triggers" on Map 2?

I'm at a loss...

don't let the tone of this query deceive you: I'm loving the rest of this book. GREAT stuff in general

The bullseyes are teleporters to the other bullseyes (take your pick). The walls that shift are the 90 and 180 degree circles, and they shift when you enter, when you leave, and when you pass over a trigger spot.

SG

[Bill Webb]

kenmckinney wrote:

The maze section IMO has always been the weakest portion of Rappan Athuk, along with Greznek, which feels underdeveloped relative to the rest of the dungeon. My suggestion would be to repurpose the procedural table in the Bloodways section, using it there as well. Or actually my recollection is that the Bloodways were a drop in replacement for the maze section in Rappan Athuk reloaded; is this still the case?

Ken

Naw; I use themazes as random mind messes; the idea is they are ever changing. The bloodways is similar--but far more complex. good idea though!

Greznek is a tough one--it could probably be its own hardcover if expanded fully. Maybe "Adventures in Greznek" will be part of the subscription later on:)

[Necromancer]

Necromancer wrote:

Chuck Wright wrote:

Necromancer wrote:

My group's lost six characters above the actual dungeon, would those count?

Those are the best ones.

laces fingers

They now have a week to properly list their characters and detail their demise. Failure to do so will result in my colorful account of that character's death.

I see that none of my players have posted their characters on the obituaries page, so here goes:

1st Level-
- Aivras, female human Antipaladin of Hel
- Nurgal, male human Summoner
- Alice, female catfolk Rogue
- Vaara Bloodhands, female aasimar Witch

The party ran afoul of the cavalry patrol shortly after entering the region...:

...and immediately resisted arrest. Nurgal and Alice were quickly trampled, while Vaara lost her lunch thanks to a particularly rude lance. Aivras was captured and eventually hung from a rope until the twitching stopped.

- Huruthmhr, female tiefling Magus

The party stumbled upon a large goblin ambush...:

...and found diplomacy to be a weak weapon. The party opted to retreat, but Huruthmhr refused to leave her "future slaves" to their own devices. The tiefling attempted to cow her sixteen soon-to-be subjects into submission and was beaten within an inch of her life. Huruthmhr never saw her companions again, yet her fiendish longevity (and selective amputations) provided years of amusement for the goblin outpost far below.

- McBrackenschtagacht, male dwarf Gunslinger

The intrepid heroes intercepted an ogre and his kobolds...:

...in a valiant attempt to rescue a traveling merchant's bodyguard/wife. McBrackenschtagacht readied his rifle, took aim, and promptly blew his face and beard off thanks to an unfortunate critical misfire.

The other "deaths" were mostly game-overs and too lengthy to delve into. Eventually the group's final party (two tieflings, a human, and a gnome--all thoroughly evil) decided to settle down with a tribe of goblins and take the odd "kill the noisy and dangerous heroes on levelX" jobs. And they all lived wickedly ever after.

Although completely burnt out on the megadungeon, they enjoyed the change of pace.

[Steve Geddes]

Bill Webb wrote:

Maybe "Adventures in Greznek" will be part of the subscription later on:)

Excellent idea. I, for one, would be delighted if some component of the subscription was devoted to fleshing out current levels (in addition to new sublevels/expansions).

[Skeeter Green]

Just to keep you guys in the loop:

I didn't hear any new good word on the dice showing up at the Frog Palace this weekend, so no more news there.

If things go well (we had a setback or two the last few days), HeroLab and d20 Pro files will be available in October. Preferably, earlier rather than later. We are in deep discussions with both groups, as some of our files are not compatible with the underlying code, so we/they have had to literally recode certain things for our content to work.

Long and short of it is that the guys from Lone Wolf/HeroLab and d20 Pro have gone way above and beyond while working with us to get you guys the best content available.

And I would consider it a disservice to Frog God and to LW and d20 Pro to release the files before they're ready. I'm not shining you guys on, I want the files to work with a minimum of bugs (and when I say minimum, I mean none).

So bear with us, Im going to try and get the files out in a serialized fashion, so when they are available and solid, you'll get them in order needed (you dont have to wait for level 12 to be done be fore getting level 1!)

Hope you all had a good weekend!

SG

[Peanuts]

So just got the email about the Cyclopean Deeps subscriptions...

Is the 1 year subscription the same as the 12 new levels subscription? If so do you still get a PDF of the finished book? I've already got CD 1&2 from the kickstarter, but if the limited quality offer is $25 cheaper than the equivalent without the books then I'm sure I can find someone to pawn the spares off on :)

[Bill Webb]

Everything here but the damn dice--as soon as they arrive, we start shipping. I have it all organized and I think we can get 100 or so boxes packed each day. lol; we have to--both warehouses are overflowing and my guest house currently has about 40 boxes in it as well.

[Bill Webb]

ps--if you already have the books coming from the kickstarter--buy the option without the books.

The CD series will be a 2 year deal

[Peanuts]

Ahh excellent, so the year subscription is equivalent to the 6 new levels option then :) Thanks Bill! Heh, wow that's a lot of stuff.

[Lord Thasmudyan]

when is the subscription kicking off? broke with all the great kickstarters going on over the last couple of months

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Bill Webb wrote:

Everything here but the damn dice--as soon as they arrive, we start shipping.

Bill, I'm curious how many takers you'd get if you offered up the option of 'send me an email if you're really not interested in the dice, and just want me to ship your box without them.'

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I'd take you up on that if it was offered. Heck you can give my dice to a needy neighborhood kid; I only play in an online game through a Virtual Table Top (d20Pro)..

[Elorebaen]

Bill Webb wrote:

ps--if you already have the books coming from the kickstarter--buy the option without the books.

The CD series will be a 2 year deal

My apologies if this has already been answered. I'm still not quite clear on the subscription. The option to obtain all of CD=?? 12 new levels = two years of subscription?

I want to obtain the complete CD, and I currently have the PDFs of CD1 and CD2 from Kickstarter. Which option should I choose?

Thanks!!!

[Bill Webb]

Fever--that would be unbelieveably confusing on our end

[Steve Geddes]

Does 'everything' include the genuine leather covers? I'd kind of prepared myself to have to wait longer for those - it will be a pleasant surprise if they're done at the same time as the faux-leather ones. :)

[dmchucky69]

Quick question. Do the FGG PDFs work like Paizo PDFs? In other words do we have infinite access to them if we pledged high enough to get them in the first place ($100 level for me)?

Or is it a limited time access to download links?

If so, how long are they available???

Thanks.

[Macharius]

dmchucky69 wrote:

Quick question. Do the FGG PDFs work like Paizo PDFs? In other words do we have infinite access to them if we pledged high enough to get them in the first place ($100 level for me)?

Or is it a limited time access to download links?

If so, how long are they available???

Thanks.

Has the hosted PDF been updated for some of the suggested changes/fixes discussed earlier in the thread? Particularly the Pathfinder version's nested bookmarks issue.

[Arnwyn]

I saw something at FGG about "expansions" for Rappan Athuk, including:

- Cyclopean Deeps (more a spinoff than expansion) - 12 levels
- "6 new levels"

Both of these have a "subscription" that gets you the PDFs (as they come out, I suppose) and then the final print book of them all in the end. (Is this correct?)

Now, my question:

Will these ever be available as PDF-only? Or does one HAVE to subscribe to get these products? (I don't mind print, but these days the shipping costs are becoming a bit of a pain.)

Thanks for anyone who can help!

[TriOmegaZero]

dmchucky69 wrote:

Quick question. Do the FGG PDFs work like Paizo PDFs? In other words do we have infinite access to them if we pledged high enough to get them in the first place ($100 level for me)?

Or is it a limited time access to download links?

If so, how long are they available???

Thanks.

I believe my Slumbering Tsar download links are still active, so if the do expire they at least last a few months.

[Bill Webb]

Steve--yes--leathers are here--and about 1/2 of them hav ethe custom illos done already. McFann is coming over next week to complete them.

[Steve Geddes]

Bill Webb wrote:

Steve--yes--leathers are here--and about 1/2 of them hav ethe custom illos done already. McFann is coming over next week to complete them.

That's fantastic news. (On my birthday, no less. Thanks!)

:)

[Bill Webb]

arnwyn

pdfs only for a year--then a hardcover compilation at the end

[Arnwyn]

Bill Webb wrote:

arnwyn

pdfs only for a year--then a hardcover compilation at the end

Thanks for the reply!

Will there ever be an option to just get the PDFs and not the hardcover? (And do so without subscribing?)

[Bill Webb]

good idea--sure--gimme a few days

[Elorebaen]

Bill,

I want to obtain the complete CD (PDFs+Final Book), and I currently have the PDFs of CD1 and CD2 from Kickstarter. Which option should I choose?

Thanks!

[Bill Webb]

get the complete--the onoly difference is you (and only like 499 others) will have hardcopies of the limited 1-2

[TownsendABQ]

I currently have the $250 pledge from the Kickstarter and added the $50 RA subscription to it. Which options should I order to get the complete CD (PDFs and book)

[bigkilla]

Hang Chessex!!!

[Peanuts]

Man, that sucks... Poor Bill and his house full of books :s

[Bill Webb]

Townsend--just order the regular CD order (You already get the limited softcovers of 1-2)

[Kamelion]

Bill, is there a deadline on the CD order? At what point will the subscription become unavailable?

[Endzeitgeist]

I'd like to know that, too, since I can't afford either subscription at the moment.

[Elorebaen]

Bill Webb wrote:

get the complete--the onoly difference is you (and only like 499 others) will have hardcopies of the limited 1-2

Thanks for the info.

[messy]

i'm a little late to this party, so apologies for the question: how do i order the pdf of the complete adventure with all levels?

[Skeeter Green]

messy wrote:

i'm a little late to this party, so apologies for the question: how do i order the pdf of the complete adventure with all levels?

Rappan Athuk

Minus level 7B, of course.

SG

[Brian E. Harris]

Are there two different subscriptions? One for RA, and one for CD?

[Bill Webb]

yes Brian

[Brian E. Harris]

Doh. OK, so, I need to get subscribed to the one I don't have, apparently.

Per my invoice:

1 RA Subscription PF

So, I need to get myself a 1 CD Subscription PF, I suppose?

Would that be one of these:

Cyclopean Deeps Subscription for 6 new levels
Pathfinder (PDF + Final Print Book)
$59.99 plus future shipping costs

or

Cyclopean Deeps Subscription for 12 new levels
Pathfinder (PDF + Final Print Book)
$99.99 plus future shipping costs

I guess, then, I'll ask the same question as Kamelion/Endzeitgeist: What's the cutoff for subscribing?

[Dragnmoon]

Similar question...

So the Backers RA got the first 2 parts of CD in a how many Parts Adventure?

Is it a 12 part Adventure which will be put together in one book in the end similar to The Slumbering Tsar Saga?

[Bill Webb]

Dragn--yes. Its the deep "underdark" under RA

[Bill Webb]

Ps--the reason we are not shipping without the dice is simple. It would cost us about $6k in extra shipping.

Chessex is likely not going to be our supplier anymore after this—believe me, I am far more angry than any of you guys—I actually have like 50 boxes stacked in my house right now because we are overfull in the warehouses (2). I do have 6 extra folks lined up to start shipping as soon as the dice arrive—we will bang the boxes out pretty rapidly once we get everything.

[Grimmy]

I'm looking for advice about running this. I bought the print+pdf bundle on here so I have none of the kickstarter schwag. I'm running it for a group that meets kind of irregularly or at least infrequently. They surprised me and wanted to start owner then I thought so I had to do my best without having read much of it. I saw that the pregens had stats at 1st and at 6th level so I told them to decide if they wanted to head for the mouth of doom with a first level party or just start with a 6th level party and go anywhere.

They rolled up a 6th level party, one of them used the pregen ranger.

Im a little overwhelmed navigating the pdf with not enough prep so I'm interested in any stories about how people have run this.

[Chaotic_Blues]

Grimmy wrote:

I'm looking for advice about running this. I bought the print+pdf bundle on here so I have none of the kickstarter schwag. I'm running it for a group that meets kind of irregularly or at least infrequently. They surprised me and wanted to start owner then I thought so I had to do my best without having read much of it. I saw that the pregens had stats at 1st and at 6th level so I told them to decide if they wanted to head for the mouth of doom with a first level party or just start with a 6th level party and go anywhere.

They rolled up a 6th level party, one of them used the pregen ranger.

Im a little overwhelmed navigating the pdf with not enough prep so I'm interested in any stories about how people have run this.

Perhaps this may help you.

[Grimmy]

Thanks, it does. I used the necro boards a lot when I was prepping for slumbering tsar. Some of the fan-created maps and stuff helped a lot at the time, especially a hgex map of the desolation that I couldn't have lived without.

I had trouble running the wilderness outside RA with just the map in the pdf. For example,

Spoiler:

Area 16: The Giant Spider Colony. The trigger for the event is supposed to be a wrecked wagon on the coast road. After clearing the spider colony the notes say to carry merchant survivors 400 yards back to the wagon. Looking at the map, the location of the spider colony looks to be at least 30 miles from the road as the crow flies.

Little things like that left me regretting trying to run this with so little prep.

[Grimmy]

I just picked up the additional supplements and they were just what I needed. Now Im really pumped to run this beast.

[Matthew Morris]

I'm in the same land of confusion as Brian unfortunately.

[danielc]

I wish I had known about this before today. This seems like a great product.

[Bill Webb]

passswords is "Zelkor" for RA 1 supplements, feel free to post the other 2--think RA 3 is "Orcus". Cannot recall off the top of my head what RA password is--think its the spider queen's (level 6A) name. The R247 puzzle update is also not in my current frontal lobe, but its the vampire's name from Module D-3 area R2-47

[Bill Webb]

and Daniel--it will be for sale soon

[Brutal Ben]

Bill Webb wrote:

arnwyn

pdfs only for a year--then a hardcover compilation at the end

Will the two softcover books be integrated into the hard-cover, or am I going to need to consult the softcovers also when GMing CD?

[KTFish7]

Dr. Johnny Fever wrote:

Bill Webb wrote:

Everything here but the damn dice--as soon as they arrive, we start shipping.

Bill, I'm curious how many takers you'd get if you offered up the option of 'send me an email if you're really not interested in the dice, and just want me to ship your box without them.'

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I'd take you up on that if it was offered. Heck you can give my dice to a needy neighborhood kid; I only play in an online game through a Virtual Table Top (d20Pro)..

Bill, I'll happily take any and all dice nobody wants! lol

The hangup with Chessex sucks but I am more than happy to wait it out...sucks your house is full of boxes though...ah well, lessons for the next Kickstarter....