Abomination... Creature from the Black Lagoon meets Hulk... one of my fave villans from childhood and to kill him off and replace him with... (shakes head) A-Bomb speaks volumes... sad day.
8th Dwarf also got me thinking... Wulf Sternhammer! Ja old cucumber!
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Maybe not Dead but...
The Micronauts
Adam Warlock and the Infinity Watch
The New Warriors
Great Books in the day, would be nice to see relaunched.
Weren't the Hellions all executed and absorbed en masse by Shinobi, the wannabe new Black king? I remember that as one of the more revolting scenes in Marvel history...
It was Trevor Fitzroy.
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NEW WARRIORS 4 LIFE!!
The problem is New Warriors needs to be relaunched correctly, not as some odd depowered mutants book. Man, was that series painful to read. (Especially when you had Slott doing a great story with the New Warriors in his Avengers Initiative title).
The problem is New Warriors needs to be relaunched correctly, not as some odd depowered mutants book. Man, was that series painful to read. (Especially when you had Slott doing a great story with the New Warriors in his Avengers Initiative title).
I liked that run if only for the inventiveness and body count. These were the bush leagues, and people died as a result.
I would have been OK with the concept of the book, but it didn't have anything to do with the New Warriors. It was just really random. (And you'd think it would have been coming out of House of M, not Civil War.)
The bigger problem, though, was Grevioux just didn't make any of the characters interesting. I read every book (I'm a New Warriors completist) and I still couldn't tell you the characters' names, their original names, nor most of their personalities or powers (other than Jubilee, Chamber and the wind girl from DeFlippis and Weir's version of New Mutants).
DC: Ted Kord. I never could get behind the new Blue Beetle, though he's kinda okay in Young Justice, I suppose.
Marvel: Ultimate Peter Parker. It stopped me from reading any more of the Ultimate line. Though his last words were very moving for me.
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DC: Ted Kord. I never could get behind the new Blue Beetle, though he's kinda okay in Young Justice, I suppose.
Marvel: Ultimate Peter Parker. It stopped me from reading any more of the Ultimate line. Though his last words were very moving for me.
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DC: Ted Kord. I never could get behind the new Blue Beetle, though he's kinda okay in Young Justice, I suppose.
Marvel: Ultimate Peter Parker. It stopped me from reading any more of the Ultimate line. Though his last words were very moving for me.
Young Justice speculative spoilers
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More speculative spoilers:
"This tactic would be more effective if you shot through their bones." That is not Ted Kord speaking, no sir.
I miss marvel having a editor...you know someone to say say "Hey how can wolverine be here, here, and umm really here too!?" I'm waiting for marvel to tell us that wolverine's second mutation was the ability to take pieces of his hair and create copies. =/ Actually I miss the old wolverine, not the "Hey I know my past!" one. I miss Ben Reilly too, Honestly the way they "fixed" it was just ridiculous and I stopped reading main stream Spider man...only to get into ultimate...until they killed peter...sigh. I miss the X-men, not the ones claiming they are homo-superior but people...magneto was the one calling mutants homo-superior (I dumped X-men like a bad habit after Cyclops said that) Really miss Jean Grey maybe she could smack everyone around and set things right :P
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You guys are making me feel sad. :(
I miss my 70's/80's X-Men backissues too. I remember reading them in the 90's and generally enjoying them much more than what was coming out for them at the time.
I gave up on Marvel and DC entirely several years ago because it just felt like nothing good ever seemed to have a chance of lasting. Having most of your favorite characters be B/C-listers didn't help either.
I didn't even get to read the Overkill event. They didn't need to reboot in an alternate reality. They could have just left all those avengers and Fantastic Four dead and X-men holding the basket of blame for the loss of the Worlds greatest heroes...
I have a copy of X-men 143 - Its the issue with Kitty Pride alone in the Manor on Christmas when a N'garai (Elder Beings who ruled an ancient Earth but were imprisoned in another dimension) crawls from the obelisk rubble in the park, breaches the Mansion, and tries to rip Kitty a new one. Hell I even scanned it and made a PDF of it in case my only copy is destroyed.
I miss the N'garai. in proto-indoeuropean its ng-ar-ai - a tale to be pieced together.
I have 3 copies of it.
I have a copy of X-men 143 - Its the issue with Kitty Pride alone in the Manor on Christmas when a N'garai (Elder Beings who ruled an ancient Earth but were imprisoned in another dimension) crawls from the obelisk rubble in the park, breaches the Mansion, and tries to rip Kitty a new one. Hell I even scanned it and made a PDF of it in case my only copy is destroyed.
I miss the N'garai. in proto-indoeuropean its ng-ar-ai - a tale to be pieced together.
IIRC, the N'garai just showed up again. I'm blanking on the issue, but I think it was either Christos Gage (one of Marvel's best writers right now) in Astonishing X-Men or X-Men Legacy or possibly Jason Aaron in Wolverine and the X-Men. Maybe it was a .1 issue? It was a one shot, that honestly I didn't think was that memorable.
I have a copy of X-men 143 - Its the issue with Kitty Pride alone in the Manor on Christmas when a N'garai (Elder Beings who ruled an ancient Earth but were imprisoned in another dimension) crawls from the obelisk rubble in the park, breaches the Mansion, and tries to rip Kitty a new one. Hell I even scanned it and made a PDF of it in case my only copy is destroyed.
Ah the ALIEN rip off / homage issue.
That's actually one of my favorite X-Men issues from the Claremont/Byrne/Austin run.
EDIT: Yes I know the N'garai appeared before ALIEN in 1979, but did the orignal creature resemble Giger's xenomorph THAT much? Also, the way Kitty finally dipatches the creature?
The pre-Ultimatum Ultimate universe. It seems that Ultimatum came and everybody lost their minds and killed each other. Stopped reading most comics after that. Stopped reading pretty much all comics after the Skrull Invasion. Never really got into DC other than the occasional Batman arc.
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I miss my favourite hero, Nightcrawler/Kurt Wagner. Not this imposter they have from the Age of Apocalypse.
Add me to the list of people who miss the entire DCU.
Me, too. I stopped reading DC as a result of the reboot, and I stopped reading Marvel as a result of Civil War.
Val Armorr - Karate Kid from the Legion of Superheroes.
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Civil war was a bloody travesty. They take one of the most classic X-men plots, dealt with in 1986, I believe, as the "current era" part of the "days of nightmare past" storyline. The registration of mutants. It was painted as the central issue for whether there would be tyranny or freedom if the mutant registration act passed. Then they make it far more encompassing, in that EVERYONE with superpowers needs to be registered, not just mutants, and simply plop it down into a mega event. Then they tear both Tony Stark and Peter Parker to shreds, let the X-men sit on their butts, let the pro-registration side imprison people without trials, indefinitely, WITH torture, in a negative zone prison - AND have the guts to tell us that "there isn't a right side"???
And... afterward, things remain virtually unchanged. Apart from a few comments about registration in Brand New Day, I really don't see the difference.
Yeah, it soured me on Marvel, could you tell? It's about as pitiful as something like that could be done.
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Artemis.
I just...I don't even have the words.
Is probably a good start.
Civil war was a bloody travesty. They take one of the most classic X-men plots, dealt with in 1986, I believe, as the "current era" part of the "days of nightmare past" storyline. The registration of mutants. It was painted as the central issue for whether there would be tyranny or freedom if the mutant registration act passed. Then they make it far more encompassing, in that EVERYONE with superpowers needs to be registered, not just mutants, and simply plop it down into a mega event. Then they tear both Tony Stark and Peter Parker to shreds, let the X-men sit on their butts, let the pro-registration side imprison people without trials, indefinitely, WITH torture, in a negative zone prison - AND have the guts to tell us that "there isn't a right side"???
And... afterward, things remain virtually unchanged. Apart from a few comments about registration in Brand New Day, I really don't see the difference.
Yeah, it soured me on Marvel, could you tell? It's about as pitiful as something like that could be done.
After Civil War I read the Skrull invasion books in hopes that Tony Stark and Reed Richards would be revealed to be Skrull impostors. No such luck.
Civil war was a bloody travesty. They take one of the most classic X-men plots, dealt with in 1986, I believe, as the "current era" part of the "days of nightmare past" storyline. The registration of mutants. It was painted as the central issue for whether there would be tyranny or freedom if the mutant registration act passed. Then they make it far more encompassing, in that EVERYONE with superpowers needs to be registered, not just mutants, and simply plop it down into a mega event. Then they tear both Tony Stark and Peter Parker to shreds, let the X-men sit on their butts, let the pro-registration side imprison people without trials, indefinitely, WITH torture, in a negative zone prison - AND have the guts to tell us that "there isn't a right side"???
And... afterward, things remain virtually unchanged. Apart from a few comments about registration in Brand New Day, I really don't see the difference.
Yeah, it soured me on Marvel, could you tell? It's about as pitiful as something like that could be done.
This.
The whole 'there's no right side' had me INSTANTLY thinking "Really? There was in the 80's...."
My BIGGEST issue with that story was that the writers didn't know what they were doing. It was like 5 or 6 writers that didn't communicate exactly WHAT the registration actually MEANT. Some people claimed you could 'retire'... some claimed that you were instantly drafted into SHIELD... there was no consistency anywhere. Least of all in the characters motivations and personalities....
The PREMISE wasn't new... or even 'bad'... but the execution was a travesty.
I miss my favourite hero, Nightcrawler/Kurt Wagner. Not this imposter they have from the Age of Apocalypse.
Speaking of Nightcrawler...I miss my team as well, Excalibur! (Nightcrawler, Shadowcat, Captain Britian, Megan, Phoenix, Lockheed, and Widget)
And on another note: I agree with the Civil War storyline...I liked the thought of it, and that that it would make for an interesting read, but as previous people have said, it was executed wrong, and in the end, nothing seemed to change. I too read the Skrull Invasion arc, hoping that some of the heroes were Skrulls and that it would explain some of the oddness going on. *shrug*
S.... Sakido...
T T
(Slightly damned.)
I miss Morpheus from The Sandman. But the Excalibur group I miss too. What the serious hell have they done to Nightcrawler?
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Ultimate Peter Parker, of course.
I miss Whedon's Astonishing X-men,excellent characterization(especially cyclops),consistent art, a solid story and witty dialogs!!!Whedon did give Scott his most awesome moment on the page.
"To me, my X-Men"
Mine was
Wolverine "Sometimes I forget why you are the leader" and the art there was fantastic.
Ultimate Peter Parker, of course.
I love Miles, but yeah, I agree with that.
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I miss Whedon's Astonishing X-men,excellent characterization(especially cyclops),consistent art, a solid story and witty dialogs!!!Whedon did give Scott his most awesome moment on the page.
"To me, my X-Men"
You guys have made me want to read Whedon's X-Men!
What trade paperbacks (or whatever the current terminology is) should I get?
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Astonishing X-Men volumes 1-4 by Whedon and Cassaday. (or Ultimate Editions One and Two)
Warren Ellis takes over at volume 5.
Cheers!
Are the Ultimate Editions the same story as the Astonishing X-Men volumes, or is one story from the Ultimates universe and the other from the main universe?
Are the Ellis stories any good? I usually like his stuff.
I am one of those nutters that liked Vriska. She was nasty, but I enjoyed the character.Same here. At least she hasn't let a little thing like being dead slow her down though.
I miss Jei from Usagi Yojimbo. He was a hell of a villain.
I would also say I was upset about Nico Minoru, but
A: She got better (two issues later)
and
B: I knew she would :)
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This is why I'm glad that Stephanie, Wally, and Donna are in limbo.Artemis.
I just...I don't even have the words.
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Is probably a good start.
This isn't Artemis of Bana-Mighdall, is it? (I have no idea what's going on in the DCU right now outside of The Movement). She wasn't cartoon-original (she was introduced in the comics in the 90s) but it wouldn't surprise me if DC reintroduced her into the nDCU only to kill her off.
On the other hand, if it IS Artemis of Bana-Mighdall, they could just be re-setting her up for the Requiem story again, without the bad 90s comic book art (Artemis becomes a queen of hell, and then digs herself out of her own grave. Fun times). But that could potentially be awesome, so they probably won't do it.
In other news...
I also mourn Helena Bertinelli. A truly amazing character (READ her original monthly if you ever get an opportunity) retconned into an alias for an alternate universe character I never found very interesting (and yes, Helena Wayne was my first Huntress from my childhood, I liked her, but I still liked Bertinelli eons better. I also don't know why they can't both exist since, you know, different backgrounds and all). I ALMOST started picking up some DCU comics to see what they were doing, saw what they did with the Huntress, and put the DC books back down again.
Matthew, I hear you on being glad some good characters are in limbo.
At the same time it saddens me some great characters just got buried because some man-boys caught in a wave of nostalgia decided to burn down half of what made the DCU great so they could play with half-remembered aspects of their childhood. If these characters were actually written out through a storyline -- a good story -- one could accept their absence or loss. Their being ignored is its own brand of infuriating, however.
I still nurse a fervent desire that suddenly most of the bigwigs at DC will suddenly, I don't know, have a sudden crisis of faith/life, quit their jobs to find true happiness elsewhere, and then Warner/DC hires all of the creative leaders who've done the DC Animated Universe to take their place. I will take any reboot or retcon from them, because I trust it would be awesome. I also trust they would also introduce, account for, or otherwise be transparent about their intention to use/not use of all of the DCU's past great characters so fans don't feel strung along or betrayed.
This isn't Artemis of Bana-Mighdall, is it? (I have no idea what's going on in the DCU right now outside of The Movement). She wasn't cartoon-original (she was introduced in the comics in the 90s) but it wouldn't surprise me if DC reintroduced her into the nDCU only to kill her off.
Not sure, I'm not a HUGE comics guy, I mostly watch the cartoons.
If I recall, she was Tigress pre-reboot, as a villain, but her appearance and personality were different in the show (as she was portrayed as a hero), so for all intents and purposes, she was a "cartoon original" character, as she was introduced with that persona (and appearance) in mind.
This isn't Artemis of Bana-Mighdall, is it? (I have no idea what's going on in the DCU right now outside of The Movement). She wasn't cartoon-original (she was introduced in the comics in the 90s) but it wouldn't surprise me if DC reintroduced her into the nDCU only to kill her off.
Not sure, I'm not a HUGE comics guy, I mostly watch the cartoons.
If I recall, she was Tigress pre-reboot, as a villain, but her appearance and personality were different in the show (as she was portrayed as a hero), so for all intents and purposes, she was a "cartoon original" character, as she was introduced with that persona (and appearance) in mind.
And I don't really watch the cartoons.
But doing some quick Googling, I see yes, she is Tigress, and went by Artemis in the AU (to confuse all the Wonder Woman fans, I guess. She even looks like a blonde Artemis of Bana-Mighdall).
So if it was this woman that showed up in the comics, then yes, that's Tigress. Who is not cartoon original; according to Wikipedia, Artemis Crock first showed up in the 1980s. (So despite my comparisons to Artemis of Bana Mighdall, she came first. Would be nice if they named characters more different names).
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Yes, it was the young justice artimis that got killed for shock value.
Aside: I just got the Batman/Justice League Beyond comics (Poor Vixen!). It reminds me I'd enjoy a DCAU universe comic or two. Give me Beyond, Unlimited and then a Young Justice-verse comic, and I'll be a fan again DC.
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The Young Justice cartoon and the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon have been some of the best superhero fare of the last few years.
Given the success of other cartoon characters crossing over into comic-book continuity, like Harlequin, I'm disappointed that cartoon-Artemis wasn't given a better treatment in the comics.
As for the original topic, I 'miss' a lot more characters that are technically still alive, just written so out of character, or having been rebooted so drastically in personality, than actual 'dead' ones.
Probably my number one preference for cartoons over comics these days is that the cartoon interpretations of Young Justice / the Avengers / the Legion / etc. tend to be so much more likable and heroic than the comic-book versions, where the creators seem almost *embarrassed* to portray them in a heroic or hopeful or even likable manner.