Are petrified creatures objects or creatures? Or "Can I sneak attack that statue over there?"


Rules Questions


As the title.

Petrified makes you unconscious, which makes you helpless, which explicitly allows sneak attacks.


I don't see why you couldn't sneak attack an object. "The rogue's attack deals extra damage anytime her target would be denied a Dexterity bonus to AC (whether the target actually has a Dexterity bonus or not), or when the rogue flanks her target."

So if you're trying to hammer away at a stone column supporting a bridge, flank it and get sneak attack dice to help overcome the hardness. (Assuming your weapon isn't ineffective against the object type, club vs rope, etc.)

This sounds really stupid, so there's probably a rule against it somewhere.

Smashing an Object says it's a Sunder vs item AC. Sunder says "If your attack is successful, you deal damage to the item normally."

So unless someone finds the rule saying it's only vs living creatures or something, I guess it's OK?

The Exchange

Since you could look up the condition in the CRB's index, I suppose you're asking for GMs' opinions. My opinion is that the petrified creature is a stone object (not a creature). Of course, that definition could run into trouble if break enchantment or stone to flesh have 'one creature' as their eligible targets. ;)


Lincoln Hills wrote:
My opinion is that the petrified creature is a stone object (not a creature). Of course, that definition could run into trouble if break enchantment or stone to flesh have 'one creature' as their eligible targets. ;)

Break Enchantment: "Targets up to one creature per level, all within 30 ft. of each other"

Stone to Flesh: "Target one petrified creature or a cylinder of stone from 1 ft. to 3 ft. in diameter and up to 10 ft. long"


Heh. Sneak Attack doesn't actually say it's Precision Damage.

Interesting.


Upon further investigation, objects are not denied their dexterity bonus to AC, they simply have a dex of 0. A subtle but important distinction.

So in the question posed, it really does matter if they are objects or persons.

Not that this would ever come up in play, I just want to get a better grasp of the rules.


Since you can sneak attack a constuct I couldn't see why sneak attacking a petrified person wouldn't apply as long as one of the conditions was met.


I have let it happen in games I've run. If anyone tried to argue rules minutiae toward the contention that a petrified person wasn't a person, I would have to shout at them, loudly.


taepodong wrote:
I have let it happen in games I've run. If anyone tried to argue rules minutiae toward the contention that a petrified person wasn't a person, I would have to shout at them, loudly.

The CRB is a very heavy blunt object.

Jussayin'.

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Cheapy wrote:

Heh. Sneak Attack doesn't actually say it's Precision Damage.

Interesting.

Poor formatting. It calls it out as precision damage under Greater Vital Strike:

Pathfinder RPG, pg 126 wrote:
Roll the weapon’s damage dice for the attack four times and add the results together before adding bonuses from Strength, weapon abilities (such as flaming), precision-based damage (such as sneak attack), and other damage bonuses.

Manyshot

"Pathfinder RPG, pg 130 wrote:
Apply precision-based damage (such as sneak attack) and critical hit damage only once for this attack.

Under Critical Hits in Combat

Pathfinder RPG, pg 184 wrote:
Exception: Precision damage (such as from a rogue’s sneak attack class feature)

Splash Weapons

"Pathfinder RPG, pg 202 wrote:
Splash weapons cannot deal precision-based damage (such as sneak attack).

and Darkness

"Pathfinder RPG, pg 442 wrote:
Creatures blinded by darkness lose the ability to deal extra damage due to precision (for example, via sneak attack or a duelist’s precise strike ability).

Another case of 'things to be cleaned up in a revised CRB.'

The Exchange

Grick wrote:

Break Enchantment: "Targets up to one creature per level, all within 30 ft. of each other"

Stone to Flesh: "Target one petrified creature or a cylinder of stone from 1 ft. to 3 ft. in diameter and up to 10 ft. long"

...There y'go then. A petrified creature remains a creature (and thus favored enemy and bane-weapon damage still applies, among other things.) Thank yew Grick.


Cheapy wrote:

Upon further investigation, objects are not denied their dexterity bonus to AC, they simply have a dex of 0. A subtle but important distinction.

So in the question posed, it really does matter if they are objects or persons.

And sadly, you can't feint against an object. But Flanking doesn't specify creature, just opponent. Nothing says your opponent can't be a statue, or tree, or whatever.

Lincoln Hills wrote:
Thank yew Grick.

Fir sure!

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