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What is the penalty for wielding a two handed weapon in one hand? The best I can figure is -2 since a Two Handed Weapon is one size category larger then a typical one handed weapon.
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What is the penalty for wielding a two handed weapon in one hand? The best I can figure is -2 since a Two Handed Weapon is one size category larger then a typical one handed weapon.
It can't be done.
What is the penalty for wielding a two handed weapon in one hand? The best I can figure is -2 since a Two Handed Weapon is one size category larger then a typical one handed weapon.It can't be done.
Why not?
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Can somebody point me in the direction of that rule in the book? The only thing like that I see says it can't be done effectively. Hence my wondering about the penalties involved.
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"The measure of how much effort it takes to use a weapon
(whether the weapon is designated as a light, one-handed,
or two-handed weapon for a particular wielder) is altered
by one step for each size category of difference between
the wielder’s size and the size of the creature for which the
weapon was designed. For example, a Small creature would
wield a Medium one-handed weapon as a two-handed
weapon. If a weapon’s designation would be changed to
something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by
this alteration, the creature can’t wield the weapon at all."
Thanks.
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PRD[/url] Two-Handed: Two hands are to use a two-handed melee weapon effectively.
Inappropriately Sized Weapons: ...If a weapon’s designation would be changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by
this alteration, the creature can’t wield the weapon at all.
There are only a few ways around this rule. 1)Take exotic weapon proficiency (bastard sword) this allows you use it as a one handed weapon instead of two. 2)Have someone cast enlarge person on you. 3)Have a racial ability that allows you wield larger weapons at no penality (ex: Heavy Weapons) or 4)Be a large creature using a medium two-handed weapon (-2 penalty for inappropriately sized weapon).
Two-Handed: Two hands are to use a two-handed melee weapon effectively.
The best part of this is that it is a binary statement; if you reverse the positive and negative tenses, it remains the same thing, while becoming clearer on the issue.
If you do not use two hands with your two-handed weapon, it is ineffective.
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It can't be done.
*cough cough* Bastard Sword *cough cough*
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*cough cough* Bastard Sword *cough cough*
It can't be done.
Bastard Sword is listed under one-handed exotic.
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*cough cough* Bastard Sword *cough cough*
It can't be done.
:), nice try.
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Can somebody point me in the direction of that rule in the book? The only thing like that I see says it can't be done effectively. Hence my wondering about the penalties involved.
Can't be done.
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I'd probably consider it at that point an improvised weapon. The -4 to hit and the change to crits might balance it out.
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Mechanically it might be a no no but honestly I think you're stepping away from the Spirit of the Rules and focuing on the Letter of the Rules. I would follow Buddah668 suggestion.
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Mechanically it might be a no no but honestly I think you're stepping away from the Spirit of the Rules and focuing on the Letter of the Rules.
Exactly.
Mechanically speaking, I'd suspect someone is trying min/max damage with a two weapon fighter, so using the biggest hardest hitting sword fits the bill. My approach would be allow it with the large penalties, making it inefficient over the more conventional two weapon types. Still if the rolls favor the player, they'll have a great story to tell later. A -6 (-2 for the two handed primary, -4 for improvised) to hit with the primary hand is a hefty penalty to overcome, even with magic. I'd even look at tacking on an additional penalty to the secondary weapons attack rolls.
I'd also allow large creatures to wield the great sword much like a bastard sword. It makes for an interesting monster as a boss. So yes I've dealt with the main subject before.
From a role play stand point. What makes a better improvised weapon tale? Charging and ogre chieftain with a Great Sword in one hand and some other hefty weapon in the other. Or two weapon rending the barkeep in a tavern brawl with a pair of bar stools.
From a role play stand point. What makes a better improvised weapon tale? Charging and ogre chieftain with a Great Sword in one hand and some other hefty weapon in the other. Or two weapon rending the barkeep in a tavern brawl with a pair of bar stools.
Honestly, I kinda like the second one better. It gave me more of the 'How the? I gotta hear this one.' feeling.
From a role play stand point. What makes a better improvised weapon tale? Charging and ogre chieftain with a Great Sword in one hand and some other hefty weapon in the other. Or two weapon rending the barkeep in a tavern brawl with a pair of bar stools.Honestly, I kinda like the second one better. It gave me more of the 'How the? I gotta hear this one.' feeling.
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Got a question on this topic. could a large size creature wield a medium size two handed weapon in one hand?
yep with a -2
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What is the penalty for wielding a two handed weapon in one hand? The best I can figure is -2 since a Two Handed Weapon is one size category larger then a typical one handed weapon.
The "penalty" is that you reduce the weapon size by 1 category and take a -2 penalty on all attack rolls due to the size being inappropriate.
As far as I can tell, yes, that means you can use small Glaives, etc. as 1 handed reach weapons.
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What is the penalty for wielding a two handed weapon in one hand? The best I can figure is -2 since a Two Handed Weapon is one size category larger then a typical one handed weapon.Never say no, assign difficulty.
What difficulty would you assign to a reduce personed halfling (Tiny) picking up a Titan's hammer (colossal-sized 2H weapon) and smashing something with it?
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The rules handle this question pretty clearly
The measure of how much effort it takes to use a weapon
(whether the weapon is designated as a light, one-handed,
or two-handed weapon for a particular wielder) is altered
by one step for each size category of difference between
the wielder’s size and the size of the creature for which the
weapon was designed.
Inappropriately Sized Weapons: A creature can't make optimum use of a weapon that isn't properly sized for it. A cumulative –2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder. If the creature isn't proficient with the weapon, a –4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.
So a 2 handed weapon for a medium sized creature is mechanically a one handed weapon for a large creature (according to the first quote)
Using a one handed weapon for a large creature when you are medium sized provides a -2 penalty (according to the second quote)
So using a 2 handed weapon in one hand gives a -2 penalty, -6 if you aren't proficient in the weapon.
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What difficulty would you assign to a reduce personed halfling (Tiny) picking up a Titan's hammer (colossal-sized 2H weapon) and smashing something with it?
DC 50 strength check to pick it up, and failure results in hurting yourself, to the tune of 1d4 STR and DEX damage plus another 1d4 for every 5 by which you fail. ;)
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Mechanically speaking, I'd suspect someone is trying min/max damage with a two weapon fighter
If they are using the 2 handed sword in their off hand then they are compounding penalties. -2 for using a weapon larger than your size category and an additional -4 to each hand for not using a light weapon in your off hand.
If they are using it in their primary hand, they are still taking an additional -2 penalty for 2.5 points of damage on average, they would be significantly better served with power attack.
If they are using 2 h swords in both hands, then they have -6 to attack with each weapon in exchange for 2.5 points of damage extra with each if they hit. How is that min/maxing?
In other words, this could be an attempt at min/maxing, but if it is, they fail.
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Phalanx fighter variant is one way to get around it (imagine fauchard + tower shield...yikes).
There might also be some spells out there.
Actually I have a character I am running right now that is using that variant. The Tower Shield bonuses for the variant seem nice, but mechanically tower shields are for clerics...in combat the tower shield is hurting more than helping. I've found that taking a light steel shield and making it magical along with the guisarme you can be a REAL pain in the butt. I specialized in 2 weapon fighting, imp trip, shield bash, power attack, combat reflexes, combat expertise and more to be a machine that is not only REALLY hard to hit but keeps things on the ground almost indefinitely.
Now that I've derailed...there are only a few circumstances in the books that I've seen you able to wield a 2h weapon in 1h.
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So a 2 handed weapon for a medium sized creature is mechanically a one handed weapon for a large creature (according to the first quote)
Yes.
Using a one handed weapon for a large creature when you are medium sized provides a -2 penalty (according to the second quote)
Yes.
So using a 2 handed weapon in one hand gives a -2 penalty, -6 if you aren't proficient in the weapon.
No. You're forgetting that a medium creature using a large one-handed weapon requires both hands.
For inappropriately sized weapons, in addition to the penalty to hit, you also alter the effort by one step for each size difference.
"For example, a Small creature would wield a Medium one-handed weapon as a two-handed weapon."
It follows that a Medium creature would wield a Large one-handed weapon as a two-handed weapon.
To use a two-handed weapon in one hand, the weapon must be one size category smaller than the wielder. (And still take the size penalty)
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3.5 has precedent in the Monkey Grip feat which, as I recall, allowed you to wield a two handed weapon in one hand with a -2 penalty. You could import the feat (it's in Complete Warrior, I think), but it opens avenues for all sorts of cheese. Despite building a number of characters who used it in 3.5, I'm glad that feat didn't make it into Pathfinder.
That said, a -4 improvised penalty seems reasonable enough.
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states rules that are correct
Right you are, I missed that.
So within the rules as written then, if you want to wield a 2 handed weapon in one hand you are going to need to suck up to the wizard and get an enlarge person or something.
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states rules that are correct
Right you are, I missed that.
So within the rules as written then, if you want to wield a 2 handed weapon in one hand you are going to need to suck up to the wizard and get an enlarge person or something.
How will that help? The weapon would just resize.
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Not if the weapon is not on your person when you Enlarge.
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Not if the weapon is not on your person when you Enlarge.
This.
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Not if the weapon is not on your person when you Enlarge.
All right, is there something somewhere not in the spell description I'm missing? "All equipment worn or carried by a creature is similarly enlarged by the spell." It doesn't say anywhere "when this spell is cast" or anything. Since the spell has duration 1 min./level (D), that means it is a continuous magical effect, not an instantaneous one.
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Not if the weapon is not on your person when you Enlarge.All right, is there something somewhere not in the spell description I'm missing? "All equipment worn or carried by a creature is similarly enlarged by the spell." It doesn't say anywhere "when this spell is cast" or anything. Since the spell has duration 1 min./level (D), that means it is a continuous magical effect, not an instantaneous one.
Interesting interpretation. You are suggesting that for the duration of the spell, anything the enlarged person picks up is enlarged?
You know enlarge can be made permanent with permanency right? Your interpretation would have dramatic implications in this regard.
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Interesting interpretation. You are suggesting that for the duration of the spell, anything the enlarged person picks up is enlarged?You know enlarge can be made permanent with permanency right? Your interpretation would have dramatic implications in this regard.
I would assume that, if picked up items do become enlarged, they would stop being enlarged when they are no longer worn or carried.
No, Just no.
"The door grew to large size when pete touched it and ripped out of the wall"
"The halfling is now large sized as he just climbed inside pets back pack"
No Items do not become effected by the spell they were not effected by at the time of casting
Not if the weapon is not on your person when you Enlarge.All right, is there something somewhere not in the spell description I'm missing? "All equipment worn or carried by a creature is similarly enlarged by the spell." It doesn't say anywhere "when this spell is cast" or anything. Since the spell has duration 1 min./level (D), that means it is a continuous magical effect, not an instantaneous one.Interesting interpretation. You are suggesting that for the duration of the spell, anything the enlarged person picks up is enlarged?
You know enlarge can be made permanent with permanency right? Your interpretation would have dramatic implications in this regard.
Only so far as the person is concerned. Yes, any item they drop would go back to it's regular size, as the spell is on the creature, not the item, however while worn or carried, it is subject to the spell's effects.
And to seeker, no, I would rule the halfling is not "equipment", nor is the door. Besides, a halfling wouldn't go to Large, he'd merely go to Medium.
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Not if the weapon is not on your person when you Enlarge.All right, is there something somewhere not in the spell description I'm missing? "All equipment worn or carried by a creature is similarly enlarged by the spell." It doesn't say anywhere "when this spell is cast" or anything. Since the spell has duration 1 min./level (D), that means it is a continuous magical effect, not an instantaneous one.Interesting interpretation. You are suggesting that for the duration of the spell, anything the enlarged person picks up is enlarged?
You know enlarge can be made permanent with permanency right? Your interpretation would have dramatic implications in this regard.
Only so far as the person is concerned. Yes, any item they drop would go back to it's regular size, as the spell is on the creature, not the item, however while worn or carried, it is subject to the spell's effects.
And to seeker, no, I would rule the halfling is not "equipment", nor is the door. Besides, a halfling wouldn't go to Large, he'd merely go to Medium.
I had this argument in another thread. The problem is:
I (enlarged) pick up a small tree to move it out of the road so my party's wagon can get by. Not equipment, doesn't get bigger. (If it did, I wouldn't be able to pick it up)
Bandits attack, so I use the tree as an improvised weapon to club my enemies. Now it's equipment, and becomes too large to wield.
Since whether or not something is "equipment" depends on how your using it, a single item could shrink or grow several times during the duration of the spell without even putting it down.
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*cough cough* Bastard Sword *cough cough*
It can't be done.
Breath mint?