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Woke up this morning, got ready for work, turned on computer - that's when I found out.
I'm happy that justice was finally served and that rat-bastard is dead. Sad in knowing that we've still got a long way to go.
Justice is a Trial by a Jury of One and life in a cage at the South Pole along with all the other undesirable numbers. This, like the last ten years, is a victory to the lawless animals on all sides.
We gave him a trial by one, and since there is no prison at the South Pole, this was the second best options. Besides he was given the chance to surrender and apparently decided to draw a gun on a Navy SEAL instead. At that point every civilized nation in the world recognizes the right for a law officer to defend himself, so in the language of my old job Osama chose suicide by cop.
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Epic Beard Wombat approves of this statement.I love those glasses. Invented by a Muslim huh?
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age: middlejob: wombat hunter.
vision: 20/10 in shooting eye. At middle age.
care: not a about glasses, mate.
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I've wished no man dead, but I've read some obituaries with great pleasure." - Mark Twain
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that"
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I've wished no man dead, but I've read some obituaries with great pleasure." - Mark Twain
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that"
— Martin Luther King Jr.
I'm sure he'd also enthusiastically blurt out that he's glad Obama gets a second term, right?
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I've wished no man dead, but I've read some obituaries with great pleasure." - Mark Twain
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that"
— Martin Luther King Jr.
I think the Washington Post best described the celebration by so many:
A generation of young Americans slammed the door Monday on the great, big boogeyman of their childhoods with an epic woot-woot and rounds and rounds of "U.S.A.!"
It is not so much that they were celebrating the death of a man as they were celebrating the end of a collective nightmare.
I'm sure he'd also enthusiastically blurt out that he's glad Obama gets a second term, right?I've wished no man dead, but I've read some obituaries with great pleasure." - Mark Twain
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that"
— Martin Luther King Jr.
No, he'd state it in a grand speech, and thousands of children would be subjected to his 'brotherly love' indoctrination :D
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I've wished no man dead, but I've read some obituaries with great pleasure." - Mark Twain
I'm curious now, I can't seem to find the origin of this quote. A lot of people have tossed it around in the last 24 hours.
Clarence Darrow wrote a very similar quote in the 1932 book The Story of My Life, "I've killed no man, but I've read some obituaries with great pleasure".
Other people have attributed it to Hencken as well, but Darrow's is the only one where I've been able to find proof of reference. I have to wonder if it's one of those instances where someone down the line couldn't remember where they'd heard it and since it has Twain's style of wit, they just attributed it to him. Or if Darrow had read it somewhere and just decided it sounded too good to not use.
I've wished no man dead, but I've read some obituaries with great pleasure." - Mark Twain
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that"
— Martin Luther King Jr.
Martin Luther King Jr. was a better man than I.
— Wolfthulhu
Oh yeah Bear Scat ...... and flagged.
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Woke up this morning, got ready for work, turned on computer - that's when I found out.
I'm happy that justice was finally served and that rat-bastard is dead. Sad in knowing that we've still got a long way to go.
Justice is a Trial by a Jury of One and life in a cage at the South Pole along with all the other undesirable numbers. This, like the last ten years, is a victory to the lawless animals on all sides.
That's your opinion Dingo. For those of us on the sane side of life, things look a little different.
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I've wished no man dead, but I've read some obituaries with great pleasure." - Mark Twain
I'm curious now, I can't seem to find the origin of this quote. A lot of people have tossed it around in the last 24 hours.
Clarence Darrow wrote a very similar quote in the 1932 book The Story of My Life, "I've killed no man, but I've read some obituaries with great pleasure".
Other people have attributed it to Hencken as well, but Darrow's is the only one where I've been able to find proof of reference. I have to wonder if it's one of those instances where someone down the line couldn't remember where they'd heard it and since it has Twain's style of wit, they just attributed it to him. Or if Darrow had read it somewhere and just decided it sounded too good to not use.
IDK; friend had it on his fbook.
Locking thread. I'll remind people of this post again regarding political topic threads.
Edit: Unlocking thread - please keep any further commentary civil.
Locking thread. I'll remind people of this post again regarding political topic threads.
Edit: Unlocking thread - please keep any further commentary civil.
Will cupcakes do?
strolls gleefully through the thread handing everyone creme-coated cupcakes covered with red, white, and blue sprinkles. The words "USA!" lovingly etched on top of it in icing.
Hmm.....no body to examine any more. KIA. Swiftly buried at sea. So when do the tinfoil guys start their schtick?
They already have on other sites, mostly right wing political ones.
Now the biggest question on our minds is: is there a porn of it? And if not now, when?
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IDK; friend had it on his fbook.I've wished no man dead, but I've read some obituaries with great pleasure." - Mark Twain
I'm curious now, I can't seem to find the origin of this quote. A lot of people have tossed it around in the last 24 hours.
Clarence Darrow wrote a very similar quote in the 1932 book The Story of My Life, "I've killed no man, but I've read some obituaries with great pleasure".
Other people have attributed it to Hencken as well, but Darrow's is the only one where I've been able to find proof of reference. I have to wonder if it's one of those instances where someone down the line couldn't remember where they'd heard it and since it has Twain's style of wit, they just attributed it to him. Or if Darrow had read it somewhere and just decided it sounded too good to not use.
I looked for it; can't find it anywhere.
wow, first time I see a locked thread get unlocked... Milestone!
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that"
— Martin Luther King Jr.
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Fake quote, btw."I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that"
— Martin Luther King Jr.
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The problem is that once the political message goes out these days, anyone not agreeing is immediately called paranoid and a conspiracy theorist. It does not paint a pretty picture for the future of certain countries that this is the case.
My point is: There is something in this story that truly stinks. It may be entirely true, if so, the american soldiers assassinating him is bad enough. If there is more to it, well, as you said, we will know how far this is going to be used. War against Pakistan? Perhaps. Either way, this is going to be blurted out every time people want to discuss shutting down Guantanamo and other abhorrent practices of this and the current american administration, only nobody will ever know WHAT information from Guantanamo lead to this operation.
Too convenient. Or: There is something funny about this.
KILLING ENEMYS IN A TIME OF WAR IS NOT ASSASSINATION.
KILLING THE GUY THAT STARTED THE WAR IN A MILITARY OPERATION IS NOT A ASSASSINATION.An assassination is "to murder (a usually prominent person) by a sudden and/or secret attack, often for political reasons." An additional definition is "the act of deliberately killing someone especially a public figure, usually for hire or for political reasons."
Was Osama bin Laden a political leader? no
Was Osama bin Laden the leader of a group we have declared war on? yes
Can not be assassinated he is a combatant in a war! That he started!
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Fake quote, btw."I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that"
— Martin Luther King Jr.
Doesn't mean I don't share the sentiment 100%.
Doesn't mean I don't share the sentiment 100%.
I didn't say you didn't, and there's nothing wrong with the sentiment. It's just amusing that somewhere out there in the wild blue yonder of the internet, someone fabricated and widely distributed a thought of their own with a historical figure's name attached to give it more oomph.
"Frankly, the United States is completely justified in blowing bin Laden's head off his shoulders. We should dance in the street and sing until dawn in celebration." ~ Thomas Jefferson
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Doesn't mean I don't share the sentiment 100%.I didn't say you didn't, and there's nothing wrong with the sentiment. It's just amusing that somewhere out there in the wild blue yonder of the internet, someone fabricated and widely distributed a thought of their own with a historical figure's name attached to give it more oomph.
"Frankly, the United States is completely justified in blowing bin Laden's head off his shoulders. We should dance in the street and sing until dawn in celebration." ~ Thomas Jefferson
Or somthing like this. From darker days in history.
THE PARATROOPER'S PRAYER
I'm asking You God, to give me what You have left.
Give me those things which others never ask of You.
I don't ask You for rest, or tranquility.
Not that of the spirit, the body, or the mind.
I don't ask You for wealth, or success, or even health.
All those things are asked of You so much Lord,
that you can't have any left to give.
Give me instead Lord what You have left.
Give me what others don't want.
I want uncertainty and doubt.
I want torment and battle.
And I ask that You give them to me now and forever Lord,
so I can be sure to always have them,
because I won't always have the strength to ask again.
But give me also the courage, the energy,
and the spirit to face them.
I ask You these things Lord,
because I can't ask them of myself.
Written by Lieutenant A. Zirnheld,
This prayer was found on the body of Aspirant (Lieutenant) André Zirnheld, killed in action in Libya, in July 1942, during a raid behind enemy lines. A college philosophy professor before the war, Aspirant Zirnheld served in one of the very first companies of the famed British S.A.S.
Although Zirnheld never served in the Foreign Legion, his prayer has been adopted by all French Paratroopers, the Legion included.
"I can't believe it's not butter"
-George Clooney
KILLING ENEMYS IN A TIME OF WAR IS NOT ASSASSINATION.
KILLING THE GUY THAT STARTED THE WAR IN A MILITARY OPERATION IS NOT A ASSASSINATION.An assassination is "to murder (a usually prominent person) by a sudden and/or secret attack, often for political reasons." An additional definition is "the act of deliberately killing someone especially a public figure, usually for hire or for political reasons."
Was Osama bin Laden a political leader? no
Was Osama bin Laden the leader of a group we have declared war on? yes
Can not be assassinated he is a combatant in a war! That he started!
By your definitions then:
He was certainly a prominent and public figure.The attack was both secret and sudden, and I would say it was deliberate.
It was done for political reasons.
But no, it was not done "for hire".
I would say it qualifies admirably then. Better find some new definitions.
As to not being a political leader... did you know he was the boss of a political network known as Al-Qaida? =)
Whether you had declared war on him does not matter, since the assassination was made on Pakistani soil, where american laws do not apply, no matter if american military or agencies think it should.
'Assassination' is not a legal term. It gets thrown around in the same way that anyone who commits murder with a rifle is a 'sniper,' or when people confuse 'rights' with freedoms. They are somewhat nebulous terms that have different meanings to different people and groups.
IMHO, bin Laden does not qualify as a political leader, as a legal definition, because he was not an elected representative of a body politic. His organization certainly has political aims, but they do not engage in any lawful political process.
Food for thought;
The U.S. Army Lieber Code of 1863 states in Section IX under the heading of “Assassination” that: The law of war does not allow proclaiming either an individual belonging to the hostile army, or a citizen, or a subject of the hostile government an outlaw, who may be slain without trial by any captor, any more than the modern law of peace allows such international outlawry; on the contrary, it abhors such outrage. The sternest retaliation should follow the murder committed in consequence of such proclamation, made by whatever authority. Civilized nations look with horror upon offers of rewards for the assassination of enemies as relapses into barbarism.
The Lieber Code of 1863 Correspondence, Orders, Reports, and Return of the Union Authorities From January 1 To December 31, 1863 – #7 O.R.--Series III—Volume III [S# 124]
Of course, this was back when war was a gentlemanly pursuit.
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Edit: Unlocking thread - please keep any further commentary civil.
Thank you Lilith for having such patience.
Thanks the United States military, President Bush, President Obama, their respective staff members, the intelligence organizations and everyone else who dilligently pursued that piece of excrement until finally being able to run him to ground and arranging for a one-way ticket to divine judgment.
While I don't celebrate another man's death, I certainly celebrate the fact that evil was diminished. For those who can't look at the actions of OBL and see evil, I think you've drank far too deeply from the cup of moral relativism. Like Hitler, Osama bin Laden was evil, pure and simple.
I can fully appreciate the shades of gray in human existence. However, some things are black and white. I'll take comfort in the fact that for at least a brief moment in time, evil got kicked in the balls.
God bless America.
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KILLING ENEMYS IN A TIME OF WAR IS NOT ASSASSINATION.
KILLING THE GUY THAT STARTED THE WAR IN A MILITARY OPERATION IS NOT A ASSASSINATION.An assassination is "to murder (a usually prominent person) by a sudden and/or secret attack, often for political reasons." An additional definition is "the act of deliberately killing someone especially a public figure, usually for hire or for political reasons."
Was Osama bin Laden a political leader? no
Was Osama bin Laden the leader of a group we have declared war on? yes
Can not be assassinated he is a combatant in a war! That he started!By your definitions then:
He was certainly a prominent and public figure.
The attack was both secret and sudden, and I would say it was deliberate.
It was done for political reasons.
But no, it was not done "for hire".I would say it qualifies admirably then. Better find some new definitions.
As to not being a political leader... did you know he was the boss of a political network known as Al-Qaida? =)
Whether you had declared war on him does not matter, since the assassination was made on Pakistani soil, where american laws do not apply, no matter if american military or agencies think it should.
Targeted killing=self defense.
Assassination=murder.That's the distinction.
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Yall miss the point of him being a enemy combatant. Where or not he is there leader dose not matter. He is a enemy combatant and can not be assassinated, becous he is part of the military organization we are fighting.
Fighting is never the best soultion.
But some times it's the only soultion given to you.
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Yall miss the point of him being a enemy combatant. Where or not he is there leader dose not matter. He is a enemy combatant and can not be assassinated, becous he is part of the military organization we are fighting.
Fighting is never the best soultion.
But some times it's the only soultion given to you.
I’m not questioning the validity or justice of the attack, or suggesting that Osama did not deserve to die ... but it was an assassination. Dictionary.com defines assassination as: ‘to kill suddenly or secretively, especially a politically prominent person’. That is exactly what happened in this situation.
The president of the United States is the head of the United States Armed Forces (and therefore part of the military organisation). If a president was killed by an elite unit of combatants from an enemy nation or organisation attacking him in his home (or embassy, or hidden bunker or whatever) it would be called an assassination, and quite rightly so.
This was an assassination, that doesn’t necessarily make it a bad thing.