Bo9S today, BESM tomorrow...
But we find the crown so damned niffty.
Bo9S today, BESM tomorrow...Cute & Fuzzy Cockfighting Seizure Monsters the next day
This iss offtopic but did you know there are quite a few people at my game store who still play the pokemon card game?
I use Bo9S, so clearly I am in an anime.
How well does that convert to PF? I know a couple of people who swore by it.
Oh yeah Kirthfinder.
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True story: My pal, a former tennis coach of some repute, coached one of younger Laden family members ( a cousin of the recently murdered one).
In tennis.
Not the other T.
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Well, this new information sure does add support to the Weekend at Bernie's theory of Osama Bin Laden, in which wacky government agents take him water skiing and otherwise fake that he is alive for a half dozen years before killing him again (maybe) and burying him at sea (possibly) so he won't return as a reverse vampire (very likely).
Patriotard?! That's funny. I've been called retarded many times, but I don't think I've ever been called patriotic. I always prefer the more neutral term, "sane".
This is incredibly full of win. The mental image is just perfect.
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In today's White House press briefing it was finally revealed how they tracked down ibn Laden. He bought a new iPhone last month. :)Not quite. It was an interception of a cell phone message made by a courier. They've been generally very careful, to the extent of removing their cellphone batteries when not making calls, but one got just a little bit too careless...
pssst...David was just joking. that's what :) was for
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It is being covered on local television also.Osama dead? Did the Seal that shot him roll a natural 20 for a crit with a another 20 to confirm? Or did Osama fail his save by rolling two natural one's for a critical fail?
The truth will never be known....damn the government...
I thought they were using a d6 system???
DAMN THE GOVERNMENTS LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is being covered on local television also.Osama dead? Did the Seal that shot him roll a natural 20 for a crit with a another 20 to confirm? Or did Osama fail his save by rolling two natural one's for a critical fail?
The truth will never be known....damn the government...
I thought they were using a d6 system???
DAMN THE GOVERNMENTS LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wait, I thought they went percentile! Damnit.
www.counterpunch.com/shamir05042011.html
Well, if this is true, it looks like you all owe Sissyl an apology.
hilarious stuff
Excuse me for a moment, laughing up my appendix. Dear God, what a load of crap, trying to pass itself off as a legitimate news service and/or 'keep the bastards honest' website.
Rule of Thumb, all media is involved with at least one political party or minority group or religious group and will shamelessly pander to them and slander their rivals.
All media thrives on sensationalism, rather than actual journalism, so even if the media is screaming at you, guilty until proven innocent or 'take everything with a grain of salt'.
And finally, all governments are corrupt, it's merely the level and subtlety that varies. Just be grateful your government doesn't think shooting civilians in the street is warranted and find ways to (non-violently) help the poor shmucks stuck in countries that do.
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Well, if this is true, it looks like you all owe Sissyl an apology.
I just read the article and it does not even prove what it claims to prove. Although they claim that unedited documents that wikileaks has in the possession show we knew where he was in 2005, they do not supply the evidence, they supply a section completely unrelated to ibn Laden. Let's be rational here, and assume for a minute that this was all done for political gain. If we knew where he was in 2005, why did President Bush not have him taken out in October of 2006 when it looked like, and turned out to be true, that he would lose the House and Senate? Why would he not have had him taken out in 2008, when John McCain's platform was that he was the best man to run the war on terror? Why didn't President Obama have him taken out last year when it looked like, and was true, that he would lose the House and take a serious hit in the Senate. Why would he not wait until next year when it would be a much bigger benefit to his reelection campaign? The only thing that this has been good for is drowning out the birthers and even that did not work since Chris Matthews waited a whole 45 seconds after the announcement of ibn Laden's death to bring up the birthers again.
so it begins...
New Petition Favors Replacing Congress with SEAL Team Six
Elite Unit Gets Post-bin Laden Bounce
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) – In a startling measurement of public opinion since the successful mission to kill Osama bin Laden, Americans in record numbers are signing a petition to replace Congress with SEAL Team Six, the elite unit that took out the al-Qaeda madman.
The petition echoes the results of a new poll by the University of Minnesota’s Opinion Research Institute, in which the Navy SEALS trounce Congress by a lopsided 97% to 2% margin, with the remaining 1% answering, “Superman.”
Professor Davis Logsdon of the University of Minnesota said that the numbers behind the numbers were even more striking: “By a wide margin, Americans favor SEAL Team Six landing on the Capitol building with helicopters and taking out Congress by force.”
Added Professor Logsdon, “There’s a broad consensus out there that the Navy SEALs get things done, and that they would make C-Span more fun to watch.”
News of the petition and the survey caught the attention of Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus, who issued a strongly worded denial of rumors that SEAL Team Six were practicing maneuvers on a life-size replica of the Capitol building constructed inside an abandoned Linen ‘n’ Things in suburban Virginia.
In other post-bin Laden news, the White House said that they were “no longer concerned” about the American people being grossed out by images of Osama bin Laden: “After all, they’ve been looking at Trump for weeks.”
Elsewhere, in reporting on Bin Laden's death, Fox News apologized for mispronouncing Barack Obama's name as "George W. Bush."
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This iss offtopic but did you know there are quite a few people at my game store who still play the pokemon card game?Bo9S today, BESM tomorrow...Cute & Fuzzy Cockfighting Seizure Monsters the next day
I still play it with my kids every now and then.
Wait, I thought they went percentile! Damnit.It is being covered on local television also.Osama dead? Did the Seal that shot him roll a natural 20 for a crit with a another 20 to confirm? Or did Osama fail his save by rolling two natural one's for a critical fail?
The truth will never be known....damn the government...
I thought they were using a d6 system???
DAMN THE GOVERNMENTS LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!
In a fiscally-conscious effort to reduce the national debt, the US Government will now run on FUDGE.
That is all. Thank you and good day.
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Bo9S today, BESM tomorrow...Cute & Fuzzy Cockfighting Seizure Monsters the next day
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It's kind of hard to tell, after all even the official account is changing now that the dust has settled.pssst...David was just joking. that's what :) was forIn today's White House press briefing it was finally revealed how they tracked down ibn Laden. He bought a new iPhone last month. :)Not quite. It was an interception of a cell phone message made by a courier. They've been generally very careful, to the extent of removing their cellphone batteries when not making calls, but one got just a little bit too careless...
Yep, was meant to be a joke. Apparently resulted in epic fail. :(
I just read the article and it does not even prove what it claims to prove. Although they claim that unedited documents that wikileaks has in the possession show we knew where he was in 2005, they do not supply the evidence, they supply a section completely unrelated to ibn Laden. Let's be rational here, and assume for a minute that this was all done for political gain. If we knew where he was in 2005, why did President Bush not have him taken out in October of 2006 when it looked like, and turned out to be true, that he would lose the House and Senate? Why would he not have had him taken out in 2008, when John McCain's platform was that he was the best man to run the war on terror? Why didn't President Obama have him taken out last year when it looked like, and was true, that he would lose the House and take a serious hit in the Senate. Why would he not wait until next year when it would be a much bigger benefit to his reelection campaign? The only thing that this has been good for is drowning out the birthers and even that did not work since Chris Matthews waited a whole 45 seconds after the announcement of ibn Laden's death to bring up the birthers again.www.counterpunch.com/shamir05042011.html
Well, if this is true, it looks like you all owe Sissyl an apology.
There's a reason I put the word "if" in my original post.
However, based on your response, I have to question whether, in fact, you did read the article. Because not once does it claim that bin Laden was taken out for partisan (Dem vs. Rep) gain.
Maybe you wrote that because that's what Sissyl wrote?
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Sebastian, you are clever and your posts in this thread are hilarious.
However for Sissyl or anyone else to question an organization that has brought us such proud moments in human history as the Trail of Tears, the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Tuskegee Experiment, radiation experiements on its own citizens, Missouri Executive Order 44, Japanese Interment Camps, slavery and the Southern culture of slavery (including armed defense of the practise), Operation Paperclip, the My Lai Massacre, fireboming Dresden and Tokyo, Abu Ghraib, and the Patriot Act seems not only eminently sane but extremely prudent!
Please also note that this list could easily be added to. It is what I could pull from the top of my head. I am not seeking to flame, but only to stand up for Sissyl, whose questions are not much of a stretch at all given the track record of the group making the claims.
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www.counterpunch.com/shamir05042011.html
Well, if this is true, it looks like you all owe Sissyl an apology.
From the same page:
The Hidden History of Animal Resistance
Don’t miss Jeffrey St Clair’s riveting account of how animals fight back against cruelty and exploitation. This is history written from the end of the bear’s chain, from inside the tiger’s cage, from the depths of the orca tank. Read too the forgotten sagas of medieval animal trials, where non-human species were given rights, their consciousness acknowledged. Also in this exciting new newsletter, Larry Portis on why Sarkozy is getting away with it.
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This is about as credible as a blog that only cites other blogs. In other words, it's as applicable to reality as is Alice in Wonderland. In other news, Batboy returns, and pro wrestling isn't staged, it's totally real.
hilarious stuffExcuse me for a moment, laughing up my appendix. Dear God, what a load of crap, trying to pass itself off as a legitimate news service and/or 'keep the bastards honest' website.
Rule of Thumb, all media is involved with at least one political party or minority group or religious group and will shamelessly pander to them and slander their rivals.
All media thrives on sensationalism, rather than actual journalism, so even if the media is screaming at you, guilty until proven innocent or 'take everything with a grain of salt'.
And finally, all governments are corrupt, it's merely the level and subtlety that varies. Just be grateful your government doesn't think shooting civilians in the street is warranted and find ways to (non-violently) help the poor shmucks stuck in countries that do.
First, I'm glad you're amused. I always aim to please.
Second, you're pretty funny, too. The way you wrote that last paragraph on the (EDIT: 41st) 31st anniversary of the Kent State shootings? Comedic gold.
www.counterpunch.com/shamir05042011.html
Well, if this is true, it looks like you all owe Sissyl an apology.
From the same page:
This is about as credible as a blog that only cites other blogs. In other words, it's as applicable to reality as is Alice in Wonderland. In other news, Batboy returns, and pro wrestling isn't staged, it's totally real.The Hidden History of Animal Resistance
Don’t miss Jeffrey St Clair’s riveting account of how animals fight back against cruelty and exploitation. This is history written from the end of the bear’s chain, from inside the tiger’s cage, from the depths of the orca tank. Read too the forgotten sagas of medieval animal trials, where non-human species were given rights, their consciousness acknowledged. Also in this exciting new newsletter, Larry Portis on why Sarkozy is getting away with it.
Order Past Editions of CounterPunch in "Sample Issues"
I'm not an animal rights person, but nothing in the paragraph you quote is objectionable. You don't think animals fight back against cruelty? You're invited to come pester my dog, Rancor, anytime you're in New Hampshire. You don't think anyone would want to read a book about the history of bear-baiting and cock-fighting? I mean, I know I wouldn't, but still.
Really? That's the best you can come up with? I mean, the site regularly has articles by Fidel Castro, Noam Chomsky and Ralph Nader and all you can come up with is a book about animals?
I'll award a no-prize to the first poster who can find the secret Easter egg hiding behind this article.
yep, that is exactly why I wrote it.Maybe you wrote that because that's what Sissyl wrote?
In that case, I apologize for casting aspersions on your reading comprehension skills.
@Jeremiziah: Um, false?
Sebastian, you are clever and your posts in this thread are hilarious.
However for Sissyl or anyone else to question an organization that has brought us such proud moments in human history as the Trail of Tears, the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Tuskegee Experiment, radiation experiements on its own citizens, Missouri Executive Order 44, Japanese Interment Camps, slavery and the Ku Klux Klan, Operation Paperclip, the My Lai Massacre, Fireboming Dresden and Tokyo, Abu Ghraib, and the Patriot Act seems not only eminently sane but extremely prudent!
Please also note that this list could easily be added to. It is what I could pull from the top of my head. I am not seeking to flame, but only to stand up for Sissyl, whose questions are not much of a stretch at all given the track record of the group making the claims.
Um...not entirely disagreeing with you but how was...
the KKK the goverment?or
alot of the list is of people abusing their goverment autority. Some like the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki or the bombing of Tokyo a bad thing?
Also my disagreement with Sissyl has nothing to do with her message just her tactics...which I find so akin to what she claims to hate that I can't really not argue against it.
Um...not entirely disagreeing with you but how was...
the KKK the goverment?
or
alot of the list is of people abusing their goverment autority. Some like the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki or the bombing of Tokyo a bad thing?
There are many, imho, credible reasons to believe that the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not intended to bring the Japanese government to their knees but were, instead, a warning to at-the-time ally the Soviet Union.
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There are many, imho, credible reasons to believe that the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not intended to bring the Japanese government to their knees but were, instead, a warning to at-the-time ally the Soviet Union.
Um...not entirely disagreeing with you but how was...
the KKK the goverment?
or
alot of the list is of people abusing their goverment autority. Some like the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki or the bombing of Tokyo a bad thing?
Given that the timeline went.
Allies: surrender!
Japan: No!
<Fat Man is dropped.>
A: surrender!
J: No!
<Russia declares war>
A: surrender, damnit!
J: Come and get us, white boys!
<Little Boy is dropped>
A:Surrender!
J:No
Emperor: This is nuts! We surrender.
I find those reasons less than credible.
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John, I clarified my original post... I was trying to mention an institutionalized culture where some humans were better than other humans. Thanks for helping me make that clearer (I hope! :) No sarcasm, so don't read it that way.)
I agree that these abuses are the abuses of individuals in the government and not the entire body of the government. I guess all I am trying to say is that humans being human and all, have established a pattern of abusing power and it seems reasonable to me to question the official story (no matter what the story) because of history and human nature.
It has been said that "eternal vigilance is the price of liberty". When the government pats me on the head and tells me it has taken care of everytihing and I do not need proof, just trust them, it is my instinct to not trust them.
Firebombing those cities and the dropping of nuclear weapons are acts of evil because they were used against civilian populations. The "ends the war sooner" arguement always sounds hollow to me. How do we viscerally react if the way to end the war earlier was to use those weapons on Chicago and LA? Yikes! It would seem very barbaric, but when we value the life of some civilians over the lives of other civilians we are no longer on very solid ground.
There are many, imho, credible reasons to believe that the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not intended to bring the Japanese government to their knees but were, instead, a warning to at-the-time ally the Soviet Union.
Um...not entirely disagreeing with you but how was...
the KKK the goverment?
or
alot of the list is of people abusing their goverment autority. Some like the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki or the bombing of Tokyo a bad thing?
While it could have been in part a warning to the Soviets...it was also to force the Japaneeese to surrender without a pro long land invasionb which probably would have cost more in terms of life than those two nukes did.
People tend to forget the Japaneese were fanatical about surrendering. I had a Grand Uncle who fought in the Island jumping campaign...I forgot which one where the Japaneese women jumped off a cliff with babies in there arms to aviod being captured by the US troops. It is a sight he took to his grave...now imagine invading the main land?
Or one of the reasons why the treated their POWs so bad was because to them it was less than human to be captured in war...it was better to die.
So while yes I will say that impressing the Soviets might have been a factor...it was proably a very small part in it.
John, I clarified my original post... I was trying to mention an institutionalized culture where some humans were better than other humans. Thanks for helping me make that clearer (I hope! :) No sarcasm, so don't read it that way.)
I agree that these abuses are the abuses of individuals in the government and not the entire body of the government. I guess all I am trying to say is that humans being human and all, have established a pattern of abusing power and it seems reasonable to me to question the official story (no matter what the story) because of history and human nature.
It has been said that "eternal vigilance is the price of liberty". When the government pats me on the head and tells me it has taken care of everytihing and I do not need proof, just trust them, it is my instinct to not trust them.
You are right...I don't neccessarily disagree with you or Sissyl, but I do whole heartly disagree with the fear tactic Sissyl uses in her posts. To me our greatest weapon in the fight vs misinfomation and propgandas is our abilty to think...fear takes that away.
I do question the story...especialy the parts in which they had orders to take him alive...as I did in a post previously. But Sissyl is not only questioning the 'story' but the actions of the story itself...by calling it a assassination and questioning our rights to go into another nation and doing what we did.
Firebombing those cities and the dropping of nuclear weapons are acts of evil because they were used against civilian populations. The "ends the war sooner" arguement always sounds hollow to me. How do we viscerally react if the way to end the war earlier was to use those weapons on Chicago and LA? Yikes! It would seem very barbaric, but when we value the life of some civilians over the lives of other civilians we are no longer on very solid ground.
I agree with you 100% with the firebombing of Dresden. It was a calculated move for 'revenge' that leaves me cold inside when I think what we did. There was no need for it has the Germans were already broken...and the war was all but over.
As for the Nukes...given what we saw(see my post above) I think those nukes saved more Japaneese live(as well as American lives) that they actualy took.
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I forgot which one where the Japaneese women jumped off a cliff with babies in there arms to aviod being captured by the US troops.Baby Doomers *badum-ching*
I want to say Iwo Jima, but I know that's wrong.
No I think it's Okinawa
Edit, yes Okinawa
There are many, imho, credible reasons to believe that the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not intended to bring the Japanese government to their knees but were, instead, a warning to at-the-time ally the Soviet Union.
Um...not entirely disagreeing with you but how was...
the KKK the goverment?
or
alot of the list is of people abusing their goverment autority. Some like the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki or the bombing of Tokyo a bad thing?
Given that the timeline went.
Allies: surrender!
Japan: No!
<Fat Man is dropped.>
A: surrender!
J: No!
<Russia declares war>
A: surrender, damnit!
J: Come and get us, white boys!
<Little Boy is dropped>
A:Surrender!
J:No
Emperor: This is nuts! We surrender.I find those reasons less than credible.
Here's what a bunch of crazy, peacenik commies have to say:
President Dwight D. Eisenhower--"The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."
Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy--"It is my opinion that the use of that barbarous weapon at H & N was of no material assistance in our war against Japan."
General Curtis LeMay--"The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war."
And, finally, those long-haired hippies at the United States Strategic Bombing Survey had the following to say in 1946:
"The H & N bombs did not defeat Japan, nor by the testimony of the enemy leaders who ended the war did they persuade Japan to accept unconditional surrender. The Emperor, the Lord Privy Seal, the Prime Minister, the Foreign Minister and the Navy Minister had decided as early as May of 1945 that the war should be ended even if it meant acceptance of defeat on allied terms."
Where is May of 1945 in your timeline?
