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I don't feel pleasure at this news. I feel...sad? A little dismayed at the celebrations back home. I'm...conflicted over it, I guess.I do not hold to the taboo that we should never be happy at the death of someone.Some people do more for the world by leaving it than they ever could by sticking around. I spent some of Saturday afternoon at a funeral where I mostly envisioned myself strangling the deceased, who treated a loved one very badly for a very long time. That and playing Mad Libs with the sermon.
Ditto. Bin Laden made his choices. I sympathize with the victims, not the perpetrator (unless their mentally ill or had an equally abused life, none of which applies to Bin Laden).
The fact that he was killed is, of course, a different thing. My preferred scenario would have been to take him alive, haul his ass back to NYC, try him in federal court, convict him, then ship his ass down to DC for a second trial, convict him there, then haul his ass over to that place in Pennsylvania for the third trial, convict his ass there, then stick him in maximum security for the rest of his natural life.
Nah. Enough wasting tax-payers' money.
Good riddance.
Happy he's dead.
I'll sleep cozy in my bed and be contented in the fact that he's no longer among the living.
Obama overheard last night: "HEY DONALD, TRUMP THAT!"
The BBC are saying that he's been "buried at sea". Smart. I think.
Bin Laden was an evil bastard and deserved to die but to celebrate his death is just as bad as making a martyr out him.I WILL celebrate his death and if that makes me a so-called "bad person", well, I've heard worse. (BTW, Xabulba, the families whose relatives were killed in 911 "bad people" as well if, they, too, they celebrate his death? Or should they be praying for his soul to be delivered to the Islamic Heaven for just existing?)
First, if the families of the victims are celebrating the death of Bin Laden, it's no any of my personal concern; secondly, if they are celebrating the death, then it is out of a personal sense of vengeance, I'd wager, than being in line with any manner of faith they may hold. Thirdly, if they ARE of a faith that calls for (or facilitates) prayer, then their prayer to their believed maker of choice should be that, if they believe their transgressor has a soul, that it sit in judgment before their creator for the sum of their deeds, nothing more, nothing less. To do otherwise would be to presume to know the ways of their maker, or to be in blatant violation of the tenants of their own faith.
There's this little concept, called being the better person. If you happen to be a self-proclaimed Christian and are celebrating his death, then it is an act of hubris and vainglory, and out of line with your supposed faith. To quote, Proverbs 24:17 - Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles; or the LORD will see it and be displeased, and turn His anger away from him.
If you're Muslim, and celebrating his death, then you are committing an evil deed, no matter how utterly human the justification is for the need to find joy in the death of a man who has not only befouled the good name of a faith shared by one third of the planet's populace, but drawn enmity from other faiths the world over onto Islam. “And good and evil deeds are not alike. Repel evil with good. And he who is your enemy will become your dearest friend.” (41:33-34)
If you are Buddhist and celebrating the death of a person who did a terrible deed, on top of other terrible deeds, then it is a deviation from the Path. While certainly human, it is not helpful on the journey to Enlightenment. "Whenever you hear that someone else has been successful, rejoice. Always practice rejoicing for others--whether your friend or your enemy. If you cannot practice rejoicing, no matter how long you live, you will not be happy." That isn't to say one cannot celebrate the progress along the wheel of Karma and the great cycle of death and rebirth, but one can look at it from the perspective of being no longer able to accumulate greater Karmic debt.
I do not take joy in his death, even as I find satisfaction in his end; I do not believe that those who celebrate his death hold vast sums of evil in their hearts, and I at least understand why they feel as they do, even as I disagree. What I do believe, in regards to this matter, is that not only is the best vengeance living well, but transcending the wrong that was inflicted, to emerge a better, stronger person.
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Bin Laden was an evil bastard and deserved to die but to celebrate his death is just as bad as making a martyr out him.I WILL celebrate his death and if that makes me a so-called "bad person", well, I've heard worse. (BTW, Xabulba, the families whose relatives were killed in 911 "bad people" as well if, they, too, they celebrate his death? Or should they be praying for his soul to be delivered to the Islamic Heaven for just existing?)First, if the families of the victims are celebrating the death of Bin Laden, it's no any of my personal concern; secondly, if they are celebrating the death, then it is out of a personal sense of vengeance, I'd wager, than being in line with any manner of faith they may hold. Thirdly, if they ARE of a faith that calls for (or facilitates) prayer, then their prayer to their believed maker of choice should be that, if they believe their transgressor has a soul, that it sit in judgment before their creator for the sum of their deeds, nothing more, nothing less. To do otherwise would be to presume to know the ways of their maker, or to be in blatant violation of the tenants of their own faith.
There's this little concept, called being the better person. If you happen to be a self-proclaimed Christian and are celebrating his death, then it is an act of hubris and vainglory, and out of line with your supposed faith. To quote, Proverbs 24:17 - Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles; or the LORD will see it and be displeased, and turn His anger away from him.
If you're Muslim, and celebrating his death, then you are committing an evil deed, no matter how utterly human the justification is for the need to find joy in the death of a man who has not only befouled the good name of a faith shared by one third of the planet's populace, but drawn enmity from other faiths the world over onto Islam. “And good and evil deeds are not alike. Repel evil with good. And he who is...
Sorry to disappoint you, but I fit in none of your neat little categories. For me, a person's "humanity" is built partially by their actions, and Osama lost it when he systematically planned, then executed, all those people's death.
The world is slightly less evil today, and I found that somewhat uplifting.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I fit in none of your neat little categories. For me, a person's "humanity" is built partially by their actions, and Osama lost it when he systematically planned, then executed, all those people's death.
Which is, of course, all the excuse you need to renounce you own, yes?
Perhaps a more apt phrasing would be the old adage about not wrestling with pigs, because all that will be accomplished is fouling the both of you with excrement, and the pig will enjoy it.
Another way to look at it - don't become what you hate.
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He was never gonna be taken alive. And no I am not a damned bit ashamed at the joy I felt at his death, some people need killing.
THis made my f~!@ing day. Folks with the drinks, take a shot for me.
This...100%.
When my roommmate first broke the news to me, I was sitting down watching the episode of Game of Thrones that I had DVR'd. I didn't know whether to believe him or not at first, so I continued to watch the TV. Later when I got on the computer to check up on something else entirely, the various news outlets online were heralding the news. It made made my night, day, week, month and year knowing that the hunt for him was finally over.
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Another way to look at it - don't become what you hate.
I have no desire to start planning and systematically attack people just because they're different from me and/or do things I find utterly repulsive (e.g., women beaten for "infidelity" because they were raped and thus "dishonored" their family; a starving man's hand is cut off because he stole bread; etc). I have an odd view: toleration, not understanding.
Bin Laden was an evil bastard and deserved to die but to celebrate his death is just as bad as making a martyr out him.I WILL celebrate his death and if that makes me a so-called "bad person", well, I've heard worse. (BTW, Xabulba, the families whose relatives were killed in 911 "bad people" as well if, they, too, they celebrate his death? Or should they be praying for his soul to be delivered to the Islamic Heaven for just existing?)First, if the families of the victims are celebrating the death of Bin Laden, it's no any of my personal concern; secondly, if they are celebrating the death, then it is out of a personal sense of vengeance, I'd wager, than being in line with any manner of faith they may hold. Thirdly, if they ARE of a faith that calls for (or facilitates) prayer, then their prayer to their believed maker of choice should be that, if they believe their transgressor has a soul, that it sit in judgment before their creator for the sum of their deeds, nothing more, nothing less. To do otherwise would be to presume to know the ways of their maker, or to be in blatant violation of the tenants of their own faith.
There's this little concept, called being the better person. If you happen to be a self-proclaimed Christian and are celebrating his death, then it is an act of hubris and vainglory, and out of line with your supposed faith. To quote, Proverbs 24:17 - Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles; or the LORD will see it and be displeased, and turn His anger away from him.
If you're Muslim, and celebrating his death, then you are committing an evil deed, no matter how utterly human the justification is for the need to find joy in the death of a man who has not only befouled the good name of a faith shared by one third of the planet's populace, but drawn enmity from other faiths the world over onto Islam. “And good and evil deeds are not alike. Repel evil with good. And he who is...
While I am not as religious as most I did find this interesting so I listed it. It will also be interesting to see the responses to it.
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Celebrating the death of someone who procured the mass murder of three-thousand odd people plus is not equivalent to actually procuring the death of three-thousand odd people. So "becoming what you hate" is wide of the mark. I do think that the "street party atmosphere" is a bit odd, but not necessarily unwarranted. I suspect that this won't make an awful lot of difference in the long term - al Quaeda is more an idea than an organisation as such, and bin Laden isn't the kingpin he once was. But it does demonstrate that America will catch up with you in the end, which is a psychological victory of sorts.
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I understand...to some degree...the dismay that some of you feel at the celebrations taking place.
Understand, not agree.
I am a Christian and I am happy that he's dead. I'm happy that my country, my home and my family are a little safer now than it was 12 hours ago. I'm happy to know that justice, true justice, has been done. I'm happy to know that there won't be a trial, because I don't want to have endure the whole ordeal of 9/11 being dredged up again to empower his faithful. I'm happy that he was buried at sea so that his grave can't be used as pilgrimage site. I'm happy to know that millions (or even billions) of taxpayer dollars won't be spent any more on this guy after some DNA tests are done to actually confirm that it was truly him.
And I'm happy to know that as the nation wakes up and receives this wonderful news, that I won't be alone.
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I suspect that this won't make an awful lot of difference in the long term - al Quaeda is more an idea than an organisation as such, and bin Laden isn't the kingpin he once was. But it does demonstrate that America will catch up with you in the end, which is a psychological victory of sorts.
Yah. There's already discussion that his role was mostly symbolic by this time.
Celebrating the death of someone who procured the mass murder of three-thousand odd people plus is not equivalent to actually procuring the death of three-thousand odd people. So "becoming what you hate" is wide of the mark. I do think that the "street party atmosphere" is a bit odd, but not necessarily unwarranted. I suspect that this won't make an awful lot of difference in the long term - al Quaeda is more an idea than an organisation as such, and bin Laden isn't the kingpin he once was. But it does demonstrate that America will catch up with you in the end, which is a psychological victory of sorts.
At the risk of being inflammatory...
I'm not going to impugn you with claims of willful obtuseness or deliberate circumvention of the intended point; perhaps I could be clearer in demonstrating the desire to not become akin to that which most default to describing as 'our enemies'. Perhaps this clarification will help.
I have no desire to start planning and systematically attack people just because they're different from me and/or do things I find utterly repulsive (e.g., women beaten for "infidelity" because they were raped and thus "dishonored" their family; a starving man's hand is cut off because he stole bread; etc). I have an odd view: toleration, not understanding.
You, however, I will grant no such courtesy, due to the failure to differentiate (or, perhaps, the deliberate choice to conflate) cultural baggage from theological practice. Things may be all manners of, to be crass, 'mashed up bag of jackass' in regards to cultural difference between whence and hence; that barely excuses ignorance (if genuine and not researched) and certainly does not pardon willful obfuscation. To do that in regards to Islam would be on par with confusing Southern Baptists with Abortion Clinic Bombers, Prop 8 Bigots from California, and the sorts of frothing bigots that genuinely believe the claim that the Haiti Earthquake was the results of speculated deals with the devil to gain their independence.
I trust you'll not attempt to retort with the No Real Scotsman fallacy.
I don't feel pleasure at this news. I feel...sad? A little dismayed at the celebrations back home. I'm...conflicted over it, I guess.
Odd. I share your feelings. I was in on 9-11, and this has been a long time coming. But I don't feel we've gained any real victory here. It feels empty.
I understand...to some degree...the dismay that some of you feel at the celebrations taking place.
Understand, not agree.
I am a Christian and I am happy that he's dead. I'm happy that my country, my home and my family are a little safer now than it was 12 hours ago. I'm happy to know that justice, true justice, has been done. I'm happy to know that there won't be a trial, because I don't want to have endure the whole ordeal of 9/11 being dredged up again to empower his faithful. I'm happy that he was buried at sea so that his grave can't be used as pilgrimage site. I'm happy to know that millions (or even billions) of taxpayer dollars won't be spent any more on this guy after some DNA tests are done to actually confirm that it was truly him.
And I'm happy to know that as the nation wakes up and receives this wonderful news, that I won't be alone.
I am glad for your gladness, even as it is in direct contradiction with your faith. It is a very human admission, even as it is not terribly Christian.
Pragmatically, I'm very glad that he will not longer be the biggest sink of money we didn't need in the history of ever this side of the Wall Street Bailouts, or at least not continuing to accrue money for said purposes. I'm not exactly of any manner of religion or faith, yet for all my practical understanding of the joy that others may feel in his death, I would hope people would be honest in their juxtaposition of proclaimed faith versus their overt behavior.
This may come as a shock to people that might think I'm faith-baiting, because I am genuinely not into that. What I want is for people to have greater dignity than to be howling apes flinging literal and metaphorical feces (while acknowledging how great the impetus is in this moment, given that the last time this happened, well, it helped further fuel Godwin's Law).
I don't feel pleasure at this news. I feel...sad? A little dismayed at the celebrations back home. I'm...conflicted over it, I guess.Odd. I share your feelings. I was in on 9-11, and this has been a long time coming. But I don't feel we've gained any real victory here. It feels empty.
The biggest part of my personal internal conflict is not with Bin Laden's death, in and of itself; you'd hear no argument from me about the fact that he not only had to go, but more than deserved the manner of his demise. What troubles me more than anything else is the implications it caries for our slip into greater levels of Machiavellian self-justification and the price of disproportionate retribution, the ease with which such causes are subverted for personal gain, and the fact that we've compromised a great number of things that made America as noble a country as it has been for years past. I don't want to, in comic book terms for an increasingly Saturday Morning Cartoon Morality world, have the past decade prove to be our national Start of Darkness.
Celebrating the death of a villain, rather than engaging in celebrating the vindication of the lost, makes for a rather disgusting reflection on the proverbial soul of our country.
Cathartic, most certainly!
But still an ugly blot on the Shining City on the Hill, to quote many.
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Odd. I share your feelings. I was in on 9-11, and this has been a long time coming. But I don't feel we've gained any real victory here. It feels empty.
I was in basic training on 9/11. I have served on active duty since then, through both wars. And I really just hope we can come home from both fronts soon.
Odd. I share your feelings. I was in on 9-11, and this has been a long time coming. But I don't feel we've gained any real victory here. It feels empty.I was in basic training on 9/11. I have served on active duty since then, through both wars. And I really just hope we can come home from both fronts soon.
+10K.
This, more than anything else, is my biggest concern, not out of active duty concerns myself (non-Military, thank you very much, Uncle Sam was too damned literally involved in my life for the first 18 years of it), but because I've lost too many family members and friends to this damned series of conflicts. I wholeheartedly respect their duty, even when I disagree with their boss (or don't, depending on said boss and approaches), and would rather them not HAVE to do that anymore. Much like doctors who would rather never see a child born with all manners of deformities again, I know it's a pipe dream, but I can still hope that it is over, and our troops can come home, reintegrate, and maybe turn to revitalizing the domestic front, especially with regards to infrastructure and more humanitarian uses of our capabilities.
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I understand...to some degree...the dismay that some of you feel at the celebrations taking place.
Understand, not agree.
I am a Christian and I am happy that he's dead. I'm happy that my country, my home and my family are a little safer now than it was 12 hours ago. I'm happy to know that justice, true justice, has been done. I'm happy to know that there won't be a trial, because I don't want to have endure the whole ordeal of 9/11 being dredged up again to empower his faithful. I'm happy that he was buried at sea so that his grave can't be used as pilgrimage site. I'm happy to know that millions (or even billions) of taxpayer dollars won't be spent any more on this guy after some DNA tests are done to actually confirm that it was truly him.
And I'm happy to know that as the nation wakes up and receives this wonderful news, that I won't be alone.
I am glad for your gladness, even as it is in direct contradiction with your faith. It is a very human admission, even as it is not terribly Christian.
Pragmatically, I'm very glad that he will not longer be the biggest sink of money we didn't need in the history of ever this side of the Wall Street Bailouts, or at least not continuing to accrue money for said purposes. I'm not exactly of any manner of religion or faith, yet for all my practical understanding of the joy that others may feel in his death, I would hope people would be honest in their juxtaposition of proclaimed faith versus their overt behavior.
This may come as a shock to people that might think I'm faith-baiting, because I am genuinely not into that. What I want is for people to have greater dignity than to be howling apes flinging literal and metaphorical feces (while acknowledging how great the impetus is in this moment, given that the last time this happened, well, it helped further fuel Godwin's Law).
...I don't feel pleasure at this news. I feel...sad? A little dismayed at the celebrations back
When you say that you're glad for my gladness, I can't help but feel like you're patting me on the head, with you telling me that you're a much better person than I could ever hope to be and that it'll be okay. That may not be what you're doing or even your intent, but its how you're coming across to me.
Which is fine, because right now I don't want to be the better person. I've been that person for 9 and a half years. I think that we as a nation are entitled to feeling happy and celebrating that feeling, given what we've had to endure.
Now if we can only take out Qaddafi...
I'm 'glad for your gladness'.
100% with you.
Bin Laden was an evil bastard and deserved to die but to celebrate his death is just as bad as making a martyr out him.I WILL celebrate his death and if that makes me a so-called "bad person", well, I've heard worse (e.g, geek, nerd, slanty-eyes, four-eyes, f#~, weirdo, etc.)
If the victims families get closure that's great. I'm just saying if we celebrate his death how are we any different than the people who celebrated the deaths of the 9-11 victims in the first place. We as a nation are supposed to better than that.
JUSTICE IS SERVED! I just hope Osama Bin Laden suffered before he died.
Now, how will the Rightwing spin this so it doesn't benefit President Obama, who they hate and want to destroy? Right, as we speak, they are having meetings trying to come up with a stragedy. However, there isn't any way they can. The Rightwing, hard core conservative president George W. Bush couldn't find Osama and kill him. However, the so called leftist, liberal, weak President Barrack Obama is able to get it done. Do you think he's a radical secret Muslim now, Rightwingers?
I think any celebration is premature... There is still a war on there are people still serving overseas, there are still civilians being caught in the middle.
I will commemorate those that died in the terrorist attacks on 9/11 and those brave men and women that have died or been scared serving an often inept and unguided political response, and I will commemorate the innocent civilians caught in the middle.
I will take a deep breath and wait for all sides to grow tired of the bloodshed and for this war to wind down.
Then I will wish for the people of this planet to get there s@+% together and work to make this place better for every body regardless of gender, race, colour, ethnicity, religion, political or sexual preference.
JUSTICE IS SERVED! I just hope Osama Bin Laden suffered before he died.
Now, how will the Rightwing spin this so it doesn't benefit President Obama, who they hate and want to destroy? Right, as we speak, they are having meetings trying to come up with a stragedy. However, there isn't any way they can. The Rightwing, hard core conservative president George W. Bush couldn't find Osama and kill him. However, the so called leftist, liberal, weak President Barrack Obama is able to get it done. Do you think he's a radical secret Muslim now, Rightwingers?
You and Dingo are my least favourite crazies on this board.
Damn, but local news is being annoyingly jingoistic.
When you say that you're glad for my gladness, I can't help but feel like you're patting me on the head, with you telling me that you're a much better person than I could ever hope to be and that it'll be okay. That may not be what you're doing or even your intent, but its how you're coming across to me.
Which, truth be told, I'm glad for you pointing out to me, as my intent is genuinely not to patronize; it's a difficult concept to express in any VERBAL form, never mind textual. It's like...what's the opposite of schadenfreude? The antonym of 'sour grapes'? It's not something I even want to express on a regular basis, but right now, that's the closest expression of sympathetic understanding of elation, even with some reserved disagreement.
Frankly, I'll say it as I have been prone to telling to anyone and everyone that knows me personally - I'm a horrible person, I'm not as funny as other people claim, and this is one of many reasons why I can't have nice things. I don't feel that I'm a better person as a general rule, with the prime exceptions being those who plug their ears and go 'LA LA LA LA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH CAN'T HEAR YOU' when confronted with something that conflicts with their worldview. I have no qualms with being wrong, and have been on a regular basis, though you'll not catch me admitting it anywhere but here, guaranteeing that it will be quoted forever into perpetuity. It's not the point of this particular frustrated expression of dissent from those that express jubilation in a death, no matter how heinous the deeds of the deceased.
I'd be lying if I didn't think that the world is a better place minus Bin Laden. I'm sure that most of his family, whom have either disowned or disavowed themselves of him, aren't thinking fondly of him now. At the same time, I would like to think we'd carry ourselves with better decorum, a slightly more serious, possibly stoic gravitas, in humble acknowledgement of the work of our troops, as well as those of the other involved nations, instead of acting out the worst of our schadenfreude fantasies and behaving with all the dignity of drunken frat boys over the ending of one single man, not because of any fear of repercussion by his zealots and followers, but because we do not want to stoop to such petty levels.
On a somewhat lighter note, it brings that whole Eddie Izzard British Ambitions line to mind, specifically that part about scaling it back a bit. I'd like to think with the Bin Laden's death the world over will scale back the crazy and the hate.
I know it's also somewhat rainbows-and-unicorns optimistic of me, made sillier in that it would make sense for me to feel that way if I WAS religious. That I'm not makes it all the more frustrating for me, and vexing in that it comes across as patronizing, rather than genuine sincere happiness for others tinged with reservations.
I'd rather sow joy than reap hate.
And here I thought that this was a safe thread to read.
And here I thought that this was a safe thread to read.
Of course not!!!!
JUSTICE IS SERVED! I just hope Osama Bin Laden suffered before he died.
Now, how will the Rightwing spin this so it doesn't benefit President Obama, who they hate and want to destroy? Right, as we speak, they are having meetings trying to come up with a stragedy. However, there isn't any way they can. The Rightwing, hard core conservative president George W. Bush couldn't find Osama and kill him. However, the so called leftist, liberal, weak President Barrack Obama is able to get it done. Do you think he's a radical secret Muslim now, Rightwingers?
Obama's administration found him with the help of the progress Bush's people made during his administration. This is not 2 separate operations, it's been one long manhunt.
Seriously, It's not like Obama walked into office, threw away every shred of progress Bush's people made and started over. It's been one long operation.
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To be honest, I'm surprised the Son of a sow was still alive.
And yes, I'm glad he's dead.
I don't think he should have been 'taken alive' or put on trial. It's like the '9/11 Mastermind' they wanted to try in NYC. When you have the AG saying that there's no chance of him being found 'not guilty'... you've completely destroyed any pretense of a 'fair trial'. They're war criminals and under Geneva desrve no protections.
Good one on the administration for pulling the trigger, and good one of our boys in Uniform for getting the job done.
Anyone else find it at least a little funny(maybe ironic), that his body was disposed at sea, where he'll never be found?
I understand the religious implications of his burial, and the strategic placement so as not to have a grave site to claim/defend, I just find it hilarious after the maddening decade long search, we made sure he'll never be found.
Anyone else find it at least a little funny(maybe ironic), that his body was disposed at sea, where he'll never be found?
I understand the religious implications of his burial, and the strategic placement so as not to have a grave site to claim/defend, I just find it hilarious after the maddening decade long search, we made sure he'll never be found.
Now they can go through what we went through.
On another note I am sure Pakistan is going to huff and puff since we illegally entered their country, but had they practiced better restraint it would not have happened. I don't believe they had no idea he was there.
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I hate to spoil a party, maybe my limp-wristed european pussyness is in the way - but seriously? Celebrating a government-authorized hit? I know its not really big on the US scale of priorities anymore, but due process, anybody? The military shouldn't have the authority to act as judge, jury and executioner.
If, after 6 years of the most brutal warfare ever, the Allies managed to conduct trials for men who committed crimes orders of magnitude more heinous than anything ABL could pull off, why isn't it possible here? Expose his rotten, lying propaganda, have a jury (or if you absolutely need, a military tribunal) pronounce a sentence, and if you must, kill him, or at least lock him up for his remaining few days.
Given the circumstances or ObL's death, I don't want to hear anything out of Pakistan other than ass-kissing.
If I had the shot, I would have taken it without a moment's hesitation. The world is a better place. That being said, I can not celebrate. I do not begrudge those that do. I question whether he is worth the emotion.
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I read that they found him in Pakistan in some place called Abbottabad. The first think I thought was "Hey, they must really like Bud Abbott".
Who's on first?
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I hate to spoil a party, maybe my limp-wristed european pussyness is in the way - but seriously? Celebrating a government-authorized hit? I know its not really big on the US scale of priorities anymore, but due process, anybody? The military shouldn't have the authority to act as judge, jury and executioner.
If, after 6 years of the most brutal warfare ever, the Allies managed to conduct trials for men who committed crimes orders of magnitude more heinous than anything ABL could pull off, why isn't it possible here? Expose his rotten, lying propaganda, have a jury (or if you absolutely need, a military tribunal) pronounce a sentence, and if you must, kill him, or at least lock him up for his remaining few days.
You're not spoiling a party. Look at it this way. We treated him in accordance with the Geneva conventions. Perfectly European traditions :-)
Anyone else find it at least a little funny(maybe ironic), that his body was disposed at sea, where he'll never be found?
I understand the religious implications of his burial, and the strategic placement so as not to have a grave site to claim/defend, I just find it hilarious after the maddening decade long search, we made sure he'll never be found.
They took pictures and video just in case a hard core Rightwinger like you who start another stupid conspiracy theory that Osama isn't really dead. Justic is done. The families of the dead from 9/11 can at least feel good about that. President Bush could have gotten Osama at Tora Bora if he was doing his job correctly. He didn't send enough troops.
What is shocking is that Osama was living out in the open in Pakistan under their military protection. So lets make it clear this is a victory for America under the leadership of President Obama. He told the CIA director to make it a #1 priority, and he gave the order to the US troops to kill the SOB. I hope he is sharing a cell with Saddam in Hell!
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It is highly unlikely that the Pakistani government did not approve this in advance. The town of Abbottabad is described as being a half-day drive from the Afghan border. I don't know what time frame that figures for helicopter travel but it seems unlikely that they could have flown in four choppers without the prior knowledge of the Pakistanis.
According to the articles I've read, the U.S. didn't tell anyone else about it until it was all over - especially Pakistan, since they were worried about terrorist sympathizers.
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Anyone else find it at least a little funny(maybe ironic), that his body was disposed at sea, where he'll never be found?
I understand the religious implications of his burial, and the strategic placement so as not to have a grave site to claim/defend, I just find it hilarious after the maddening decade long search, we made sure he'll never be found.
They took pictures and video just in case a hard core Rightwinger like you who start another stupid conspiracy theory that Osama isn't really dead. Justic is done. The families of the dead from 9/11 can at least feel good about that. President Bush could have gotten Osama at Tora Bora if he was doing his job correctly. He didn't send enough troops.
What is shocking is that Osama was living out in the open in Pakistan under their military protection. So lets make it clear this is a victory for America under the leadership of President Obama. He told the CIA director to make it a #1 priority, and he gave the order to the US troops to kill the SOB. I hope he is sharing a cell with Saddam in Hell!
Maybe mommy and daddy need to take away your computer rights?
I'm sure the Zombie has better taste than that. Even with his necrotic palate.
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I know you are just one walking corpse, and would never presume to speak for undeaddom as a whole. But I would like to ask: If you had the chance to gnosh down on Bin Laden's remains, would you?It is highly unlikely that the Pakistani government did not approve this in advance. The town of Abbottabad is described as being a half-day drive from the Afghan border. I don't know what time frame that figures for helicopter travel but it seems unlikely that they could have flown in four choppers without the prior knowledge of the Pakistanis.According to the articles I've read, the U.S. didn't tell anyone else about it until it was all over - especially Pakistan, since they were worried about terrorist sympathizers.
Not even if it were served up on a silver platter, carried on the backs of the three people I dislike most in the world, with 1000 nubile and naked playmate level hot chicks dancing all around and urging me on.