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. . . HARRUMPH.

(Clothed, this time.)


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Freehold DM wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:

Today is our last day that *ought* to be a work/school day but isn't, so we're off to Dinosaur Valley State Park in Glen Rose, Texas. While every natural history museum and major university in the state has at least one of these footprints (chiseled and lifted out verrrrry carefully) in their collections, there is nothing like seeing the tracks together along the riverbed. Plus you get to swim and splash around in a clear, lazy, shallow river in the hot Texas summer, which is awesome. I haven't been there since college, and WW hasn't been since he was a kid, and we've never taken Hermione and Val (each time we've tried, either the river has been in flood, or there have been bad storms, or something like that).

Of course, Texas being Texas, ** spoiler omitted **

it worries me that every time I say "well, that's the dumbest thing I have ever heard of!" you keep coming up with evidence to the contrary.
If that's the dumbest thing you've ever heard, I could point you to a fair many things that would shatter that foundation and reveal many lower layers of idiocy basement. Buckle up.
there...there are SUB LEVELS?!?

Yeah. Where else would we store the sandwiches?


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Scintillae wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
lisamarlene wrote:

Today is our last day that *ought* to be a work/school day but isn't, so we're off to Dinosaur Valley State Park in Glen Rose, Texas. While every natural history museum and major university in the state has at least one of these footprints (chiseled and lifted out verrrrry carefully) in their collections, there is nothing like seeing the tracks together along the riverbed. Plus you get to swim and splash around in a clear, lazy, shallow river in the hot Texas summer, which is awesome. I haven't been there since college, and WW hasn't been since he was a kid, and we've never taken Hermione and Val (each time we've tried, either the river has been in flood, or there have been bad storms, or something like that).

Of course, Texas being Texas, ** spoiler omitted **

it worries me that every time I say "well, that's the dumbest thing I have ever heard of!" you keep coming up with evidence to the contrary.
If that's the dumbest thing you've ever heard, I could point you to a fair many things that would shatter that foundation and reveal many lower layers of idiocy basement. Buckle up.
there...there are SUB LEVELS?!?
Yeah. Where else would we store the sandwiches?

boooooooooo!


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Sandwich of stupidity.


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SF twist:

You know how various species are given hats in SF or Fantasy?

Human hat might be the ability to B$-t themselves to a degree incomprehensible to other species.

On the other (more depressing) hand, the ability to delude oneself might or might not be an unavoidable keystone of sapient life.


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Ah, sometimes you've got to respect the sheer brilliance of the cluelessness of teenagers.

Impus Major has two desks and a cat tree, all covered with his crap. Then he has a little table next to his main desk, and a wastebasket.

He puts all his new stuff on the little table. Which gets more and more laden with crap in an ever-increasing mountain of uselessness.

And the wastebasket is right next to the little table, dealing with overflow falling of the table quite efficiently.

I have no idea how much stuff he's lost over the years through this unintentional, involuntary mechanism, but I for one think it's a great idea...


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I've been adjusting to my new work relatively well. Glad I can finally get by on a decent budget.

Scarab Sages

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Freehold DM wrote:
Woran wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Woran wrote:
I'm going to look at a kitty tomorrow!
but...what about your rats?

There have been several cats in the house. (who just walk in when the doors are open).

The rats have shown a complete lack of interest in the cats. Which in turn, makes the cats loose interest real quick as well.

....

Are you some kind of Disney princess?

Nah. Its just cats. We dont have a cat that owns us, which leaves us free to be claimed by other cats.

Sadly it didnt work with the kitty we went to see.


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Icyshadow wrote:
I've been adjusting to my new work relatively well. Glad I can finally get by on a decent budget.

Glad to hear. Glad to hear.


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Yeah. Forgot if I mentioned it, but I found work as IT support.


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Hello, everyone!


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Icyshadow wrote:
Yeah. Forgot if I mentioned it, but I found work as IT support.

Awww... Crap.

Wait for Vany to share with you stories of IT support he provides and prepare to weep over your future fate.


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Drejk wrote:
Icyshadow wrote:
Yeah. Forgot if I mentioned it, but I found work as IT support.

Awww... Crap.

Wait for Vany to share with you stories of IT support he provides and prepare to weep over your future fate.

{whispers to unseen listeners:} Yes, yes, you all float down here... I get it. Shhhh, shhhh! SHHH! The FaWtLies are listening right now.

Ahem. So, uh, Icy (and Vany), is it I.T. support, or It support?

NO! Hide the balloons! That's a dead give away. Do you even understand how surprise is supposed to work?!


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Long-winded coding gripe I'm not going to spoiler 'cause TacticsLion:

Old-school programming languages were very persnickety about you having to tell them when you were done with a line of code. So every line had to end with a semicolon. Similarly, you had to enclose every argument with parentheses so that the computer would know, "Oh, he means that exactly this phrase is an argument."

So, many, many thousands of hours were lost due to coders forgetting to put a semicolon or parentheses in the right place. I still remember a 45-minute debugging session with a student to track down a single misplaced period.

Enter "modern" code like Groovy where semicolons and parentheses are optional, because the computer "can figure out what you mean".

Ooooooh, boy.

Suffice it to say, as a mathematician who has seen thousands of errors spawned by nothing more than a lack of parentheses, the idea that they're "inconvenient" in code and should be done away with is anathema to me.

Yes, we're seeing a whole new generation of stupid errors due to programmer laziness feature abuse.

And now, for the next 3 days, I'll be updating a course because the reviewer insists that I delete all the extra semicolons and parentheses from the code I wrote.

Er... my code's more readable, maintainable, and less error-prone, thanks!
Doesn't matter. Get rid of those semicolons!

*SIGH*


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Something just seems wrong about using the words "modern" and "groovy" in the same sentence.


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"Hey, we're holding open auditions for [community theatre show] this week. Does your school have any students who might be interested?"

Well...probably. Unfortunately, I won't see most of said interested kiddos for another two weeks, and there's a minimal at best chance that any of them will check their email until school starts back up.

Timing!


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NobodysHome wrote:

Long-winded coding gripe I'm not going to spoiler 'cause TacticsLion:

Old-school programming languages were very persnickety about you having to tell them when you were done with a line of code. So every line had to end with a semicolon. Similarly, you had to enclose every argument with parentheses so that the computer would know, "Oh, he means that exactly this phrase is an argument."

So, many, many thousands of hours were lost due to coders forgetting to put a semicolon or parentheses in the right place. I still remember a 45-minute debugging session with a student to track down a single misplaced period.

Enter "modern" code like Groovy where semicolons and parentheses are optional, because the computer "can figure out what you mean".

Ooooooh, boy.

Suffice it to say, as a mathematician who has seen thousands of errors spawned by nothing more than a lack of parentheses, the idea that they're "inconvenient" in code and should be done away with is anathema to me.

Yes, we're seeing a whole new generation of stupid errors due to programmer laziness feature abuse.

And now, for the next 3 days, I'll be updating a course because the reviewer insists that I delete all the extra semicolons and parentheses from the code I wrote.

Er... my code's more readable, maintainable, and less error-prone, thanks!
Doesn't matter. Get rid of those semicolons!

*SIGH*

loads shotgun

Go on...


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Freehold DM wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

...Math... coding... math... coding... math... coding...

Er... my code's more readable, maintainable, and less error-prone, thanks!
Doesn't matter. Get rid of those semicolons!

*SIGH*

loads shotgun

Go on...

Be careful, he probably wields those semi-colons like shuriken.

{packs braces, brackets, and parentheses into a blunderbuss}

Scarab Sages

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Icyshadow wrote:
Yeah. Forgot if I mentioned it, but I found work as IT support.

You have my condolences.

Scarab Sages

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NobodysHome wrote:

Long-winded coding gripe I'm not going to spoiler 'cause TacticsLion:

Old-school programming languages were very persnickety about you having to tell them when you were done with a line of code. So every line had to end with a semicolon. Similarly, you had to enclose every argument with parentheses so that the computer would know, "Oh, he means that exactly this phrase is an argument."

So, many, many thousands of hours were lost due to coders forgetting to put a semicolon or parentheses in the right place. I still remember a 45-minute debugging session with a student to track down a single misplaced period.

Enter "modern" code like Groovy where semicolons and parentheses are optional, because the computer "can figure out what you mean".

Ooooooh, boy.

Suffice it to say, as a mathematician who has seen thousands of errors spawned by nothing more than a lack of parentheses, the idea that they're "inconvenient" in code and should be done away with is anathema to me.

Yes, we're seeing a whole new generation of stupid errors due to programmer laziness feature abuse.

And now, for the next 3 days, I'll be updating a course because the reviewer insists that I delete all the extra semicolons and parentheses from the code I wrote.

Er... my code's more readable, maintainable, and less error-prone, thanks!
Doesn't matter. Get rid of those semicolons!

*SIGH*

I'm just saying, if you murder this guy, and get judged by a jury of your peers, you'll walk free.


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Scintillae wrote:
Something just seems wrong about using the words "modern" and "groovy" in the same sentence.

Because it is classic modern, not new modern, duh.


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I'm helping out with registration today. One of my newly-minted seniors walked up with the deadest eyes I've seen in a while.

"Ms. Scint, I was making puns at work all summer. You're haunting me."

My legacy is secure.


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Woran wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Long-winded coding gripe I'm not going to spoiler 'cause TacticsLion:

Old-school programming languages were very persnickety about you having to tell them when you were done with a line of code. So every line had to end with a semicolon. Similarly, you had to enclose every argument with parentheses so that the computer would know, "Oh, he means that exactly this phrase is an argument."

So, many, many thousands of hours were lost due to coders forgetting to put a semicolon or parentheses in the right place. I still remember a 45-minute debugging session with a student to track down a single misplaced period.

Enter "modern" code like Groovy where semicolons and parentheses are optional, because the computer "can figure out what you mean".

Ooooooh, boy.

Suffice it to say, as a mathematician who has seen thousands of errors spawned by nothing more than a lack of parentheses, the idea that they're "inconvenient" in code and should be done away with is anathema to me.

Yes, we're seeing a whole new generation of stupid errors due to programmer laziness feature abuse.

And now, for the next 3 days, I'll be updating a course because the reviewer insists that I delete all the extra semicolons and parentheses from the code I wrote.

Er... my code's more readable, maintainable, and less error-prone, thanks!
Doesn't matter. Get rid of those semicolons!

*SIGH*

I'm just saying, if you murder this guy, and get judged by a jury of your peers, you'll walk free.

Twelve grumpy old seasoned mathematicians will let nobody go free.


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Woran wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Long-winded coding gripe I'm not going to spoiler 'cause TacticsLion:

Old-school programming languages were very persnickety about you having to tell them when you were done with a line of code. So every line had to end with a semicolon. Similarly, you had to enclose every argument with parentheses so that the computer would know, "Oh, he means that exactly this phrase is an argument."

So, many, many thousands of hours were lost due to coders forgetting to put a semicolon or parentheses in the right place. I still remember a 45-minute debugging session with a student to track down a single misplaced period.

Enter "modern" code like Groovy where semicolons and parentheses are optional, because the computer "can figure out what you mean".

Ooooooh, boy.

Suffice it to say, as a mathematician who has seen thousands of errors spawned by nothing more than a lack of parentheses, the idea that they're "inconvenient" in code and should be done away with is anathema to me.

Yes, we're seeing a whole new generation of stupid errors due to programmer laziness feature abuse.

And now, for the next 3 days, I'll be updating a course because the reviewer insists that I delete all the extra semicolons and parentheses from the code I wrote.

Er... my code's more readable, maintainable, and less error-prone, thanks!
Doesn't matter. Get rid of those semicolons!

*SIGH*

I'm just saying, if you murder this guy, and get judged by a jury of your peers, you'll walk free.

puts on hoodie, t shirt, attempts to join jury


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Drejk wrote:
Twelve grumpy old seasoned mathematicians will let nobody go free.

When human(oids) call another seasoned, they usually mean mature or old.

When goblins (and dragons) call another seasoned, they often mean of the salt/paprika/cayenne/garlic/etc variety.


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Scintillae wrote:
Something just seems wrong about using the words "modern" and "groovy" in the same sentence.

Huh? What? Like, have you not heard that new disc Bird laid down with Dizzy? Get yourself a ticket out of Squaresville, man.


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Oooh... I almost feel bad about this one...

So, we have a "Center of Excellence" that is the final word on best practices.
In that Center of Excellence is a man whom we all respect and fear, who knows all, and whose word is Law.

I've worked with him. I like him and respect him. But I also know that the moment he touches my stuff I'm in for 3-4 hours of brutal revisions to meet his exacting standards.

He is "The Man". But as such, he's very, very busy and we rarely interact. On the bright side, the head of the center is a LONG-time friend and co-worker of mine. (15+ years now.)

NobodysHome: Hey, head of CoE! This engineer I've never heard of wants me to make all these changes! I just wanted to verify that they meet Center of Excellence standards.
Head of CoE (Never one to miss subtext): Oh? I've never heard of that guy. Hey, guru? Sic 'em!

Poor engineer. He was just trying to be helpful...


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Drejk wrote:
Woran wrote:
NobodysHome wrote:

Long-winded coding gripe I'm not going to spoiler 'cause TacticsLion:

Old-school programming languages were very persnickety about you having to tell them when you were done with a line of code. So every line had to end with a semicolon. Similarly, you had to enclose every argument with parentheses so that the computer would know, "Oh, he means that exactly this phrase is an argument."

So, many, many thousands of hours were lost due to coders forgetting to put a semicolon or parentheses in the right place. I still remember a 45-minute debugging session with a student to track down a single misplaced period.

Enter "modern" code like Groovy where semicolons and parentheses are optional, because the computer "can figure out what you mean".

Ooooooh, boy.

Suffice it to say, as a mathematician who has seen thousands of errors spawned by nothing more than a lack of parentheses, the idea that they're "inconvenient" in code and should be done away with is anathema to me.

Yes, we're seeing a whole new generation of stupid errors due to programmer laziness feature abuse.

And now, for the next 3 days, I'll be updating a course because the reviewer insists that I delete all the extra semicolons and parentheses from the code I wrote.

Er... my code's more readable, maintainable, and less error-prone, thanks!
Doesn't matter. Get rid of those semicolons!

*SIGH*

I'm just saying, if you murder this guy, and get judged by a jury of your peers, you'll walk free.
Eleven grumpy old seasoned mathematicians and one masquerading Freehold will hold nobody responsible for his actions.

Smells like...justice...


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Grrraaaarrrr!


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Wow... what an EXTREMELY polite, "Yeah, the other guy's a moron. Do what you're doing because it's better," email.

He didn't use the word "moron" or "idiot" or anything close.

But he definitively defended my position, which pretty much lets me squash annoying guy without regrets.


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Father had a day off, so he called...

And then started to praise a company of a "renowned chemist with 150 patents" that will be coming to a stock market somewhere in the future and that if I had money I should invest into it.

Yeah, no.

The guy might be a decent chemist when it comes to production of cleaning products, but what he promotes on his other website, is a liquid gold that is wonderful remedy on dozens and dozens of illnesses, starting from cancers, varices, farsightedness, and so on. Then proceeds to how a mother cured her child of rubella with that spray (despite his specific statement it won't). Oh, and it removes wrinkles... And is sold as a cosmetic product or diet supplement and absolutely not a drug. There is even a warning that there is absolutely no promise that the product will heal anything and they in no way promote not visiting a professional doctors!

Yeah, the argument led to nowhere as the father did not properly charge his phone for long term talk.

It would be less stressful if he didn't muse about getting 10k credit for the investment...


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Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Twelve grumpy old seasoned mathematicians will let nobody go free.

When human(oids) call another seasoned, they usually mean mature or old.

When goblins (and dragons) call another seasoned, they often mean of the salt/paprika/cayenne/garlic/etc variety.

Hmmm...

Electric chair-grilled or poison-injection marinated... Choices, choices...


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Drejk wrote:

Father had a day off, so he called...

And then started to praise a company of a "renowned chemist with 150 patents" that will be coming to a stock market somewhere in the future and that if I had money I should invest into it.

Yeah, no.

The guy might be a decent chemist when it comes to production of cleaning products, but what he promotes on his other website, is a liquid gold that is wonderful remedy on dozens and dozens of illnesses, starting from cancers, varices, farsightedness, and so on. Then proceeds to how a mother cured her child of rubella with that spray (despite his specific statement it won't). Oh, and it removes wrinkles... And is sold as a cosmetic product or diet supplement and absolutely not a drug. There is even a warning that there is absolutely no promise that the product will heal anything and they in no way promote not visiting a professional doctors!

Yeah, the argument led to nowhere as the father did not properly charge his phone for long term talk.

It would be less stressful if he didn't muse about getting 10k credit for the investment...

Ugh, SO sorry!

You can't exactly tell Dad, "You know, YOU'RE the person empowering snake oil salesmen in the first place!" because it just leads to arguments.

But ouch...


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Well, the most annoying part is that every time he finds such a crack pot he insist that I must watch their videos and when I done that a few times, commented on their lies, omissions, deceptions, or plain ignorance he dismissed my concerns or plainly changed the topic so I simply no longer trust him to listen to me afterwards, thus make me watching them pointless.


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There was a silver lining though. He wasn't drunk.

<.<
>.>

Yet.


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The owner of the FLGS I go to called. My PF2 books are in and have been set aside for me. I will pick them up, Tomorrow.


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NobodysHome's view of the world:
"We're losing thousands of engineer hours a year to engineers forgetting to put semicolons at the ends of lines! It's catastrophically stupid!"
"Well, our choices are to make our engineers code properly, or remove the coding requirement."
"Remove the coding requirement it is!"
"Uh, wait... is that really the best answer....?"


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NobodysHome wrote:
You can't exactly tell Dad, "You know...

Says who?!


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NobodysHome wrote:

NobodysHome's view of the world:

"We're losing thousands of engineer hours a year to engineers forgetting to put semicolons at the ends of lines! It's catastrophically stupid!"
"Well, our choices are to make our engineers code properly, or remove the coding requirement."
"Remove the coding requirement it is!"
"Uh, wait... is that really the best answer....?"

In my times we didn't use semicolons!

Spoiler:
Atari Basic didn't use them (at least for end of line, I think it might have been used for something else... or was that in Turbo Basic XL?), they would be a waste of precious memory anyway, when each line of code was numbered anyway.


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In BASIC, semicolons were statement separators.


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John Napier 698 wrote:
The owner of the FLGS I go to called. My PF2 books are in and have been set aside for me. I will pick them up, Tomorrow.

Yay! Have fun! I was quite impressed with the final product.

The formatting and arrangement is quite a bit different so give it some time to get used to it.


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captain yesterday wrote:
John Napier 698 wrote:
The owner of the FLGS I go to called. My PF2 books are in and have been set aside for me. I will pick them up, Tomorrow.

Yay! Have fun! I was quite impressed with the final product.

The formatting and arrangement is quite a bit different so give it some time to get used to it.

Hey, I learned to play HURPS. PF2 can't be as bad as spending character points for everything, can it?


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I have no idea what that is, so probably not. :-D


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My only complaint with 2nd edition is it's not Starfinder.

Turns out I prefer sci-fi settings and games.

Still, whatever it takes to stick it to 5th edition I say.


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You and your plasma swords, you galactical scamp.


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Woran wrote:
Icyshadow wrote:
Yeah. Forgot if I mentioned it, but I found work as IT support.
You have my condolences.

And you'll have my axe.


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Icyshadow wrote:
Yeah. Forgot if I mentioned it, but I found work as IT support.

Be the unicorn.


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John Napier 698 wrote:
captain yesterday wrote:
John Napier 698 wrote:
The owner of the FLGS I go to called. My PF2 books are in and have been set aside for me. I will pick them up, Tomorrow.

Yay! Have fun! I was quite impressed with the final product.

The formatting and arrangement is quite a bit different so give it some time to get used to it.

Hey, I learned to play HURPS. PF2 can't be as bad as spending character points for everything, can it?

Character points for everything!


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John Napier 698 wrote:
In BASIC, semicolons were statement separators.

Atari BASIC used colons for statement separators. Yeah, it was different in some ways from many other iterations of BASIC.


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Semicolon was used after PRINT to have multiple things written in the same line while comma printed things in separate lines.

Spoiler:
So

10 A$="Birthday": PRINT "Happy ";A$

Would show

Happy Birthday

While

10 A$="Birthday": PRINT "Happy",A$

Would be

Happy
Birthday

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