now i am inclined to lean toward the ranger as the best monster slayer but i can easily see arguments that the Inquisitor is just as good and i can even see the barbarian being pretty good.
so in your opinion which class is the best monster slayer base class and why do you think so.
i am going with non descript monster because i know some classes auto win against specific monsters
That's a stupid question, and you're a fool to ask it. The wizard is clearly the greatest monster-slayer in the game, hands-down, every time.
Once my wizard has single-handedly neutralized any creature you care to name, I will let one of the inferior classes go and finish it off (gotta let the dummies pretend they're useful sometimes).
Melee types used to have some small utility, but PF has made them dead weight in every game you could possibly play. How I loathe any player who would dare to even want to play a fighter. Sheesh! Might as well play a housecat.
That's a stupid question, and you're a fool to ask it. The wizard is clearly the greatest monster-slayer in the game, hands-down, every time.
Yes because a level 1 wizard with all those level 1 spells can really do a number on those monsters!
TriOmegaZero is right, it depends on many factors. Personally, I think that a Cavalier is the best, in terms of pure damage they are ridiculous if you Challenge a dude and then hit them with a Lance with Spirited Charge.
That's a stupid question, and you're a fool to ask it. The wizard is clearly the greatest monster-slayer in the game, hands-down, every time.Yes because a level 1 wizard with all those level 1 spells can really do a number on those monsters!
TriOmegaZero is right, it depends on many factors. Personally, I think that a Cavalier is the best, in terms of pure damage they are ridiculous if you Challenge a dude and then hit them with a Lance with Spirited Charge.
I was being sarcastic. Sorry. You make a good point about the cavalier. Like the ranger and paladin, they're awesome in their element.
That's a stupid question, and you're a fool to ask it. The wizard is clearly the greatest monster-slayer in the game, hands-down, every time.
Once my wizard has single-handedly neutralized any creature you care to name, I will let one of the inferior classes go and finish it off (gotta let the dummies pretend they're useful sometimes).
Melee types used to have some small utility, but PF has made them dead weight in every game you could possibly play. How I loathe any player who would dare to even want to play a fighter. Sheesh! Might as well play a housecat.
Because I know you are being sarcastic I will highlight to everyone he is being sarcastic!
haha :)
Now if I had to say? inquisitor. Hands down to me.
Bane, and greater bane help but are not what makes them amazing.
Monster knowledge rocks (especially if you avidly try not to metagame because you have read the bestiary nine thousand times :P)
probably the killer thing for me that makes them decent on top is the spells they can use to always be prepared for monsters, and if they are tracking and get some time to buff
formidable force to say the least
IMO ofcourse
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Clearly the most powerful is the summoner who cheats or refuses to read the rules. Search the forums. They have Augment Summoning on their Eidolon, Summon swarm using SLAs with Eidolon, non-shared magic item slots that ignore playtest errata, sacrifice HP on any hits instead of nonfatal ones, instant unlimited Eidolon resummons with full hp, etc
I'm going to go with Rogue (especially if it picks up Hide in Plain Sight from Shadowdancer or another place).
With a good Stealth skill he can sneak up on most creatures to get his sneak attack damage.
With good Use Magic Device skill he can use any magic item to buff himself, debuff his foe, attack his foe with spells, teleport, etc.
A comination of Sneak Attack and get away spells could allow the Rogue to hit his enemy hard, get away, come back later and Sneak Attack again.
If weapon damage isn't what he needs, he can sneak attack with a ray spell (from wand, scroll, etc.) from 30ft away to do the type of energy damage needed.
Played right, in theory, a Rogue could take out many creatures without ever getting hit.
Clearly the most powerful is the summoner who cheats or refuses to read the rules. Search the forums. They have Augment Summoning on their Eidolon, Summon swarm using SLAs with Eidolon, non-shared magic item slots that ignore playtest errata, sacrifice HP on any hits instead of nonfatal ones, instant unlimited Eidolon resummons with full hp, etc
Yeah, that one's SOOOOO overpowered ;)
Peasants with pitchforks and torches.
Peasants with pitchforks and torches.
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I am still waiting for a definition of the word "is"
We might need a definition for 'slayer' too.
Hopefully this clears things up... oh wait...
My vote for slayer is WS Druid! At higher levels he can pretty much change into a custom can of whoop-ass... PLUS great spells.
Peasants with pitchforks and torches.
+1
I am still waiting for a definition of the word "is"
We might need a definition for 'slayer' too.
Now thats funny! But to get back to the point....I say a Ranger.
Arcane Archer or Assassin (some preparation needed... ;) )
Nah, I'm with the 'no real best class' ideal on this one. Certainly a melee character or perhaps an Nec/Evoc souped up Sorceror would fit the bill, but I'd probably settle on Cleric if pressed.
I was being sarcastic. Sorry. You make a good point about the cavalier. Like the ranger and paladin, they're awesome in their element.
I see what you were doing there, and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't do that. Please try to maintain the friendly, helpful atmosphere we try to promote in our messageboards.
Sheesh! Might as well play a housecat.
No good! PF nerfed the housecat hard core!
(They really did! It used to be a running joke in some circles back in the 3.X era that the simple housecat would easily murder most level 1 characters, and by joke, I mean a thing that was funny because it was true. And to be 100% clear, this is a Good Change.)
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Slayer of Domiel!
Barring that:
Way too circumstantial to have an objectively universal best-fit, as said upthread.
Inquisitor and ranger best fit the feel of what I'd want to go for with a general monster hunter character. Hell, even rogue and barbarian for some other monster hunter archetypes that appeal to me. You're never going to find a one-size-fits all class for it though.
Looking at it from the angle of Abraham Van Helsing(Peter Cushing and Anthony Hopkins versions plz), Solomon Kane, Vampire Hunter D, the Belmont clan, etc. YMMV
No good! PF nerfed the housecat hard core!
I don't think they did. I just looked them both up:
Hit Dice: ½ d8 (2 hp)
Initiative: +2
Speed: 30 ft. (6 squares)
Armor Class: 14 (+2 size, +2 Dex), touch 14, flat-footed 12
Base Attack/Grapple: +0/-12
Attack: Claw +4 melee (1d2-4)
Full Attack: 2 claws +4 melee (1d2-4) and bite -1 melee (1d3-4)
Space/Reach: 2½ ft./0 ft.
Special Attacks: —
Special Qualities: Low-light vision, scent
Saves: Fort +2, Ref +4, Will +1
Abilities: Str 3, Dex 15, Con 10, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 7
Skills: Balance +10, Climb +6, Hide +16*, Jump +10,
Listen +3, Move Silently +8, Spot +3
Feats: Stealthy, Weapon FinesseB
Environment: Temperate plains
Organization: Domesticated or solitary
Challenge Rating: ¼
Advancement: —
Level Adjustment: —
XP 100
N Tiny animal
Init +2; Senses low-light vision, scent; Perception +5
Defense
AC 14, touch 14, flat-footed 12 (+2 Dex, +2 size)
hp 3 (1d8–1)
Fort +1, Ref +4, Will +1
Offense
Speed 30 ft.
Melee 2 claws +4 (1d2–4), bite +4 (1d3–4)
Space 2-1/2 ft.; Reach 0 ft.
Statistics
Str 3, Dex 15, Con 8, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 7
Base Atk +0; CMB +0; CMD 6 (10 vs. trip)
Feats Weapon Finesse
Skills Climb +6, Perception +5, Stealth +14; Racial Modifiers +4 Climb, +4 Stealth
Ecology
Environment temperate and hot plains or urban
Organization solitary, pair, or pack (3–12)
Treasure none
Cats typically weigh 5–15 pounds when fully grown.
Looks slightly tougher to me. I was hoping they did tone it down though. House cats killing level 1 commoners is just crazy.
I don't think they did. I just looked them both up:
I'd have to dig to find it, but I thought PF introduced a rule to the effect that if you do less than 1 point of damage (e.g., as the cat about always does) it's a point of nonlethal damage instead.
Which, granted, doesn't stop the housecat from beating your barbarian into unconsciousness.
I don't think they did. I just looked them both up:
I'd have to dig to find it, but I thought PF introduced a rule to the effect that if you do less than 1 point of damage (e.g., as the cat about always does) it's a point of nonlethal damage instead.
Which, granted, doesn't stop the housecat from beating your barbarian into unconsciousness.
Although this is funny a house cat could never beat a level one character or a commoner.
He is tiny, and therefor in order to attack it has to occupy the creatures square. makes things way more difficult for mr whiskers.
Not to endlessly threadjack this into Night of the Housecats...
Although this is funny a house cat could never beat a level one character or a commoner.He is tiny, and therefor in order to attack it has to occupy the creatures square. makes things way more difficult for mr whiskers.
Of course, against an unarmed opponent that doesn't matter at all (assuming no improved unarmed strike), and if there are multiple cats, only one draws an AoO each round (assuming no combat reflexes)...
I, for one, welcome our new Meow-Mix-eating overlords.
Well i was actually thinking about this on my own, last night.
An inquistor/Ranger with the knowledge domain power, combine everything from the two classes.
You probably only need say 5 levels of ranger and the rest inquisitor and poof, pick your bad guy, monstrous humanoid? undead? if youve got a specific baddy? that guy would be the slayer.
