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I liked the comic. I assume the punchline is a reference to Blackwing's opinion that he think's of himself as an ancestor of dinosaurs.

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Alex Martin wrote:
I liked the comic. I assume the punchline is a reference to Blackwing's opinion that he think's of himself as an ancestor of dinosaurs.

I thought that he thinks of himself (correctly) as their descendant.


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Belkar has changed. Early in the comic he cared only about killing things. Now he cares for animals. Well... some animals anyway.

-Aaron


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So, Wisdom boost?

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Sissyl wrote:
So, Wisdom boost?

That is what the whole psychedelic episode was about.

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Itchy wrote:

Belkar has changed. Early in the comic he cared only about killing things. Now he cares for animals. Well... some animals anyway.

-Aaron

To back it up 10 pages: "OK, now I know we're doomed. Belkar is acting like a ranger."

Also, Durkon as a bat was awesome, though I have to wonder why the staff didn't convert with the rest of his equipment.


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Lord Fyre wrote:
I thought that he thinks of himself (correctly) as their descendant.

You are correct - I reversed my antonyms when I was typing it.


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Itchy wrote:

Belkar has changed. Early in the comic he cared only about killing things. Now he cares for animals. Well... some animals anyway.

-Aaron

I agree, and I think this comic explains it the best.


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That's pretty good, but I think I enjoy this one the most for Belkar character development.


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Fromper wrote:
Itchy wrote:

Belkar has changed. Early in the comic he cared only about killing things. Now he cares for animals. Well... some animals anyway.

-Aaron

To back it up 10 pages: "OK, now I know we're doomed. Belkar is acting like a ranger."

Also, Durkon as a bat was awesome, though I have to wonder why the staff didn't convert with the rest of his equipment.

Either it is so powerful or Durkon deliberately dropped it before polymorphing and picked up afterwards.

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The staff is what protects him from sunlight. If it merged with his form it stops functioning, and he explodes in two rounds.


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I thought the staff just contained the Protection from Sunlight spell? So he could cast it on himself without having to have it on his list, or if he hadn't prepared it/was out of prepared castings? That's what I got from Malack's explanation, though admittedly I could've misread.

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I think it's good tactics. If he gets hit with another dispel, he has the staff rather than it being merged with him.

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Orthos wrote:
I thought the staff just contained the Protection from Sunlight spell? So he could cast it on himself without having to have it on his list, or if he hadn't prepared it/was out of prepared castings? That's what I got from Malack's explanation, though admittedly I could've misread.

You're right. I missed the spell effect for him re-casting it.


Still, when the staff is merged he can't reactivate it without reverting back to dwarf form. Of course assuming that vampire in bat form can speak in the first place, which is or is not possible, I don't remember exact polymorph rules from 3.5.


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Drejk wrote:
Still, when the staff is merged he can't reactivate it without reverting back to dwarf form. Of course assuming that vampire in bat form can speak in the first place, which is or is not possible, I don't remember exact polymorph rules from 3.5.

A staff is a spell trigger, which requires "a single word". I might suggest that, being made by a vampire, he would have developed it so that he could use it in case of emergency... such as in bat form.


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I guess the question now is will Tarquin finally get it?

My guess is no, but their is a first time for everything.

JD


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It makes me wonder what he considers Tarquin's other half of the problem to be.


Hopefully Psichick won't teleport onto the boat.

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Reminds me of Magneto's line to Wolverine in the first X-Men movie, delivered with delicious aplomb by Sir Ian. :)


Andrea1 wrote:
Hopefully Psichick won't teleport onto the boat.

I don't think Laurin is that stupid...

I wouldn't be surprised if Tarquin told her to, but as a high level psion she must have a high enough intelligence score to know that when you're level-drained and down on pp it isn't a good idea to psychoport by yourself onto an airship with seven high level people who are ready to attack you.

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I am feeling a bit underwhelmed at this ending. Hope the next strip reignites it.

Drock11 wrote:
It makes me wonder what he considers Tarquin's other half of the problem to be.

Same here. Maybe being an evil bloodthirsty manipulative despot ? Or not being able to take a pun ?


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Strange isn't it, Elan is becoming almost quite innovative and useful in combat...

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strayshift wrote:
Strange isn't it, Elan is becoming almost quite innovative and useful in combat...

Strange isn't it, Elan is becoming quite innovative and almost useful in combat...

Improved by moving the "Almost."

(I am not liking how Roy was ready to so quickly write off Julio Scoundrél. :()


In defense of Roy I don't think he could know as much about the functioning of the air ship than Elan does.

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He also saw Julio had a flying carpet. He doesn't know it got sundered.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
He also saw Julio had a flying carpet. He doesn't know it got sundered.

Well, that was not really Julio's flying carpet anyway ;-)

I have the feeling that Julio did abscond with many a thing and people who were originally Tarquin's :-)))

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The black raven wrote:
Well, that was not really Julio's flying carpet anyway ;-)

Didn't say it was, just said he had it. :)


So why is the psion just standing around while Julio escapes? Why didn't Tarquin get an attack of opportunity as Julio sundered the cord?

For those who constantly try to explain actions in the strip according to the "rules of the game" this strip is an excellent example of how Rich lets story trump mechanics.

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You could probably argue that the Psion had already made their action for that round: intiative is Psion, Sky-Pirate, Julio, Everyone else.

As for Tarquin's AoO: Improved Sunder is the Swashbuckler's friend.

The rules are very flexible when you can't see the PCs' character sheets.


I don't know if the line holding the harpoon would need to be sundered. It's not really being used as a weapon anymore and the person that used it is not only not actively trying to keep it from being damaged, but probably sent it down for just that purpose. At that point it should be just as easy as cutting a normal rope.

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Sundering also only provokes an AoO from the creature wielding the thing you are sundering. Tarquin wasn't wielding the rope, so no AoO even if it was a sunder maneuver (vs. just attacking an unattended object).


Did Julio leave a threatened square adjacent to Tarquin? I suppose the lack of an AoO is due to Tarquin dropping his dagger, but why did he drop his dagger? There's no rule saying he has to drop his dagger to dodge a harpoon. Either way it's fiat.

And no, there's no way you can argue that the psion had already used her turn. Her last turn she had Julio prone after hitting him with some blast. Julio got up, moved to the rope, cut it and was pulled away. There's no way by the rules that the psion wouldn't get another shot at him between her last blast and his grabbing of the rope.

Maybe that's how this will end, Julio will get nailed by a psychic blast and fall to his death. I dunno. If an NPC escaped this way in a game I was playing there'd be all kinds of accusations of GM fiat and rule breaking.

But, that's the point. It's a story, not a game.

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Unless he has a skill trick or feat that lets him stand as a free/swift action.

What's the action to grab hold of a rope?


Ah yes, Schroedinger's plot device...

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Just saying, there are a lot of better examples to use than that one. Like the soul splices.

Also, just because it can be explained by the rules does not mean it IS explained by the rules.


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Here, story trumps "game rules" in all ways. This is all fiat... because that's how telling a story works. The games we play are different, because we're collectively creating a story, but this isn't that. That said, with a versatile, cinematic GM, I could see this working.

Perhaps the ballista attack was played as a disarm manuever, as Elan wouldn't shoot to kill. Tarquin probably doesn't have Improved Unarmed Strike, so he no longer has a way to attack Julio as he makes an escape.

It's easy to think Julio has some way to stand as a swift or free action, and it's arguable whether he's prone after Laurin's attack. He probably doesn't have to move, so it's just sunder and grab the rope. Or maybe stand (move), 5 foot step, sunder (standard), and grab rope (free). Sure, it requires DM adjudication, but it could plausibly happen in one round.

Finally, we don't see how this has turned out. So it's entirely possible, I daresay likely, that Laurin is still going to blast him.


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Adamantine Dragon wrote:
Did Julio leave a threatened square adjacent to Tarquin? I suppose the lack of an AoO is due to Tarquin dropping his dagger, but why did he drop his dagger? There's no rule saying he has to drop his dagger to dodge a harpoon. Either way it's fiat.

Grabbing onto an airship speeding away is a withdraw action if I've ever seen one. The first square (all Tarquin threatens) isn't counted for the AoO.


Isn't "withdraw" a full round action? So he couldn't stand from prone, move to the cord, grab the cord, sunder the cord AND withdraw all in one round could he?


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I'm pretty sure Dashing Swordsman gives the ability to withdraw as less than a full round action, provided it is sufficiently dramatic and accompanied by a witty retort.

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Adamantine Dragon wrote:
Isn't "withdraw" a full round action? So he couldn't stand from prone, move to the cord, grab the cord, sunder the cord AND withdraw all in one round could he?

Also keep in mind that Tarquin is busy congratulating Elan. He is not paying enough attention to Scoundrél. Remember by story tropes, Scoundrél will be dead soon enough.

Breaking those tropes - which Tarquin has too much belief in - is the heart of Elan's plan.


Adamantine Dragon wrote:
Isn't "withdraw" a full round action? So he couldn't stand from prone, move to the cord, grab the cord, sunder the cord AND withdraw all in one round could he?

That wasn't part of his movement. You only provoke when you move out of a threatened area not when someone else moves you out of one.


Bob, I suppose it's a judgment call whether Julio is moving or being moved. He clearly appears to be swinging under his own control as opposed to being yanked unknowingly.

I think the point has been made though, clearly the story here (and in other places) trumps game mechanics. I was just pointing that out since this thread frequently gets into deep discussions of exactly what rules Rich is following for his characters. I personally think Rich is pretty fast and loose with the rules and story always trumps mechanics if they ever conflict.

And that's as it should be. :)

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Don't forget that Julio has a drama-based prestige class - if any character is entitled to flout the rules for the sake of the story, it's him. He probably has a Dramatic Exit class ability that lets him leave a fight without provoking as long as he does it in an awesome way.

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He also admitted the prestige class is overpowered, so there's that, too.

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Ross Byers wrote:
He also admitted the prestige class is overpowered, so there's that, too.

Nope, I apparently hallucinated that. Or inferred it from "third-party prestige class found in the discount bin".


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Ross Byers wrote:
Ross Byers wrote:
He also admitted the prestige class is overpowered, so there's that, too.
Nope, I apparently hallucinated that. Or inferred it from "third-party prestige class found in the discount bin".

I find it amusing that you corrected yourself in the same thread within 6 minutes. Aren't you supposed to wait for someone to yell: "Nu-uh!" first? ;-)


Ross Byers wrote:

He also admitted the prestige class is overpowered, so there's that, too.

Nope, I apparently hallucinated that. Or inferred it from "third-party prestige class found in the discount bin".

IIRC Elan questions the prestige class in such a manner when it is first mentioned though.


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Alex Martin wrote:
Ross Byers wrote:
Ross Byers wrote:
He also admitted the prestige class is overpowered, so there's that, too.
Nope, I apparently hallucinated that. Or inferred it from "third-party prestige class found in the discount bin".
I find it amusing that you corrected yourself in the same thread within 6 minutes. Aren't you supposed to wait for someone to yell: "Nu-uh!" first? ;-)

Nu-uh! He's allowed to correct himself! You are totally wrong:)

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