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It looks like the old 2e power wormhole, she even called it a wormhole. I don't remeber off the top of my head if there was a 3x version.


If there was it didn't get ported to Dreamscarred (yet). Or I'm just not looking in the right place.

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Tarquin's team is old enough to have made the transition from 2E to 3E. I bet she got it converted to 3E. :)

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Tarquin's team is old enough to have made the transition from 2E to 3E. I bet she got it converted to 3E. :)

That would be pretty funny, and perfectly in keeping with the meta-rules of the series.


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Chris Mortika wrote:
Or V gates in Sabine. Or, hell, even our favorite half-orc barbarian.

Oh, heck yeah!

The barbarian would work. BUT,...

V gates in Sabine?

Spoiler:
Who last we saw had trashed the entire 'h@!! theater system' of the three demons after watching Tarquin kill her boyfriend?

Yes please!
:)

Talk about an unresolved plot line! By his own rules, That one is just begging to come back and bite Tarquin in the tushie!


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Fromper wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Tarquin's team is old enough to have made the transition from 2E to 3E. I bet she got it converted to 3E. :)
That would be pretty funny, and perfectly in keeping with the meta-rules of the series.

It was explicitly the case with Haley's dad. I am not sure if he even got converted at all...


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Sissyl wrote:
... me love Thog.

And Thog loves puppies.

Hopefully you are not a puppy, because Thog love of puppies night be enthusiastic but it has lots of Elmyresque vibes.


Looking back over the rules for Psions the get way more power points than I realized. They can virtually spam even the high level powers forever, even more so if they can go nova and only have to worry about one fight.


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Drock11 wrote:
Looking back over the rules for Psions the get way more power points than I realized. They can virtually spam even the high level powers forever, even more so if they can go nova and only have to worry about one fight.

Frock, allow me to say before the inevitable derail that while it looks that way on paper, they are not nearly as powerful as that supposed ability implies. It has been repeatedly shown that mages get far more utility from nova-ing than psionics-users (as a general rule; there may be hedge or corner cases) and that psionics is not broken compared to that often noted "first glance" appearance. I would suggest Matthew Morris' post history diving. If I recall correctly, he's done that fairly thoroughly. It's been a while, though.

Short version: a psion's power is flexibility, but the (extremely expensive) "hidden" cost is paying to make their stuff on par with what mages get for free (powers don't automatically scale with the manifestes's level; it costs more to do this).

Anyhoo, back to the comic!

(If anything looks "odd" in this post blame using an iPad to make up for current lack of Internet.)

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Ross Byers wrote:

What's the dotted line in between portals from V's view?

I get the feeling we might see an 'exploiting geometry for fun and profit' moment where V goes all 2nd Ed and hits Tarquin and Co. with a single lightning bolt but from 8 different angles or something, by banking it though all the wormholes.

I thought of V computing the path of Bloodfeast the Extreme-inator and trying to find out where Tarquin's team would appear next, to preemptively blast them, but the next panel squashed that idea. I am now thinking that V knew exactly that all this would happen when s/he told Roy to run as long as possible. And that s/he has a perfect plan in place. Your suggestion of using the wormholes sounds very good to me.

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Tacticslion wrote:
Drock11 wrote:
Looking back over the rules for Psions the get way more power points than I realized. They can virtually spam even the high level powers forever, even more so if they can go nova and only have to worry about one fight.

Frock, allow me to say before the inevitable derail that while it looks that way on paper, they are not nearly as powerful as that supposed ability implies. It has been repeatedly shown that mages get far more utility from nova-ing than psionics-users (as a general rule; there may be hedge or corner cases) and that psionics is not broken compared to that often noted "first glance" appearance. I would suggest Matthew Morris' post history diving. If I recall correctly, he's done that fairly thoroughly. It's been a while, though.

Short version: a psion's power is flexibility, but the (extremely expensive) "hidden" cost is paying to make their stuff on par with what mages get for free (powers don't automatically scale with the manifestes's level; it costs more to do this).

Anyhoo, back to the comic!

(If anything looks "odd" in this post blame using an iPad to make up for current lack of Internet.)

I think one of the reasons Psions get a bad rap for nova-ing is when they're empty, they are EMPTY. They can spend all their power points on high-level, augmented powers, but then the tank is dry.

When a spellcaster novas, they blow all their high-level spells slots on spells and quickened spells and other shenanigans. They're spent and working well below their peak output, but they have some low level spells still available, so even though the player wants to stop and rest (because they're running on fumes), they don't look blankly powerless as the psion does.

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Plus, the psion had a bunch of abilities that required a certain threshold power point reserve (though maybe those are mostly for the psychic warrior - it's been a long time).

I have fond memories of the 3.0 psionics handbook.

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Now I definitely need to call my next Animal Companion Bloodfeast


The black raven wrote:
Now I definitely need to call my next Animal Companion Bloodfeast

I always find it interesting when someone has what I consider to be exactly the opposite reaction to something that I would have.

If had an animal companion for an upcoming campaign already named "Bloodfeast" my reaction to this revelation wouldbe "Dammit! Now I can't call my animal companion 'Bloodfeast'!"

Just different approaches I guess.


I think it comes down to how much a person is okay with having obvious ripoffs - or something that might be mistaken for a ripoff or homage - in their game. Some players prefer things to be more serious and/or self-contained within the game and dislike those kinds of external references, while other groups thrive on them.


Not quite my point. It's not about comfort level with external references at all. It's just about being original.

Maybe it's all post RPG stress disorder from the time I played a halfling named "Pippin" and the other players never let me forget it... In a friendly good-natured ribbing sort of way.


Can you smile when you reference it? If so run with it.


The black raven wrote:
Now I definitely need to call my next Animal Companion Bloodfeast

Anyone know how to get a stirge animal companion?

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Bah. Do it right - create a half-orc barbarian and call him Bloodfeast!

(Bonus points if he always refers to himself in the third person)


BigNorseWolf wrote:
The black raven wrote:
Now I definitely need to call my next Animal Companion Bloodfeast
Anyone know how to get a stirge animal companion?

I think the closest thing would be a summoner with a stirge-like eidolon...

We definitely need flier base form and Tiny-sized eidolons.

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Adamantine Dragon wrote:

Not quite my point. It's not about comfort level with external references at all. It's just about being original.

Maybe it's all post RPG stress disorder from the time I played a halfling named "Pippin" and the other players never let me forget it... In a friendly good-natured ribbing sort of way.

But you have to admit that making him the son of Charlemagne was over the top.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
The black raven wrote:
Now I definitely need to call my next Animal Companion Bloodfeast
Anyone know how to get a stirge animal companion?

Actually, I was envisioning something along the lines of a Familiar : Bloodfeast the rabbit or Bloodfeast the toad. For added shock value I guess :-))


The black raven wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
The black raven wrote:
Now I definitely need to call my next Animal Companion Bloodfeast
Anyone know how to get a stirge animal companion?
Actually, I was envisioning something along the lines of a Familiar : Bloodfeast the rabbit or Bloodfeast the toad. For added shock value I guess :-))

One of those fancy new familiars, such as jackalope or wolperting-something.

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Drejk wrote:
The black raven wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
The black raven wrote:
Now I definitely need to call my next Animal Companion Bloodfeast
Anyone know how to get a stirge animal companion?
Actually, I was envisioning something along the lines of a Familiar : Bloodfeast the rabbit or Bloodfeast the toad. For added shock value I guess :-))
One of those fancy new familiars, such as jackalope or wolperting-something.

You can get a stirge as a familiar ... but not an AC as far as I know.


Adamantine Dragon wrote:
Not quite my point. It's not about comfort level with external references at all. It's just about being original.

Maybe I'm just not picky enough. I don't see the difference.


zylphryx wrote:
Drejk wrote:
The black raven wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
The black raven wrote:
Now I definitely need to call my next Animal Companion Bloodfeast
Anyone know how to get a stirge animal companion?
Actually, I was envisioning something along the lines of a Familiar : Bloodfeast the rabbit or Bloodfeast the toad. For added shock value I guess :-))
One of those fancy new familiars, such as jackalope or wolperting-something.
You can get a stirge as a familiar ... but not an AC as far as I know.

Hey, look, I don't know about you, but my familiars are daggum well expected to at least "aid another" on their master's AC!

(I know what you meant.)


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Alex Martin wrote:

If the OOTS is to survive this fight head on - it seems to me that somebody's got to either make a "heroic" sacrifice or pull out an unconventional move/item to even the odds. It just looks like Tarquin and company are too power-heavy and genre savvy too lose a traditional battle at this point. I could see Elan and maybe Haley left alive, but otherwise it just seems like the rest are fodder for Tarquin's "legacy."

I keep wondering if Durkon's going to realize that there some uber-spell or effect in Malack's staff to even the odds?

If Tarquin kills Haley along with the rest then that it is it for his legacy. Tarquin is gambling on Elan being so hell bent for revenge that he will go off and find a new party. The best thing for Elan to do in that case? Use those dashing swordsman levels and start killing the psion and wizard.

1.Both of them will strike back with lethal force and neither are beholden to the idea of Tarquin's obsession.
2.If Elan is killed there goes Tarquin's legacy, so Tarquin would no doubt kill both of them.
3.Elan sheathes his sword and leaves Taruin in the desert with nothing. Just stamping his foot demanding the climatic battle.

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New strip is up. Tarquin is mad...

Grand Lodge

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I really hope we don't have to wait too long for the next one.

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Agreed! I was hoping we were going to have regular updates after the last two strips.


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Time to finish up this sidequest. Tarquin is about to have a meltdown.

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"It's fun to help out!" LOL Elan doesn't even realize how much he's pissing off his dad, which makes it that much better.

Great move targeting the dino with the spell. That was actually surprisingly smart tactically, coming from Elan.


I wonder how long until Mr. Fluffy attempts to eat Bloodfeast?


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Sebastian wrote:
New strip is up. Tarquin is mad...

Pony linkified.


You know, I think I've taken note of it before (though I don't know if I've actually said anything, and I've most certainly forgotten if I have or anyone else has), but it's interesting that Belkar sounds a lot like "Belker". When combined with the prophecy of him taking "his last breath ever." That's... kind of interesting. I'm not making predictions. Just noticing again.


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"Lesser Confusion!" Love it, great use of a low level spell.

Suspect that Elan's asking Roy what to do next is what Tarquin is pissed about as well.


Fromper wrote:

"It's fun to help out!" LOL Elan doesn't even realize how much he's pissing off his dad, which makes it that much better.

I don't know. Given "Rub, rub, rub, rub my father's face in my uselessness" a few strips back, I think he's doing it intentionally.

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thejeff wrote:
Fromper wrote:

"It's fun to help out!" LOL Elan doesn't even realize how much he's pissing off his dad, which makes it that much better.

I don't know. Given "Rub, rub, rub, rub my father's face in my uselessness" a few strips back, I think he's doing it intentionally.

Haley has to keep reminding him, though. I really don't think it was intentional this time. Commenting about the fun of helping out and asking Roy what to do is just typically Elan, and not something he'd say just to rub his dad's face in it.

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Fromper wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Fromper wrote:

"It's fun to help out!" LOL Elan doesn't even realize how much he's pissing off his dad, which makes it that much better.

I don't know. Given "Rub, rub, rub, rub my father's face in my uselessness" a few strips back, I think he's doing it intentionally.
Haley has to keep reminding him, though. I really don't think it was intentional this time. Commenting about the fun of helping out and asking Roy what to do is just typically Elan, and not something he'd say just to rub his dad's face in it.

Actually, it might be something Elan would say to upset his father, but I agree that it is highly unlikely that he is doing so here.

The fact is that Roy really is the party leader. That is why Tarquin wants him out of the way. "You're a fine warrior Mr. Greenhilt, but playing second fiddle just isn't in our family's blood."

Spoiler:
Tarquin still doesn't understand: "You're wrong. You're wrong about everything. You only think you know what's supposed to happen. But we get to decide what sort of story this is and what role we play - hero or comic relief, or both at the same time."

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Elan and his bother were always team players. Yes even Nale and his evil group worked more or less as a team. Daddy, daddy's ego won't allow them to not lead any situation.

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TheLoneCleric wrote:
Elan and his bother were always team players. Yes even Nale and his evil group worked more or less as a team. Daddy, daddy's ego won't allow them to not lead any situation.

And he thinks Elan needs to be the same way.

Also, getting hit by the Yellow Ray - Miron just got hosed.


Doesn't look like it nuked him completely though, since no X_X eyes. Makes sense since he was probably at full health, but I could see him - and the psion - ditching out here soon, if they don't consider their debts worth dying over.

Looks like Tarquin evasion'd out of the orange ray though, he's the only one not covered in a damage aura.

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And the triceratops is on another plane somewhere, I guess. Now it's *really* confused.


John Woodford wrote:
And the triceratops is on another plane somewhere, I guess. Now it's *really* confused.

Heh, you beat me to it. Exactly what I was going to say too.

Had to look it up.

From the look of it, it seems the psion would likely be fine, despite the damage. At most, she took 20. That's not that much at their level, unless she rolled really low on her hit points. 80 points, though... that I could see being a real problem.

As a quick analysis, at 15th level (minimum presumed level for their group for lots of reasons), a 3.5 version psion would have - presuming a 10 CON (a strange presumption for casters) - at minimum, 19 hit points. But it's far, far more likely for her to have more than that. An average no-CON-bonus psion would have 37.5 (or rather 37) - that means that taking 20 damage would reduce her to 17. Bad, but a decent cure potion (or a regenerating ioun stone, say) could mean she doesn't have to fear dying, though being disabled is a thing. And, depending on what kind of psion, or rather which powers she's learned, she might be able to handle herself. Or she might be ready to throw in the towel.

Also, how does Tarquin have evasion, again? I've... forgotten, I'm afraid. So. Tired.

(Side Question: do they even "roll" for hit points in the OoTS-verse? Does it vary from person to person? The latter sounds likely, given some of their other rulings.)


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Re: HP - pretty sure Rich just eyeballs it.

I don't think we've ever been given a build on Tarquin. He might have Rogue levels, or he might just have a ring of evasion.


Orthos wrote:

Re: HP - pretty sure Rich just eyeballs it.

I don't think we've ever been given a build on Tarquin. He might have Rogue levels, or he might just have a ring of evasion.

Ah, Thanks. :)

Regardless, if he's predominantly a spellcaster, yeah, 80 points of damage is really significant. However, like I pointed out above, depending on his build, rolls, and, most importantly (though I didn't add this above) their preparation - it might not really be all that big a deal, in the end.

I have to wonder how the evil guys will respond if Tarquin goes down.

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Tarquin is a fighter type, though I don't know if we've ever been told his exact classes/levels. And I'd assume above average constitutions for these guys to survive long enough to reach this level.


Yep.

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Orthos wrote:

Re: HP - pretty sure Rich just eyeballs it.

I don't think we've ever been given a build on Tarquin. He might have Rogue levels, or he might just have a ring of evasion.

Given that he's got Snatch Arrows, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a few levels in some sort of armored monk variant. Or maybe many levels in ranger.

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John Woodford wrote:
And the triceratops is on another plane somewhere, I guess. Now it's *really* confused.

The majority of planes are fairly lethal to appear in unprepared, too.

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