Exit polls- Round 3


RPG Superstar™ 2009 General Discussion

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20 -- Kevin Carter— Malgana the Twistwood Lich
17--Eric Bailey— Vashkar, the False Maharajah
13--Randy Dorman— Hecataeus, Master of Constructs
11--Joshua Blazej— Derinogen, Aristocratic Mage
10--Neil Spicer— Gulga Cench, Scion of Cyth-V'sug
08--James F.D. Graham— Count Falconbridge, Fate's Adversary
06--Trevor Gulliver— Bracht Darkhouse, The Flesh Peddler
05--Matthew Stinson— Sartel Bollen, Mistress of the Headless Caravan
02--Matt Banach— Rustin Harp, the Vengeance of Freaks
02--Philip Snyder— Ryth'a
01--Doyle Tavener— Kar-En-Helit, Vessel of Moeris
01--Eric Morton— Aelfric Dream-Slayer
01--Jacob Manley— Volner Tain
01--Mark Thomas— Lord Jeroim Borloz, the Diamond Dragon
01--Vladislav Rashkovski— Kardam, the Burning Khan
00--Carl Klutzke— Sharina, Legend Singer
00--Joao Beraldo— Boemundo, Brenno's Shadow Protector


Malgana
Vashkar
Gulga
Count

Shadow Lodge

Well, if this is a semi accurate sampling, and i think it is, The the top seven on the list are gonna get a pass. The 8 spot is always a wild card.

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

Eric Bailey—Vashkar, the False Maharajah
Joshua Blazej—Derinogen, Aristocratic Mage
Matthew Stinson—Sartel Bollen, Mistress of the Headless Caravan
Randy Dorman—Hecataeus, Master of Constructs

Liberty's Edge

Taliesin Hoyle wrote:
I thought Montalve had.

actualy it was you from who I took the thought

I woudl have voted for her if Carl's reputation rules would habe been better... I always welcome such ideas


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21 -- Kevin Carter— Malgana the Twistwood Lich
19--Eric Bailey— Vashkar, the False Maharajah
14--Randy Dorman— Hecataeus, Master of Constructs
12--Joshua Blazej— Derinogen, Aristocratic Mage
11--Neil Spicer— Gulga Cench, Scion of Cyth-V'sug
09--James F.D. Graham— Count Falconbridge, Fate's Adversary
06--Trevor Gulliver— Bracht Darkhouse, The Flesh Peddler
06--Matthew Stinson— Sartel Bollen, Mistress of the Headless Caravan
02--Matt Banach— Rustin Harp, the Vengeance of Freaks
02--Philip Snyder— Ryth'a
01--Doyle Tavener— Kar-En-Helit, Vessel of Moeris
01--Eric Morton— Aelfric Dream-Slayer
01--Jacob Manley— Volner Tain
01--Mark Thomas— Lord Jeroim Borloz, the Diamond Dragon
01--Vladislav Rashkovski— Kardam, the Burning Khan
00--Carl Klutzke— Sharina, Legend Singer
00--Joao Beraldo— Boemundo, Brenno's Shadow Protector

Scarab Sages

I voted for Sharina, Falconbridge, and Bracht.

I like the first two because the give me options as a DM. Not necessarily the focus of quests but definitely the eventual villain. And I love mad scientists.


Are you going to use your fourth vote?


In the interest of completeness, I'll add my votes here for the tallying. I voted for:
Malgana (turned an intriguing concept into something I see as useable)
Vashkar (the idea of a vampire rakshasa sticks with me)
Gulga (liking Neil's work and want to see what else he comes up with)

I'm probably not using my fourth vote because I tend to vote for ideas that inspire me, and most of the villains with concepts I found compelling enough to vote for last round (Sharina, Kardam, Aelfric) didn't seem to hold up when it came to the mechanics. No insult intended to the designers of those villains; I love the ideas (and will probably use the concept of Sharina at some point) but this round is supposed to be about stats.


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22 -- Kevin Carter— Malgana the Twistwood Lich
20--Eric Bailey— Vashkar, the False Maharajah
14--Randy Dorman— Hecataeus, Master of Constructs
12--Joshua Blazej— Derinogen, Aristocratic Mage
12--Neil Spicer— Gulga Cench, Scion of Cyth-V'sug
10--James F.D. Graham— Count Falconbridge, Fate's Adversary
07--Trevor Gulliver— Bracht Darkhouse, The Flesh Peddler
06--Matthew Stinson— Sartel Bollen, Mistress of the Headless Caravan
02--Matt Banach— Rustin Harp, the Vengeance of Freaks
02--Philip Snyder— Ryth'a
01--Doyle Tavener— Kar-En-Helit, Vessel of Moeris
01--Eric Morton— Aelfric Dream-Slayer
01--Jacob Manley— Volner Tain
01--Mark Thomas— Lord Jeroim Borloz, the Diamond Dragon
01--Vladislav Rashkovski— Kardam, the Burning Khan
01--Carl Klutzke— Sharina, Legend Singer
00--Joao Beraldo— Boemundo, Brenno's Shadow Protector

RPG Superstar 2013 Top 8 , Marathon Voter Season 6, Star Voter Season 7 aka Demiurge 1138

Gulga Cench
Hecataeus
Malgana
Count Falconbridge

Of these four, I only voted for two last time around--I used my vote elsewhere than Gulga Cench to promote an underloved entry, and Malgana did not impress me in round 2. Her round 3 mechanics, on the other hand, are elegant and usable, and her concept is rather improved.

Scarab Sages

I wasn't attached enough to another entry to use my fourth vote.

The Exchange

I wasn't seeing much point in this round until I read Hecataeus, what an improvement there. The kind of writing that an editor must love.

You really stepped up and performed well. In fact I went for all four for the same reason, they had shown vast improvement. I hope that Neil Spicer and Trevor use this as a spur to up their game because you can bet these four will.

Well done

Hecataeus
Malgana (what a great rules twist)
Derinogen (kudos for lower level success)
Count Falconbridge

And personally the CR20 stuff leaves me cold. I get little pleasure out of reading reams of abilities.

Cheers

Liberty's Edge

Most Likely IN
24 -- Kevin Carter— Malgana the Twistwood Lich
20--Eric Bailey— Vashkar, the False Maharajah
16--Randy Dorman— Hecataeus, Master of Constructs
13--Joshua Blazej— Derinogen, Aristocratic Mage
13--Neil Spicer— Gulga Cench, Scion of Cyth-V'sug

WATCH Above top 8 line
11--James F.D. Graham— Count Falconbridge, Fate's Adversary
07--Trevor Gulliver— Bracht Darkhouse, The Flesh Peddler
06--Matthew Stinson— Sartel Bollen, Mistress of the Headless Caravan
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WATCH below top 8 line
02--Matt Banach— Rustin Harp, the Vengeance of Freaks
02--Philip Snyder— Ryth'a

Not looking good at all
01--Doyle Tavener— Kar-En-Helit, Vessel of Moeris
01--Eric Morton— Aelfric Dream-Slayer
01--Jacob Manley— Volner Tain
01--Mark Thomas— Lord Jeroim Borloz, the Diamond Dragon
01--Vladislav Rashkovski— Kardam, the Burning Khan
01--Carl Klutzke— Sharina, Legend Singer
00--Joao Beraldo— Boemundo, Brenno's Shadow Protector

RPG Superstar 2008 Top 16 aka amusingsn

My votes are in!

1) Hecataeus, Master of Constructs (Randy Dorman)-- Almost as awesome as last round, even though he lost a pinch of his "charm" to appeal to the masses (which was a smart move, really).
2) Malgana the Twistwood *WITCH* (Kevin Carter) -- Excellent mechanics.
3) Lord Jeroim Borloz, the Diamond Dragon (Mark Thomas) -- I still think the idea is superior.
4) Volner Tain (Jacob Manly) -- Being doubly-damned isn't quite enough. Volner is the only entrant who has that extra amount of damnedness to carry through!

Liberty's Edge Contributor, RPG Superstar 2012 , Star Voter Season 6, Marathon Voter Season 7, Star Voter Season 9

Only one repeat from round 2 for me:

Count Falconbridge, Fate's Adversary
Gulga Cench, Scion of Cyth-V'sug (dang it, Neil, I liked it when his name was in all caps)
Hecataeus, Master of Constructs
Malgana the Twistwood Lich (biggest surprise for me--one of my least favorite villains in round 2)

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32 aka Lord Fyre

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Finally, I have read and commented on all 17. Now I can vote!

And the "Winners" are:

  • Eric Bailey - Vashkar, The False Maharajah - This character is just way too awesome.
  • Joshua Blasej - Derinogen, Aristocratic Mage - I have a softspot for good low-level villains.
  • Randy Dorman - Hecataeus, Master of Constructs - Most awesome turn-around.
  • Trevor Gulliver - Bracht Darkhouse, The Flesh Peddlar - This character's construction shows a lot of animation. :D

I also have some "Honorable Mentions" (Not that it matters):

  • Malgana, the Twistwood Lich
  • Gulga Cench, Scion of Cyth-V'sug
  • Ryth'a
Each of these would have been worthy of my vote, but there were just too many strong candidates. :)

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8 aka Tarren Dei

Lord Fyre wrote:

This characters construction shows a lot of animation. :D

Hehehe.


My votes for Round 3:
(Some of my thoughts on the entries afterwards in ooc.)
1) Hecataeus, master of constructs
A well crafted stat block with only a couple of minor glitches, a backstory improved from the previous round, and an original feat which adds to the villain, to round off.
2) Ryth'a
A solid stat block, a fresh villain, and an amusing disposal of the previous Round's villain in a manner which showed that comments for the Round 2 entry had been heeded.
3) Gulga Cench
Despite a few small flaws in the stat block, interesting tactics from the half-fiend otyugh.
4) Yet to be determined.

Grand Lodge

Finally I'm ready to cast my votes:
- Eric Bailey—Vashkar, the False Maharajah Definately improvement in this concept. I really like him now and want to unleash him on my PCs.
- James F.D. Graham—Count Falconbridge, Fate's Adversary Somehow this one made me smile. You know, my evil DM smile.
- Kevin Carter—Malgana the Twistwood Lich Biggest turn around. I hated the first incarnation.
- Neil Spicer—Gulga Cench, Scion of Cyth-V'sug Not as good as I hoped, but still plenty for me to work with.

Honorable mentions:
- Randy Dorman—Hecataeus, Master of Constructs He'll make it without my vote
- Trevor Gulliver—Bracht Darkhouse, The Flesh Peddler I was hoping for a little bit more umph.


My last vote has now been determined.
4) Lord Jeroim Borloz, the Diamond Dragon.
Tightly presented stat block, sound tactics, jumping over heads and pummelling wizards and sorcerers to death.

Honourable mentions for stat block fu.
Bracht Darkhouse and Sartel Bollen.

Liberty's Edge

27 -- Kevin Carter— Malgana the Twistwood Witch
22--Eric Bailey— Vashkar, the False Maharajah
20--Randy Dorman— Hecataeus, Master of Constructs
16--Neil Spicer— Gulga Cench, Scion of Cyth-V'sug
14--Joshua Blazej— Derinogen, Aristocratic Mage
13--James F.D. Graham— Count Falconbridge, Fate's Adversary
08--Trevor Gulliver— Bracht Darkhouse, The Flesh Peddler
06--Matthew Stinson— Sartel Bollen, Mistress of the Headless Caravan
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03--Philip Snyder— Ryth'a
03--Mark Thomas— Lord Jeroim Borloz, the Diamond Dragon
02--Matt Banach— Rustin Harp, the Vengeance of Freaks
02--Jacob Manley— Volner Tain
01--Doyle Tavener— Kar-En-Helit, Vessel of Moeris
01--Eric Morton— Aelfric Dream-Slayer
01--Vladislav Rashkovski— Kardam, the Burning Khan
01--Carl Klutzke— Sharina, Legend Singer
00--Joao Beraldo— Boemundo, Brenno's Shadow Protector

Liberty's Edge Marathon Voter Season 6, Dedicated Voter Season 7

Pathfinder Adventure, Adventure Path, Companion, Lost Omens, Rulebook Subscriber

Kevin Carter— Malgana the Twistwood Lich
Eric Bailey— Vashkar, the False Maharajah
Randy Dorman— Hecataeus, Master of Constructs
Joshua Blazej— Derinogen, Aristocratic Mage

I believe all 4 of these made improvements on their initial concept and created some interesting new rule pieces. Those were the core pieces needed for this round, with the stat block being a good test of mechanical awareness.

So far, Joshua is my top pick. The Hurricane Gloves were the only items I really liked. Derinogen was in the top half on my list of villains, but really got pushed up into my voting list by the gloves' merit. The great improvements made by Joshua between last round and this one, combined with that beautiful elixer has me looking forward to his continued efforts in this contest.

Dark Archive

In no particular order:

-Sharina
-Malgana
-Hecataeus
-Kardam

Sovereign Court

again in no particular order

Malgana!
Hecataeus!
Vashkar!
GULGA CENCH!

with Derinogen a close contender

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2013 , Dedicated Voter Season 6, Dedicated Voter Season 7, Dedicated Voter Season 8, Star Voter Season 9 aka Steven T. Helt

Ranked!

Hecataeus
Gulga
Volner
Ryth'a

The Exchange Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 6 , Dedicated Voter Season 6

Votes, in the order chosen (not necessarily the ranking)

Derinogen
Malgana
Hecateus
Vashkar

Star Voter Season 6

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31 -- Kevin Carter— Malgana the Twistwood Witch
25--Eric Bailey— Vashkar, the False Maharajah
25--Randy Dorman— Hecataeus, Master of Constructs
18--Neil Spicer— Gulga Cench, Scion of Cyth-V'sug
16--Joshua Blazej— Derinogen, Aristocratic Mage
13--James F.D. Graham— Count Falconbridge, Fate's Adversary
08--Trevor Gulliver— Bracht Darkhouse, The Flesh Peddler
06--Matthew Stinson— Sartel Bollen, Mistress of the Headless Caravan
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04--Philip Snyder— Ryth'a
03--Jacob Manley— Volner Tain
03--Mark Thomas— Lord Jeroim Borloz, the Diamond Dragon
02--Carl Klutzke— Sharina, Legend Singer
02--Matt Banach— Rustin Harp, the Vengeance of Freaks
02--Vladislav Rashkovski— Kardam, the Burning Khan
01--Doyle Tavener— Kar-En-Helit, Vessel of Moeris
01--Eric Morton— Aelfric Dream-Slayer
00--Joao Beraldo— Boemundo, Brenno's Shadow Protector


I must admit I was slightly surprised to see the way Sharina plummeted down the table as compared to her position in the Round 2 exit poll.
Seeing that Gulga Cench dropped too, I wonder if these entries have dropped because there wasn't so much 'new' about them, or just that the stat blocks didn't meet up to expectations which Round 2 raised?

Just a couple of random thoughts whilst we wait for the result.


Hecataeus
Derinogen
Count Falconbridge
Gulga Cench


I admit I didn't vote this time. I believe I should have but I found going through many blocks of stats too hard and felt I might have just voted for the easiest to read. So I considered it better for me not to vote- I will vote in the next round. Good luck


Charles Evans 25 wrote:

I must admit I was slightly surprised to see the way Sharina plummeted down the table as compared to her position in the Round 2 exit poll.

Seeing that Gulga Cench dropped too, I wonder if these entries have dropped because there wasn't so much 'new' about them, or just that the stat blocks didn't meet up to expectations which Round 2 raised?

Just a couple of random thoughts whilst we wait for the result.

I mentioned this in the Sharina thread too, but...Sharina was more a concept villain where it was pretty clear that the stat block was not going to be that special, so the part which should have shone was the new rule. It didn't.

Gulga remained a solid entry and had I five votes Gulga would have got the fifth one. But yeah: while last round Gulga was pretty clearly the best entry this round many others had improved significantly and were on more or less same level. And as I tend to prefer low-to-mid-level play, other entries of same quality edge out complicated high-level Gulga. Others may go for different direction and dismiss low-level villains on same ground...

Marathon Voter Season 6, Marathon Voter Season 7, Star Voter Season 8

Gulga seems more like the main villain of an entire Pathfinder adventure path then the villain of a single adventure. Although i don't think that should be held against him really.

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2013 , Dedicated Voter Season 6, Dedicated Voter Season 7, Dedicated Voter Season 8, Star Voter Season 9 aka Steven T. Helt

Wow. For all the talk about growth and improvement being a crucial part of round two, the most improved villains were tossed out, and the leading entries accused of sitting on their laurels were given a pass.

There was some exciting stuff this round, but I'm a little disappointed that big improvements like Volner or Rysh'a weren't rewarded, while some advanced based on the strength of their round 2 entries. I sure hope no one feels vindicated at this point, and chooses to play it safe again!

I think the lesson here is that, given a good concept, DMs will pass on the hardened mechanics and choose to tinker away with what they don't like!

Regardless - I'm ready for some swingin' lairs! Congratulations, semifinalists, and bring the noise!

Scarab Sages

Steven T. Helt wrote:
Wow. For all the talk about growth and improvement being a crucial part of round two, the most improved villains were tossed out, and the leading entries accused of sitting on their laurels were given a pass.

The only "greatly improved" villain, IMO, that didn't make it to round 4 was Rustin Harp. Vashkar, Hecataeus, and Malgana all made it. I didn't really notice a huge improvement in the description/goal/plot hooks sections from any other entrants.

Scarab Sages Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games

Steven T. Helt wrote:

Wow. For all the talk about growth and improvement being a crucial part of round two, the most improved villains were tossed out, and the leading entries accused of sitting on their laurels were given a pass.

There was some exciting stuff this round, but I'm a little disappointed that big improvements like Volner or Rysh'a weren't rewarded, while some advanced based on the strength of their round 2 entries. I sure hope no one feels vindicated at this point, and chooses to play it safe again!

I think the lesson here is that, given a good concept, DMs will pass on the hardened mechanics and choose to tinker away with what they don't like!

Regardless - I'm ready for some swingin' lairs! Congratulations, semifinalists, and bring the noise!

I don't know if that's true. I think Vashkar, Hecataeus, and Malgana were all much improved from the previous round - that's 3 out of 8.

Also, of the runaway most popular entries last round, one crashed and burned (Sharina) and two made it, though if the exit poll is to be believed not by much in Bracht's case.

I voted for 2 "improvers" (how good were you THIS round) and 2 "bodies of work" (how much have I liked ALL of your stuff), because improvement alone can't be all it's about. Take Rustin Harp. I thought that entry was not good at all in round 2, but I thought it made great improvements in round 3. It wasn't perfect, but it was vastly better in my book. Still, even if you raised from a D- to B+, even though that's a HUGE jump... it's still not an A, so if I have 4 A's already, then you got close, but not quite.

I would guess that a lot of people had the same idea. It was great that Paizo let you invent a whole new villain or heavily redesign your previous one, but it you have enough of a head start, no finishing kick is going to catch you.

I can certainly see the attraction of doing the contest this way, building towards an adventure design, but it does lack some of the separation of rounds of last year's contest, where a good or bad entry in the previous round, while it might bias some voters towards you or against you, didn't have the potential lingering effect you could get in this year's version.

The Exchange RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8 aka Tarren Dei

Steven T. Helt wrote:
Wow. For all the talk about growth and improvement being a crucial part of round two, the most improved villains were tossed out, and the leading entries accused of sitting on their laurels were given a pass.

I believe the focus on growth being the goal came after the entries were submitted.

Star Voter Season 6

I'd say it was an even split. Eric Bailey, Matt Banach, Phillip Snyder, Eric Morton and Kevin Carter all incorporated judge and voter comments at the core of their submissions. (The others did so to a lesser degree.) You may or may not agree with their other choices in that round, but I'd hardly say that all the people who improved didn't make it.

And as far as the stat blocks (and not new rules or strategic choices of classes or templates), let's turn to our specialist judge:

Vashkar: "As for the stat block, things look pretty tight."

Count Falconbridge: "So, other than some simple accounting errors, I am not seeing anything too egregious in the stat block."

Derinogen: "Well, I am impressed. I cannot really find much of anything wrong with this stat block on a cursory inspection. The skills are right, the hit points include the favored class bonus, the spells are right, and the attack and save bonuses are correct."

Malgana: "If I were developing this monster for an adventure, there would be an average amount of work, but nothing that would require a serious rebuilding."

Sartel Bollen: "Looking at the stat block itself, there are some simple formating errors, but nothing too serious."

Hecataeus: "Moving on to the stat block itself, I am only finding a few errors here and there."

Gulga Cench: "Taking a look through the mechanics on this one, they are pretty sound. All of the class levels, and template, were applied properly using the current rules set. There are a few minor format errors here and there, but nothing that is really all that unusual."

Bracht Darkhouse: "If I had to develop this monster, I would have to do a bit of work, but I think it would be worth the time."

Basically, the only reason a DM would have to change significant things is because they disagreed with a basic strategic choice of the designer's, not because the designer significantly failed to execute the design.

Star Voter Season 6

Tarren Dei wrote:
Steven T. Helt wrote:
Wow. For all the talk about growth and improvement being a crucial part of round two, the most improved villains were tossed out, and the leading entries accused of sitting on their laurels were given a pass.
I believe the focus on growth being the goal came after the entries were submitted.

Yes, indeed, it did. After many voters had spent a week declaring that they were ignoring the magic item round and judging the superstars strictly on the round two submissions to boot.

Through these judges, we see an excellent demonstration the power of an authority to set the agenda for conversation.


roguerouge wrote:

Yes, indeed, it did. After many voters had spent a week declaring that they were ignoring the magic item round and judging the superstars strictly on the round two submissions to boot.

Through these judges, we see an excellent demonstration the power of an authority to set the agenda for conversation.

Don't know, the growth as absolute didn't matter to me. Three of my votes changed, not because the entries had developed so much but because the entries had developed into ones I liked best. And next round I will still be voting based on entries themselves and look at second and third round to decide only if I have difficulty choosing between some entries...so no slacking, I am fickle in voting!

I'll save portfolio observations to the last round.

Scarab Sages RPG Superstar 2013 , Dedicated Voter Season 6, Dedicated Voter Season 7, Dedicated Voter Season 8, Star Voter Season 9 aka Steven T. Helt

I might be going it alone, but I just don't agree. Volner and Rhysh'a were huge improvements over the previous round, and didn't make the cut. Bracht and Gulga made almost no changes to their round 2 text, with Bracht displaying several errors and obscurities in his mechanical section, and submitting a very loose, almost hurried-looking design element that left as many questions as it answered. Vashkar improved in concept in step with Volner and Rysh'a, but was a mess mechanically, many respondents feeling he was either flawed or just too complex to make for a good villain.

That I recall, Malgana didn't change much, had a fair stat block and poor design for her rules element. She also gets in on the strength of her round 2 presentation and creepy uniqueness.

I didn't like Sharina much to begin with, but I think it's curious she burned out. Her design wasn't flawed, just not inspiring. Meanwhile Hecataeus improved quite a bit conceptualy, and provided a tough stat block and (fairly) tight new feat.

Can't remember who else advanced, but I think one was Derinogen. I think he was done well enough, just someone I didn't get excited about like others. I don't recall being more impressed in round three than round two.

Of course, all of these matters, and all responses, are largely based on personal preferences and opinions. But it seems to me that several entrants did little or nothing to improve and advanced anyway, while several vaulted themselves conceptually and/or mechanically and have become honored spectators.

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16, 2012 Top 32 , Marathon Voter Season 6, Marathon Voter Season 7, Marathon Voter Season 8, Marathon Voter Season 9 aka Epic Meepo

Speaking as an honored spectator, I'd have to say that the winning villains all have one thing in common: each of them would make a better focus for a better Pathfinder adventure module than any of the losing entries.

I think the Top 8 just nailed it when it came to capturing the essence of a good Pathfinder villain. Despite whatever mechanical flaws they may have, each of the winning villains just screams, "Use me in a Pathfinder adventure module."

(Aelfric, meanwhile, graduated from the Magic: the Gathering school of villainy, what with his whole "I'm going to commandeer the entire natural world and turn it into my own personal weapon" shtick. He'd make for some fine flavor text on cards in a black/green deck.)


Steven T. Helt wrote:

Of course, all of these matters, and all responses, are largely based on personal preferences and opinions. But it seems to me that several entrants did little or nothing to improve and advanced anyway, while several vaulted themselves conceptually and/or mechanically and have become honored spectators.

Some of them are indeed very dividing in personal preferences, Derinogen being one of the more obvious ones in this sense: I am more interested in low-level than high-level play and villains, and thus Derinogen did appeal to me. Some other people would consider him nothing but a speed bump.

I also seemed to be one of the few people who liked Rustin Harp better on round 2 than round 3...I admit that mechanically he did shape up but the new flavor text just put me off.

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