Kantos Arena Pathfinder Gladaitorial Combat Disscussion

[BM]

I seen that I will be VERY happy when alpha 2 comes out. They tackling a lot of problems it seems.

I been very happy pathfinder so far. I am also not worried about it too much, because from what I have seen behind Jason's rational behind the changes, I do not have much to fear.

Still going to playtest the alpha through. Its nice to help the hobby a little and feel like you are shaping the future of the hobby a little.

I know that you do not like skill points but I hope the the system can do both. It does not seem hard to have the skill point system and the auto-max system side-by side. The numbers are the same.

They need to put one or the other in a sidebar and call it done.

[seekerofshadowlight]

yep I can live with skill points its not a make or brake thing.Seeing the barbarian write up it looks like skill points but doesnt add up.I do have faith in them to make it very DM and player friendly.I'll use what ever system they use however.And a side bar would be lovely.

between this, the maptools group,a planscape playtest and my homegroup Makes me feel like I am giving input and we have done seen the guys here do take input into consideration of changes.

oh and did you see the gnome druid .made me want to play a gnome druid lol

and the boards are dead tonight.

[BM]

I like the pathfinder gnomes myself, they feel like they have their own niche now. Pathfinder is playing up the old earth spirit element, and giving the a "The little fey dudes" feel to them. Makes them different from the dwarves and halflings which always seemed to overpower them in flavor.

I had some inspiration and I think I have a fighting style for my would be barbarian. Does not a throwing axe to the head sound like the medieval equivalent of a Clan ERPPC to the head, Quiaff? :)

A couple of throwing axes, and a normal axe for when runs out of throwing axes, his style seems to accompaniment Seth.

I even "figured" out his name Nik'or'ith Kar'ren'sky... >_>
(Note: My excuse for the 's in his name is that it is a tradition in his tribe to put ' like objects in between syllables in their name. So he writes it like that.)

I so want to work on him right now, but I don't want to deal with the conversion that would have to do in a few days.*Sighs*

[seekerofshadowlight]

[ Aff like a clan ERPPC it does course a great ax is closer.And I love that old vibe cant wait for druids myself.I think after my homebrew wraps up we may take a trip to the pathfinder world.]

As for the barbarian make him leave skills out and his class ability's .for this one hell pick his level don't worry with rolling long as he doesn't go above 6 I like to let folks with good concepts run with em .I'm flexable and this one is ment to be over the top.

[BM]

A great ax would be better, but you cannot throw them. At least not as a standard action. Besides a great ax counts as a UAC 20.

I have some the build in my head, I thinking take two-weapon fighting so I can throw two axes per round, throw all the throwing axes I have(I am thinking of 10 fewer if needed) and then pull out a orc double ax.

Stats wise would probly look like this:(Not rolled just what I think he would be going for)

Str:20
Dex:16
Con:16
Int:8
Wis:12
Cha:12

After Racial mods. I will go with a half-orc for him(Elemental anyone?).

I have most of the info/ideas done, I just do not want to go back and have to rewrite things when the Alpha 2 comes out.

And yeah, Golarion sounds petty awesome, and I will probably buy the Golarion campaign setting book when it comes out. I wished I had a excuse to buy the Pathfinder adventure paths cause they sound great, but A) My group likes the very-free form campaign we got, and B) They are AWOL for now.(Most of them are still in high school). Still, the fluff that Paizo comes out with is great.

[seekerofshadowlight]

yeah I'm broke so cant get the pathfinder stuff right now. my group is really wide in age from 14,16.18.24,27,and 31 plus myself.But year the setting book is prob gonna find its way to my shelf it'll look nice with the realms and eberron to keep it company.

Oh and would you think it would be better to post what your gonna fight or just the CR? I have the six events picked and if you and barily play have 2 of the events filled but 4 more i'm not sure on.

[BM]

Being broke sucks, and going to collage does not help. Things in collage are expensive as all hell, the books standing out in particular. EVERY SINGLE ONE costs 80-120 dollars new. And they switch them ever year, so you cannot get old ones. Its a rip-off.

I have 2 groups, 1 for D&D and another for BT. The one for D&D, which I DM for, is smaller, and is more the same age (16-20). The BT group is larger with about 6-8 people, ranging 15 to 28. I am a pseudo-GM there, as I have the 2nd most experience with BT there, and help the guy who runs it. It fun(especially my BT group, where the guy who runs it does it 2-3 times a month even though he has the worst luck I have EVER seen at a gaming table), but I am going to enjoy just being a player for now.

Hmm... I would say the best thing to do would be to give a vague descriptive flavor text, give a vague idea of what you are going to fight. Then give the CR. Or if you really want to be cruel, fudge the given CR by rolling a d4 and adding or subtracting it. Gives you idea of what and how hard the fight is going to be, without really telling you.

Once we get in the fight, we have to make an apporite knowledge check. If we pass, you tell us what are fighting. If we fail, you give us a description and we have to fight it "blind".

Known PCs and NPCs should be given by name, but only if you fought them in the past. If you have not, you make a knowledge local check. If you do, you learn the name and fighting style of the gladiator. If not, you get a description of the gladiator and his gear and thats it.

[seekerofshadowlight]

I was thinking along the same lines. I have seths and nicks done written .there event 3 of 6 should be fun. cant say they wont die but eh there gladiators right.as for the cleric I got2 slots he may fit in still juggleing them around .

I havent got the play a real table game of BT in years.Was fun megamek comes close but nothing replaces really being there.I fell out of love with the universe just about at the refusal war. My home games never went that way.And the new time line and the way the clans act .nope not for me.
and bull dog was a joke IMHO they should have all died you dont jump a fleet into the clans most holy system and just leave stupid freebirths what were they thinking.. sorry little rantish there.

[BM]

The problem I had with bulldog was not that it happened, because I could see a effort by the IS powers to stop the Clans, but the way they wrote it. The way they wrote it, it comes off as a IS wank fest. Had they made it take much longer and far more grueling, with higher causalities for the IS, I would not have a problem with it. Also, make the trial on Strana Mechty more balanced(IE the Sphere wins by a straw).

I keep up to date with the fluff, and I like some of the new stuff, like the new "invasion" by Hell's Horses, Ice Hellion, and Snow Raven.(Even though the Horses decide to invade the rear of the Wolf OZ) The Jihad is so-so, there are elements I like such the battle on Solaris 7 and the fall of the FWL, and there are elements I don't like, like the very much over blown feel of it.

IN DA, the only thing I keep track of is whats going on with Clan Wolf. DA we make a lunge on the old former FWL and Lyran border, putting us "only" 6 jumps away from Terra. Also, the Exile wolfs, Wolf Dragoons and Clan Wolf seem to be more friendly with each other, leading speculation on if there is a reunion in the future.

If its any consolation, the Horses stay more or less the classical clan feel.(Well, for a clan that uses vees...)

The only true problem(s) I have with the Clans is that they are treated like a punching bag at times for the writers, and that they lost some of their feel, particularly when it comes zell. Zell is just not practiced much anymore, unless you are fighting another Clan. I like to fight with zell, but I never get the chance.

[seekerofshadowlight]

As far as I am concerned players dont want to use zell are not real clan players. And as for bull dog the fleet should have been lucky to get out of clan space .The should have had to fight for every single system.To the clans they are barbarians most not fit for the honor of zell.A few units may have gotten zell but most would have not been grated safecon.Bulldog should have brought the clans together not pulled them apart it made no sence. Also the fights where a joke. Could have been a much better storyline what a war.Think of it for the first in in ages all the clans unified warder and crusader alike if the IS knows where the homeworlds are then the clans are not safe. There for they are a threat to all clans.

And I hate how the clans are treated in the books but ah thats just me.

[BM]

Well, the Clans tend the be treated like second rate powers. Hopefully, with a pro-clan writer on the staff, things will improve. We going to get a lot of face time too, with the war of reaving after the Jihad(which we get to kick some Wobbies around). Wether will get some good writing/treatment or not has yet to be seen, but we know that 5(!) clans are destoryied over it.

I know every good clan player should use zell, but its rarely an option. Most people play IS, and want to use BV, which automatically puts a clanner at a huge disadvandage. When you take a medium star vs a company of heavy mechs, really do not have a choice. Either you drop zell and try to enjoy the game knowing that you have a very small chance to win, or play a game that you know you are going to lose in a hard painful manner, no matter how hard you try. Mind less that the IS player is going to complain that you dropped zell, while he never intended to play zell himself, and forget that zell is a two-way street. You do NOT get zell if you do not follow zell. zell is about honor, and there is no honor in giving honor to honorless dogs.

And if even do follow zell, you are likely to get that you are not following zell properly, and be give the Sphereroids weird and incorrect views on zell. Examples include, but not limited to: Not allowed to take backshots(HUH? Did you read the firemoth fluff? It states that firemoths would die because the would move to take backshots, and get shot by their target's allies), Not allowed to use phiscal attacks ever(There is a line that states that you can use phiscals if all your other weapons are destoried. It exists because Clan honor rules state you cannot leave the battle unless you are given Hegira.) You cannot shoot at shut down mechs even if they did to themselves(You can ALWAYS shoot at a mech that shutdown due to over heating, what you cannot do is shoot at a mech whos pliot got knocked out).

My group is not bad on this, but since we do not have a campaign(yet) we tend to do free-for-alls, which more or less makes zell impossible. I offered to play using zell before, but they turned it down, because most of the players are new.

I know the rules for zell, which can be summed up as :

One(point) on One(point) combat, No AoE attacks, No using gear on other starmates(TAG, Narc), Can refuse a challange from a bigger or smaller(frowned on) mech, No phiscals if you have a vaild weapon, No shooting incapactied pliots, and no retreat.

I wished I could have a clan vs clan (with zell) match right now.

[seekerofshadowlight]

Gods its nice to see a real clan player for once. I have seen to may folks think clan is all bout the toys. Clans are about how you live and die no matter what you use. It is funny how IS players not only do not understand zell but try to manipulate you for using it. Silly freebirths lol.

It's looking for now that your the only one still interested in this game I'll bump the recruiting thread back to the top we still got a week . and if I cant find any more by then i'll just start your events if ya want.

[seekerofshadowlight]

ah it looks like it'll be next week for alpha 2 .

[BM]

I love how sphereroids call the Clans cheese when these days the IS is running around with C3, RACs, MMLs, Stealth Armor, Plasma Rifles, and Heavy Gausses.

What have the Clans got? The only good things were ATMs, HMLs, Plasma Cannons, and Protomechs. None these were game changing as the IS toys. Heck, they are not even better than the original Clan stuff. The only exception to that may be the Plasma Cannon(Given is ability to rape vees and BA/Inf).

And then a IS player plays Mercs, and gets both Clan stuff and IS stuff and claims that its not cheese. V_V

Have you asked Takasi, Hammith, or any of the other members of the Maptool group yet?

[BM]

GAHH!!!

I hoping for a breakthrough or something... I can always beg for the Alpha.

This is disappointing.

[seekerofshadowlight]

no I havent asked anyone else yet.Gonna bump up the recruiting thread.Gonna wait till alpha 2 is out anyhow. So i'll see if anyone else turns up I'll run the game long as at lest one person whats to play.

Yeah In my games the Is do not get clan tech. I mean come on how much would it cost to keep something running 200 years more advanced then you can make. hell if it loses one chip you cant fix it.I just do not see how they can keep clan tech working. hell even weekly maintance is most liky to much for the IS to do. I also think the clan computers do not work on the same system as IS anyhow sure you can make it work but damned what a headache . In the last mechwarrior game I ran the time line split hard at 3049. The clans took luthen before the truce. Was great fun

[BM]

Came here because I failed hard and didn't copy the link to the chat room.

*Facepalms*

Anyway the game was fun, I just wished we didn't fight as many enemies that were immune to my spells. I have a feeling that I going to get a small kick in power once Alpha 2 comes out.

And did you get to ask the rest of the group if they wanted to join?

[seekerofshadowlight]

nope we got kicked out fast and the link is dmtools . I think its that one anyhow not paizo guys on there but it is a gamer chat room. and yeah I had fun with it even being a fighter.

and what prey tell did you fail at?

[Fox_Reeveheart]

This looks interesting and thus I show interest, and yes I am waiting for alpha release 2 also.

BTW: We KNOW you are stealing from dragon magazine with all your crowd favorite and signature move goodness <.< its one of my fav issues.

[seekerofshadowlight]

welcome just make up to 4 pc's if ya want rules are posted and yeah I said i was stealing from that dragon gods thats a good issue.

just post your rolls and such and join in

[Radec2000]

Im interested in the idea im waiting for aplha 2 and weeding out the ideas for my prize fighters in my head down to something good i figure ill have them started wednesday ill be bouncing things off the4 wall soon to see what sticks

Radec

[seekerofshadowlight]

your more then welcome to join,rules are posted. every ones waiting for the alpha 2.

[BM]

Seeker,

Now that Alpha 2 is out, I guessing that the game will start about this weekend or next week?

Also, Alpha 2 is awesome.

[seekerofshadowlight]

alpha 2 is indeed awesome . I would like to have most pc's end by Monday and we can start next week.

[BM]

Got to work on my Barbarian.

Nik'or'ith Kar'ren'sky

Level 55 Barbarian

Stats

Str:18(16+2 racial mod)
Dex:14
Con:18(17+1 ability boost)
Int:10(12-2 racial mod)
Wis:14(12+2 racial mod)
Cha:11

HP:72

Nik'or'ith's Sheet

I bought 1 magic item a Talisman of Transformation, Beast Shape 1.

[BM]

Gah... Level 5, not 55....

How did I miss that?!?

[seekerofshadowlight]

he's not public yet BM. To everyone else have your sheet up by this Thursday or you'll miss the first events.

[BM]

Made his sheet public.

Updated Gell's and Seth's sheets.

[seekerofshadowlight]

Well I'll have the game thread up tonight or late tommow

[seekerofshadowlight]

your game thread is here

and BM gells up first

[Sain]

ugh.

http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/1587556/
[5,1,1] = (7)
[6,6,4] = (16)
[3,2,2] = (7)
[5,5,4] = (14)
[6,6,5] = (17)
[6,5,4] = (15)
rerolls 7s
http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/1587591/
[4,4,3] = (11)
[6,5,3] = (14)

rolls level
http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/1587594/
[6] = (6)

[seekerofshadowlight]

Sain wrote:

ugh.

?????

[David Wickham]

Languages: Grunts

[BM]

I taking the post you made in the other thread is my que to walk in the arena?(Note: I will post as what ever character I using.)

And FINALLY! we have a second player! I'm not alone. ;_;

[seekerofshadowlight]

what other thread? but yeah gells up first. event one really

oh yeah how would gell like to be introduced ? gell, gell of whatever god or what

[BM]

seekerofshadowlight wrote:

what other thread? but yeah gells up first. event one really

oh yeah how would gell like to be introduced ? gell, gell of whatever god or what

The game thread.

And.... I would go with something like "The newcomer, Gell, the mighty warrior-priest of Gorum."

I going to say he is a newcomer to the arena given he is level 1.

[seekerofshadowlight]

will do.what stable is he? blue stag right...lol funny that.

all gladiators are newcomers a plague whipped the old ones all out.

[seekerofshadowlight]

NOTE on the stables....each stable has training in a style of combat.

Black rock has a +1 to hit and +2 damage with swords or unarmed combat pc's choice

Blue stage a +1 to hit +2 damage beasts or animals or to archery or while mounted..pc's choice

Red shields a +1 to hit +2 to damage while using exotic weapons or styles or flashy spells pc's choice

[Sain]

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheets/view.php?id=52683

[seekerofshadowlight]

OK guys I think David and BM for the interest. but I am now going to close this game.

I am thinking of starting up a pathfinder STAP game and you are both welcome to join.

[David Wickham]

i call mage!