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Hey, there is that at least one NPC PCs would probably leave alive in sanctum :D(and maybe even Xanderghul to be honest if party is type to accept surrenders since it IS possible for them to undo his immortality before defeating him first or second time)
But yeah, Xanderghul doesn't seem to have a city full of possible followers left like Belimarius has. Well, I guess he might have some giants and other followers in stasis if Alaznist didn't gank them as well
Also hey Belimarius does have great smug attitude(though it isn't as hilarious as what happens when Xanderghul is caught off guard) and I still don't really buy the ghost as main reason to kill her unless party are pharasmins. Mostly because as said back when spoiler tags were bothered to be used, that ghost doesn't seem to be interested in going to rest or getting revenge, she seems more interested in seeing the world or staying around to troll Belimarius
Problem is, there is no way given to take the girl with them, only how to put her to rest. To which the primary way to do so (as stated by herself) is killing Belimarius.
As for the Shadow Librarian, if she is alive at the end, she probably isn't besties with Xanderghul anymore, so no ressurection coming from there.
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I mean, its not like all ghosts are bound to their location right? Like stat wise, only reason they stay around a single location is their obsession. So presumably after breaking the well she is outside of the well free to do whatever she feels like. Besides, she seems perfectly willing to wait for Belimarius to enter the location even before you break the thing.
Yeah yeah, that was just nitpick about no one being left alive :D
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Well, I might be changing things a bit around for the girl, she's been bored for ten thousand years or so. I found her attitude quite charming. :p
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I mean, I found the entries about what the guy was doing when you find him pretty hilarious. I know he is stuck in his sanctum, but he either seems to sleeping, harassing the help or obsessively watching TV (i.e. scrying Sorshen). I'm really kinda sad that he most probably will get murderized by my guys. Belimarius, in contrast, wasn't fun at all in her description and I personally think that Vexnill gives the PC's an excellent motivation for finishing her off.
Then again, the PC's leave Xanderghul sanctum in shambles with probably no survivors, while Xin-Edasseril still stands after part five and there are probably quite a few motivated and capable people who'd bring Belimarius back. So it kind of makes more sense that of the two she is the one who canonically stays around.
Part of what I was trying to get across during the development of that area was a Howard Hughes level of paranoia; a powerful man too afraid to leave his own home.
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It came through quite well. Overall, I think this will be a very fun AP for my players and myself. So, thanks to you and the module writers for all the hard work! :)
Part of what I was trying to get across during the development of that area was a Howard Hughes level of paranoia; a powerful man too afraid to leave his own home.I mean, I found the entries about what the guy was doing when you find him pretty hilarious. I know he is stuck in his sanctum, but he either seems to sleeping, harassing the help or obsessively watching TV (i.e. scrying Sorshen). I'm really kinda sad that he most probably will get murderized by my guys. Belimarius, in contrast, wasn't fun at all in her description and I personally think that Vexnill gives the PC's an excellent motivation for finishing her off.
Then again, the PC's leave Xanderghul sanctum in shambles with probably no survivors, while Xin-Edasseril still stands after part five and there are probably quite a few motivated and capable people who'd bring Belimarius back. So it kind of makes more sense that of the two she is the one who canonically stays around.
"I want pecan ice cream from Cheliax!"
Servants get 100 gallons. Xanderghul eats a small bowl.
"Ok, I don't want this anymore."
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The hardest part for me about this is...
But also because Nocticula always came across to me as a more extreme version of Calistria's portfolio, where lust and murder tended to mesh together in disturbing ways, and nothing about her history seemed to suggest that she was particularly remorseful about what she'd done to gain power... ;)
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She came off way nicer than Iomedae in WotR, so I could see it immediately.
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I think Iomedae is kinda treated unfairly :p I mean flavorwise in Wrath she isn't trying to kill the party, the trumpet's flavor is essentially "Bzzt, wrong answer!" trivia contest buzzer with its purpose of being recentering yourself and "awakening". No idea why it does any damage in first place though.
But yaeh, I think its bit unfair towards her since you can tell in that scene the flavor and mechanics are contradicting each other
The hardest part for me about this is...
** spoiler omitted **
Well if in your homebrew a nation got destroyed already, the campaign setting has diverged already from default enough that does it really matter? :D
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As stated way above in the thread, we can't treat Nocticula like any common villain redemption story, anyway. A demon lord trascending its evil nature and becoming non-evil is such a unique happenstance, that I am kinda sad that we only see the outlines of it happening in RotRL. I understand that there simply wasn't place for another storyline, but this would actually have made at least one fascinating module. I'd really love if there were a web-enhancement, where we could help Ayavah or something like that and witness Nocticulas ascension.
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On side note, I do have lot of people who wanted full Zutha stats, but I honestly don't really care about getting stats for Zutha.
However I really wanted stats for his ten rings and ioun stones :'D I know there is no real need to stat Zutha's Crest and Crown, because they can be only used by him and his descendants, but would have been cool to know their mechanical effects.
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On side note, I forgot to say that when I was prepping Crimson Throne hardcover's Crown of Fangs part, I was pleasantly surprised to find out that Hallowed Lynx is actually originally from Crimson Throne flavor text in one random room :D That is cool call back for them to be made into actual creature(and they even give same bonus you can get in the room)
Huh, that's neat. :)
Huh, I just saw the trailer for Return of the Runelords on Youtube.
C'mon, James. We NEED a high-def wallpaper with a group shot of all seven Runelords (with the background of Mhar Massif, maybe?)! That looked epic as hell with six of them already. I'd absolutely buy a big-ass poster of that as well.
Huh, I just saw the trailer for Return of the Runelords on Youtube.
C'mon, James. We NEED a high-def wallpaper with a group shot of all seven Runelords (with the background of Mhar Massif, maybe?)! That looked epic as hell with six of them already. I'd absolutely buy a big-ass poster of that as well.
I second this!
Huh, I just saw the trailer for Return of the Runelords on Youtube.
C'mon, James. We NEED a high-def wallpaper with a group shot of all seven Runelords (with the background of Mhar Massif, maybe?)! That looked epic as hell with six of them already. I'd absolutely buy a big-ass poster of that as well.
Link or it didn't happen :P
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Ya that was cool.
Is this the first time they have done that ? or did I just miss it in the past ?
Saw one for Against the Aeon Throne before the Return of the Runelords one, but it would be neat if they keep making them.
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Ya that was cool.
Is this the first time they have done that ? or did I just miss it in the past ?
This is the only PF AP that I see a trailer for. They have some SF ones too. I hope this is something they'll continue to do going forward.
Any trailers for previous APs would be awesome too.
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Did anyone else have a problem with the physical binding of their print copy? I opened mine, and a few pages dropped out, and also it split from the backing, like something was wrong with the glue. I thought it might have been the cold during shipping somewhere, but my Starfinder AP issue seems fine.
That can happen very seldomly with individual volumes. Mine was fine, luckily. Contact customer support, they'll normally replace your book without issues.
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IIRC, there is a tiefling artist in Magnimar (the one responsible for the "entwined succubi" statues in several APs) who has worshipped the heretical version of Nocticula for a long time. She'll be delighted to hear that Nocticula is now officially CN.Yes, her name is Avayah, and this was long planned: You may have noticed that each part 6 book of any adventure path has a "motto" hidden in its small print on the credits page, often a literary quote fitting with the AP. For Wrath of the Righteous (back in 2014!), which featured Nocticula prominently, the quote in part 6 was "Avayah was right all along!"
The quote for Return of the Runelords, by the way, is: ** spoiler omitted **
Is there a list of all the statues that have appeared?
How can the print be unavailable? I was hoping to pick up whole AP, but alas last piece is missing? Usually the first one is sold out first
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How can the print be unavailable? I was hoping to pick up whole AP, but alas last piece is missing? Usually the first one is sold out first
Have to say that I have never seen final part being only one sold out out of six parts .-. Either there was less in stock or there was surprisingly large amount hungry for 20th level content?
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For each AP, we always sell fewer copies of the later volumes than the earlier ones, so we therefore also print fewer copies of later volumes than earlier ones, with the goal being to try to run out of all 6 volumes close to the same time. But even having historical data on dozens of APs doesn't guarantee we get those ratios right, and volume 6 does appear to have sold out before the first 5.
Our warehouse team will be doing a full inventory on our warehouse in January, so they could find some more, so maybe check this space a few times next month. No guarantees, though!
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It's Return of the Runelords, basically the AP which was meant to finish out 1E and only did not for schedule related reasons. It's an awesome AP, so I don't wonder at all that people wanted to have it.
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There is still a healthy interest in Pathfinder 1st Edition.
In fact, after our group of seven players is having a blast playing the "Curse of the Crimson Throne" hardcover, we won't be playing 2nd Edition for a long time.
I just completed buying the modules line for our yearly x-mas RPG sessions and we will be playing 2 or 3 of them with rotating GMs.
I wish Paizo would consider doing collection of sold-out APs every 2 or 3 years and i am looking forward to the Kingmaker hardcover in december of 2020.
It's Return of the Runelords, basically the AP which was meant to finish out 1E and only did not for schedule related reasons. It's an awesome AP, so I don't wonder at all that people wanted to have it.
Considering how much Tyrant's Grasp sets up the new state of the world for second edition (and the fact that it would be weird not to launch a new edition in the summer at Gen Con), I don't think that's true.
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It's Return of the Runelords, basically the AP which was meant to finish out 1E and only did not for schedule related reasons. It's an awesome AP, so I don't wonder at all that people wanted to have it.Considering how much Tyrant's Grasp sets up the new state of the world for second edition (and the fact that it would be weird not to launch a new edition in the summer at Gen Con), I don't think that's true.
Magnuskn is right, Rise of the Runelords was Pathfinder's first AP and originally Return of the Runelords was planned as last AP, which brings the Story of Varisia full circle over 20 levels of play.
Tyrant's Grasp on the other hand is a pretty jumbled AP, where only two parts feel like they are part of the same story and the only things that this AP does, is turning Lastwall into the Gravelands and freeing the Whispering Tyrant from his imprisonment under Gallowspire and placing him on the isle of Terror instead, something which is handled off-screen and can't be changed by the players.
All of that could have also happened in a 64 pages module.;-)
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Magnuskn is right, Rise of the Runelords was Pathfinder's first AP and originally Return of the Runelords was planned as last AP, which brings the Story of Varisia full circle over 20 levels of play.It's Return of the Runelords, basically the AP which was meant to finish out 1E and only did not for schedule related reasons. It's an awesome AP, so I don't wonder at all that people wanted to have it.Considering how much Tyrant's Grasp sets up the new state of the world for second edition (and the fact that it would be weird not to launch a new edition in the summer at Gen Con), I don't think that's true.
Got a source for this claim?
Tyrant's Grasp on the other hand is a pretty jumbled AP, where only two parts feel like they are part of the same story and the only things that this AP does, is turning Lastwall into the Gravelands and freeing the Whispering Tyrant from his imprisonment under Gallowspire and placing him on the isle of Terror instead, something which is handled off-screen and can't be changed by the players.
All of that could have also happened in a 64 pages module.;-)
There’s a LOT more going on than that. If you reduce an AP down to it’s most important events then that can apply to every AP obviously.
Well, I might be changing things a bit around for the girl, she's been bored for ten thousand years or so. I found her attitude quite charming. :p
Take a page from Monte Cook's Ghostwalk where being incorporeal is perfectly a viable state of being. I have visions of Pharesmian's heads exploding in rage if they ever found out about Ebberon's Elven lands that has positive energy undead and a vampire kingdom that is allied with several others. Plus Scarred Land's Hollowfaust thatshows us that yes, Necromancers can enjoy life.
So adopting a ghost girl and perhaps starting up a pro-ghost movement is a thign they can do.
Got a source for this claim?Magnuskn is right, Rise of the Runelords was Pathfinder's first AP and originally Return of the Runelords was planned as last AP, which brings the Story of Varisia full circle over 20 levels of play.It's Return of the Runelords, basically the AP which was meant to finish out 1E and only did not for schedule related reasons. It's an awesome AP, so I don't wonder at all that people wanted to have it.Considering how much Tyrant's Grasp sets up the new state of the world for second edition (and the fact that it would be weird not to launch a new edition in the summer at Gen Con), I don't think that's true.
James said so multiple times during discussions when the AP was coming out. Sorry, I'm not hunting the quotes down, I got about an hour to spend until I need to get to bed, because work tomorrow and I want to get a first look at Mechwarrior 5: Mercenaries before that.
