| The Gold Sovereign |
Just like our world we know more about Golarion's solar system then we do about it's oceans. Well it looks that might change.
The question is, would we really like to know more about it? ;)
Well, I really want to know more about othagu empires, Dagon's influence and the aquatic elves of Golarion. These are pretty iconic aquatic creatures, so I hope there is something good about them in this book.
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I'm really curious about the underwater settlements of Golarion and hope that there will be map of all of Golarion on the inside cover and not only of the Inner Sea.
I could also do without the cover illustration (sans text) on the inside back cover, although i understand if the illustration budget doesn't allow for additional art.
| The Gold Sovereign |
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Do we even know the names of Golarion's oceans?
Yes, "wiki" do. Antarkos Ocean, Arcadian Ocean, Embaral Ocean, Obari Ocean, Okaiyo Ocean.
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Now I know the reason that the Campaign Setting line had no products for so long. For the sake of authenticity, Paizo hired actual merfolk to write this volume. What they didn't account for was the long time it took each draft to dry out so that their air breathing editors could proofread them. ;)
Adam Daigle
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I wonder if Lake Lake Encarthan will get some love from this...
Otherwise excellent stuff! :)
Lake Encarthan isn't featured in this book. While developing it this week, I had some late regret for not ordering more text on some of the larger and more significant bodies of water that aren't oceans or seas (because that was on the forefront of my mind when I outlined and assigned the book).
| Fourshadow |
Well I am not surprised that this book doesn't have info on lakes since it is focused on oceans and seas.
One can have Aquatic Adventures in lakes and rivers... I do wish Lake Encarthan was in this...perhaps it could get its own book? Or include it with other lakes like the Lake of Mists and Veils. A Lake book or rivers and lakes sounds great to me.
Still excited to see this one as well.| Plausible Pseudonym |
Yes, but the book's description specifically mentions Oceans and Seas. There is no mention of lakes, rivers, streams, etc.
I agree, but in general it's not unreasonable for people to hope a book called Aquatic Adventures to cover all forms of possible aquatic adventures, just like it's not unreasonable to hope that a book called Adventurer's Guide to be a comprehensive guide to adventuring a few specific Golarion groups.
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For those wanting high quality underwater and water proximal adventuring content, Cerulean Seas has you covered:
Cerulean Seas - The core underwater adventure book, with a mini campaign setting as well.
Waves of Thought - Adds psionics (think Dreamscarred Press) to the underwater adventures presented in Cerulean Seas.
Indigo Ice - Polar seas and sea-proximal adventure content. Features the majestic and bloodthirsty penguin empire.
The Azure Abyss - Deep ocean adventures in the twilight and dark realms. There are elements of the underdark here, but also much more.
Celadon Shores - Features more content focusing on Eastern-inspired civilizations, mostly around shallow seas, lakes, and rivers this time in a flooded world.
Beasts of the Boundless Blue - Bestiary for all of the above. Each book previously mentioned has an incredible bestiary in it, and this collects a number of previously published creatures and adds a whole bunch more. The awesome:filler ratio is pretty good in this one too.
I hope that Paizo doesn't reinvent the wheel again with Aquatic Adventures and instead borrows some of what works from Cerulean Seas and similar products. Or if they do decide to retread well walked paths they produce something superior. More underwater content is always welcome.
| Caedwyr |
Caedwyr wrote:I hope that Paizo doesn't reinvent the wheel again with Aquatic Adventures and instead borrows some of what works from Cerulean Seas and similar products. Or if they do decide to retread well walked paths they produce something superior. More underwater content is always welcome.?
To expand, in the past when paizo has covered content that was previously covered by another publisher they have typically recreated all that content as though no one else has ever done something (in scientific sense, they don't do literature searches). In some cases in the past several years, this has resulted in the paizo solution being rather poor (see gun rules) compared to what had already been done by others for the Pathfinder system. More recently, they have seemed to do less of that, of which as David knott 242 notes, Occult Adventures does something new compared to Psionics Unleashed. It is my hope that they either adopt some of the underwater adventure systems provided in Cerulean Seas, don't rush in to fill those gaps with a different system just for the sake of being different, or even take a system provided by others and improve upon it.
The addition of designers like Alex Augunas, Mark Seifter, and Owen Stephens who have a broad knowledge of 3rd party products is probably a contributing factor to why we've seen more of the second and third options on my list, and that makes me happy.
A great 3rd party example of that is actually the Cerulean Seas books and how they handle a lot of Paizo content. Other good examples include the Leadership Handbook, Ultimate War and Ultimate Battle (and many other Legendary Games products), Ultimate Charisma, Companions of the Firmament, and many others I can't recall at the moment.
So this post is really more of a saying "I hope paizo continues to follow recent practices and do their literature search/research on what is already out there for this content, and then build on that foundation or take inspiration/improve what others have done." This seems to produce higher quality products which I am all for.
To add to my previous lists, there is some great underwater adventure content by Kobold Press: Sunken Empires that is worth taking a look at as well for inspiration.
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Rysky wrote:Caedwyr wrote:I hope that Paizo doesn't reinvent the wheel again with Aquatic Adventures and instead borrows some of what works from Cerulean Seas and similar products. Or if they do decide to retread well walked paths they produce something superior. More underwater content is always welcome.?To expand, in the past when paizo has covered content that was previously covered by another publisher they have typically recreated all that content as though no one else has ever done something (in scientific sense, they don't do literature searches). In some cases in the past several years, this has resulted in the paizo solution being rather poor (see gun rules) compared to what had already been done by others for the Pathfinder system. More recently, they have seemed to do less of that, of which as David knott 242 notes, Occult Adventures does something new compared to Psionics Unleashed. It is my hope that they either adopt some of the underwater adventure systems provided in Cerulean Seas, don't rush in to fill those gaps with a different system just for the sake of being different, or even take a system provided by others and improve upon it.
The addition of designers like Alex Augunas, Mark Seifter, and Owen Stephens who have a broad knowledge of 3rd party products is probably a contributing factor to why we've seen more of the second and third options on my list, and that makes me happy.
A great 3rd party example of that is actually the Cerulean Seas books and how they handle a lot of Paizo content. Other good examples include the Leadership Handbook, Ultimate War and Ultimate Battle (and many other Legendary Games products), Ultimate Charisma, Companions of the Firmament, and many others I can't recall at the moment.
So this post is really more of a saying "I hope paizo continues to follow recent practices and do their literature search/research on what is already out there for this content, and then build on that foundation or take inspiration/improve...
This isn't Cerulean Seas' Product Discussion thread...really doesn't belong.
Also, Paizo doesn't need to keep track of what someone else created. Paizo is Pathfinder, basically. Others can create, hence the license, but Paizo doesn't have to recognize other products as canon.| Caedwyr |
This isn't Cerulean Seas' Product Discussion thread...really doesn't belong.
Also, Paizo doesn't need to keep track of what someone else created. Paizo is Pathfinder, basically. Others can create, hence the license, but Paizo doesn't have to recognize other products as canon.
This misses the point of what I was attempting to communicate, but I will take the hint and get lost.
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Fourshadow wrote:This misses the point of what I was attempting to communicate, but I will take the hint and get lost.This isn't Cerulean Seas' Product Discussion thread...really doesn't belong.
Also, Paizo doesn't need to keep track of what someone else created. Paizo is Pathfinder, basically. Others can create, hence the license, but Paizo doesn't have to recognize other products as canon.
Wow. Sorry you got that impression...point was meant to be "this needs its own thread".
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Thomas Seitz wrote:Lake Encarthan isn't featured in this book. While developing it this week, I had some late regret for not ordering more text on some of the larger and more significant bodies of water that aren't oceans or seas (because that was on the forefront of my mind when I outlined and assigned the book).I wonder if Lake Lake Encarthan will get some love from this...
Otherwise excellent stuff! :)
Aw. Well I guess there's always next Campaign Setting book about lakes maybe.
I'm just glad to have aquatic adventures. :)
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This isn't Cerulean Seas' Product Discussion thread...really doesn't belong.
Wondering how Paizo's take on underwater adventures will compare with a 3pp's well-respected take on the same topic does belong here.
Also, Paizo doesn't need to keep track of what someone else created.
Of course, they don't need to. But I think it would be foolish for them to ignore the excellent work in Cerulean Seas.
Isn't borrowing other peoples' work (and building on it) why there's an Open Gaming License in the first place?
| Steve Geddes |
Thomas Seitz wrote:Lake Encarthan isn't featured in this book. While developing it this week, I had some late regret for not ordering more text on some of the larger and more significant bodies of water that aren't oceans or seas (because that was on the forefront of my mind when I outlined and assigned the book).I wonder if Lake Lake Encarthan will get some love from this...
Otherwise excellent stuff! :)
Who were the other key staff? (by which I mean the Designers I guess, if I've got my terminology right).
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I'm both excited and scared.
Excited: love underwater / ocean civilizations in fantasy
Scared: when this was done in past, previous settings that shall remain nameless, it heralded the end of days for the setting i.e. backburner item to be developed at the end.... please don't make this the watery grave of Golarion! :(
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Adam Daigle wrote:Who were the other key staff? (by which I mean the Designers I guess, if I've got my terminology right).Thomas Seitz wrote:Lake Encarthan isn't featured in this book. While developing it this week, I had some late regret for not ordering more text on some of the larger and more significant bodies of water that aren't oceans or seas (because that was on the forefront of my mind when I outlined and assigned the book).I wonder if Lake Lake Encarthan will get some love from this...
Otherwise excellent stuff! :)
Technically, we would call them the "authors". Of course, in this case, a designer was one of the authors, thus confusing things further!
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Scared: when this was done in past, previous settings that shall remain nameless, it heralded the end of days for the setting i.e. backburner item to be developed at the end.... please don't make this the watery grave of Golarion! :(
I don't see any indication that this is the case.
1) This isn't those other settings released by whichever company they were released by. This is Paizo, and Paizo has its own business model.
2) It seems to me that this product is made support the Ruins of Azlant adventure path due to begin next August'ish.
Adam Daigle
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I hope this means we will get a Azlant campaign setting book sometime next year as well.
From the Office of Expectation Management
There is not going to be an Azlant Campaign Setting book next year. Aquatic Adventures is serving as the "tie-in" book for the Ruins of Azlant Adventure Path (as Heine and others surmised above). I felt that having an entire Campaign Setting book would spoil much of the mystery of the lost continent, and preferred to have that kind of information come from the Adventure Path little by little instead of laying out the buffet.