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Well, technically it comes out around the time that AP will be finishing up.
But also, finally. Wanted something like this for a while.
Wonder why this isn't coming out for Hell's Veangence.
Seems like it would be the perfect supplement to those aspiring Hellknights.
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Wonder why this isn't coming out for Hell's Veangence.
Seems like it would be the perfect supplement to those aspiring Hellknights.
Because there is more to The Hellknights than being a jack booted thug for the Cheliax Empire.
Also it is coming out in time for Hell's Vengence...in that people should not start running a AP till it is all out anyway.
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YAY!!! More HELLKNIGHTS!!!
I am happy to see this one coming out. I've wanted to see extended information on te Hellknights for a long time. Thank you, Paizo!
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Wonder why this isn't coming out for Hell's Veangence.
Seems like it would be the perfect supplement to those aspiring Hellknights.Because there is more to The Hellknights than being a jack booted thug for the Cheliax Empire.
Also it is coming out in time for Hell's Vengeance...in that people should not start running a AP till it is all out anyway.
There's PLEEEEEENTY of time for this to still be relevant to the end of the Hell's Vengeance Adventure Path—particularly the issue that releases in the same month.
This might have been slated for earlier, but we bumped it back because I needed to finish volume one of this AP and can only write these things so fast, YOU. JACKALS.
Will there be more info in the book on Paladins and Hellknights?
Like, what did you have in mind?
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Hmm, I wonder if it will have anything on the Order of the Crux...
REJOICE! This will have more details on ALL of the Hellknight orders that you want!
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I am happy to see this one coming out. I've wanted to see extended information on te Hellknights for a long time. Thank you, Paizo!
No, no. Thank YOU for being so enthusiastic!
I hope we get a nice spread showing all the variations on Hellknight armor, and rivalries. Also maybe hints at what is going on with the Order of the Gate, or how Hellknights have interacted with other orders of Knights.
Any particular other orders you're interested in?
I Plan on getting this book as I rather like the Hellknights
Good man.
Will there be more info in the book on Paladins and Hellknights?Like, what did you have in mind?
what do you have in mind?
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All I know is my mind is aswirl of joy at more Hellknight info. :)
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what do you have in mind?Will there be more info in the book on Paladins and Hellknights?Like, what did you have in mind?
The fastest path to that answer involves the "Add to Cart" button. ;)
I really didn't care for Hell Knights, one way or the other, then I got Turn of the Torrent.
Bravo! A Hell Knight order I can totally relate to, and the armor! Yes.
The fastest path to that answer involves the "Add to Cart" button. ;)what do you have in mind?Will there be more info in the book on Paladins and Hellknights?Like, what did you have in mind?
I'm almost positive there's a couple of more steps after that, unless of course, you wanna pick up the tab ;-D
*feels like he can relate to Order of the Godclaw and Order of the Nail*
I haven't found much else other than the extinct order, Order of the Vice.
I think Wesley was saying more about the other HELLKNIGHT orders than Knightly Orders, David.
Though I freely admit I could be wrong.
On one hand, I hate the Hellknights, being the epitome of unforgiving law and all. On the other, I find a lot of the orders have an interesting story to them. Either way, I want this book.
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*wants this book just because Hellknights are cool* :)
Psi-signifiers! Hellbringers! Hellmaster mounts!
Ahem.... actually more on Citadel Enferac and the Gate within would be awesome.
Actually Psi-signifiers would still be cool...Thanks!
I think psionics isn't probably going to be a huge part of Hellknights.
No idea about psychic magic or occult rules...
Thomas,
I was referencing a certain British comic strip which the Hellknights refer to. See this thread which also forecast this book seven and a half years ago! All good things take time...
I know takes time. I'm still waiting for a HC of Curse of the Crimson Throne.
Regardless, I'm happy it's coming.
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Wonder why this isn't coming out for Hell's Veangence.
Seems like it would be the perfect supplement to those aspiring Hellknights.Because there is more to The Hellknights than being a jack booted thug for the Cheliax Empire.
Also it is coming out in time for Hell's Vengeance...in that people should not start running a AP till it is all out anyway.
There's PLEEEEEENTY of time for this to still be relevant to the end of the Hell's Vengeance Adventure Path—particularly the issue that releases in the same month.
This might have been slated for earlier, but we bumped it back because I needed to finish volume one of this AP and can only write these things so fast, YOU. JACKALS.
I'm also quite sure that the majority of players do not play adventure paths as they are coming out. So, saying that this products "comes out too late" seems a little silly.
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More on Order of the God Claw please! I'm playing an Order of the God Claw Hellknight in Rise of the Runelords. :) He is loosely based upon Javert from Les Miserables. It's been a lot of fun.
This will be in my cart for sure, I like the Hellknights and find them intriguing.
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Info on how the newer Occult classes may/may not fit into the organization would be awesome.
I would love to see traits that help various classes feel more "hellknight"...
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Info on how the newer Occult classes may/may not fit into the organization would be awesome.
In particular, it'd be nice to see a way for psychic casters to become Hellknight signifiers - the way the class is currently written, it's virtually impossible and/or nonfunctional.
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Will there be more info in the book on Paladins and Hellknights?Like, what did you have in mind?
I would love more information on how a paladin is able to join a group knowing it supports an evil government and how a paladin is able to get around the paladin code. To me Hellknights and Paladins just don't mix and how there are Paladins in the Hellknights has just not been explained to my satisfaction.
As an example your opening line for the blurp of this book
"Merciless, black armored enforcers, Hellknights care nothing for good or evil, only the order’s absolute, unflinching vision of law."
does not fit what a paladin is. A paladin is more then just law they care about good and evil.
I wouldn't mind seeing an updated version of that 'Hellrider' PrC from an old issue of Wayfinder that allowed you to bring your cavalier into the Hellknights. And while I doubt there could be room for it, a Hellknight cavalier order would be very appreciated.
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I hope we get a nice spread showing all the variations on Hellknight armor, and rivalries. Also maybe hints at what is going on with the Order of the Gate, or how Hellknights have interacted with other orders of Knights.Any particular other orders you're interested in?
What I would like to see is some of the differences between the Knights and the Signifers; ie, relations between the two aspects, do all Orders include Signifers, and what are the original class spreads amongst the two aspects (rangers vs fighters vs cavaliers and cleric vs wizard vs oracle, etc.)
As others have mentioned, I would love to see the Signifer PrC be updated to include psychic casters. Maybe a feat a la warrior priest that allows psychic casters to advance in their OG class with levels of Signifer.
Do we have art for all of the Order's symbols? Do the other orders have identifying tattoos? So far the Nail and the Scourge do.
I know you mentioned this will have info on all the orders. Does this include the orders that are no more?
I think a few pages of excerpts from The Measure and The Chain spread in here and there, similar to the three Books of the Damned, would be nice. One more thing about the M&C, how do the Hellknights approach religion? I have always seen them as outside and above the petty squabbles of the clergy, but I would think a few would have strong opinions about the matter. I can see Abadar having a place amongst the Order of the Scourge, but not say among the Order of the Pyre. Because of this, how prevalent are Inquisitors in the various orders?
Are the Hellknights expansionistic? Do they see the lands around Cheliax as fruit ripe for picking, barbarous monstrosities that need the grace of order and discipline, or beyond their interests? Just imagine the possibilities of the Nintxa, Pintxa, and the Saint Abrogail loaded with Hellknights sent to Arcadia with the mandate to "pacify" the natives in advance of Chelish colonies. Or Castrovel.
I don't need stat blocks of the Lictors. Art yes, but I don't need much more than that and names.
Ooh! Relics! An organization built on order and discipline is bound to have traditions that are not broken or ignored. The Mask of the First Signifer or a dead Lictor's breastplate with a hole punched through the left side for example, would naturally have a place of importance. I envision each Order as having these relics which give them a sense of purpose or reminders of what is at stake if they falter.
Thanks, Wes. I'm looking forward to this book quite a bit.
Wonder if this supplement will have Hellknight Armiger archetypes of common classes for entry (including spellcasting classes)? Also wonder if it will update the Hellknight prestige classes to work well with more recently released material (including said archetypes, of more classes than were around when the prestige classes were written).
Very cool!
Hellknights care nothing for good or evil? Funny, I think the Signifiers pretty much qualify as border line Diabolists.
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Hmm, I wonder if it will have anything on the Order of the Crux...REJOICE! This will have more details on ALL of the Hellknight orders that you want!
OOOO, so will there be stuff on the Order of the Vice?
Either way, looking forward to this book since Hellknights and Eagle Knights share the top spot in my list of favorite Golarion Factions(with the Shackles pirates coming in a close second).
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I personally want to see more on the Chain and Measure and what the Hellknights actual punishments for crimes are. Not all crimes mind, that'd take forever but most the major ones and what the Hellknights consider appropriate responses for them and such.
I know they kill people for conspiracy to commit treason based on the various tidbits here and there but otherwise...