Dragons are not overused in pathfinder, demons and devils are highly overused. Though I am tired of chromatic and umbral dragons.
D&D Dragons are overused in general, especially Red Dragons, people confuse them with mythology dragons, who look nothing like those D&D rainbow things.
The only D&D Dragons that aren't overused are the most promising and interesting ones as usual, the Purple/Deep Dragon, the Grey/Fang Dragon and the Brown/Sand Dragon. Oh and the Mercury Dragon and beautiful Sun Wyrm.
There is no evidence suggesting that pachycephalosaurus grew to be as big as a t-rex. And I'm not sure that cave people could easily kill a smilodon. It probably took several cave people and a lot of effort. There would probably be casualties. But that also depends on what cave people you're referring to.
"What's he doing now?"
"He's eating bushes, that's what he's doing."--- Bill Cosby
what about the overuse of dragons?The only dragons that get overused are that D&D Dragons, mythology dragons never get overused, they most are after the Wyvern then or the good natured Chinese Dragons, but Peluda, Gaasyendietha and Shen aren't overused.
I'm not a disliker of all overused stuff though, Medusa, Minotaur, Harpy and Hydra (overused Greek Myths) never get old in my book
But people will always go for the most known stuff, take that series Gotham, a guy that resembles the overused Joker dies in that series, and many people stop watching, they don't care about the more interesting, less known villians at all and don't even give them a chance to shine and become their own Joker, that is what frustrates the hell out of me, and while normally I wouldn't mind the Joker as I really like him, such people make me dislike him, this is an wild example, but it is pretty much the same for me with D&D Dragons, WOlverine from the X-men, Soccer (Sport), Zombies, Vampires and Werewolves (horror-movies), Smilodon (prehistoric beasts), Great White Sharks (animal programms) and Tyrannosaurus Rex (dinosaurs).
The world keeps drowning itself in the old stuff, which is fine and all, but at least give some attention to the more interesting monsters, movies, animals, characters and sports.This isn't the case in Pathfinder at all, while they give the D&D Dragons a lot of thought and space, the other less known myths and stuff flow richly into the AP's and Monster Books! And that is really cool.
yeah, but I wouldn't call a lizard with a bit different colored scales and a new unpronounceable name interesting. Mythology is limited cause most of the creatures are based on real life animals.
what about the overuse of dragons?The only dragons that get overused are that D&D Dragons, mythology dragons never get overused, they most are after the Wyvern then or the good natured Chinese Dragons, but Peluda, Gaasyendietha and Shen aren't overused.
I'm not a disliker of all overused stuff though, Medusa, Minotaur, Harpy and Hydra (overused Greek Myths) never get old in my book
But people will always go for the most known stuff, take that series Gotham, a guy that resembles the overused Joker dies in that series, and many people stop watching, they don't care about the more interesting, less known villians at all and don't even give them a chance to shine and become their own Joker, that is what frustrates the hell out of me, and while normally I wouldn't mind the Joker as I really like him, such people make me dislike him, this is an wild example, but it is pretty much the same for me with D&D Dragons, WOlverine from the X-men, Soccer (Sport), Zombies, Vampires and Werewolves (horror-movies), Smilodon (prehistoric beasts), Great White Sharks (animal programms) and Tyrannosaurus Rex (dinosaurs).
The world keeps drowning itself in the old stuff, which is fine and all, but at least give some attention to the more interesting monsters, movies, animals, characters and sports.This isn't the case in Pathfinder at all, while they give the D&D Dragons a lot of thought and space, the other less known myths and stuff flow richly into the AP's and Monster Books! And that is really cool.
So instead of letting people's negative feelings turn you off from a subject, you let people's positive feelings turn you off? That's as putty-brained as the original concept, with the added benefit of lacking even the excuse that other people's opinion might be valid that the former has going for it.
Hating things because they are popular is ridiculous enough. Assuming that those things should be less powerful because they are popular (April O'Neil could beat Wolverine in a fight) is just bizarre.
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Yeah, just let it go for now. He's actually not being nearly as unreasonable as he has been in the past. I do not agree with his opinion here, but he's just explaining it and not trying to enforce it, so for him that's an improvement.
So for everyone who has the book/pdf as well, what are your top 10 art pieces in the book?
I haven't decided on mine and will have to think about it.
Back on track, could anyone describe the following Japanese monsters for me as they appear in the book:
Bisha ga tsuku
Akaname
Heikegani
Isonade
Kawa Akago
Kurobozu
*always choose Orcus*
Because that is the most overused and loved demon lord of D&D?
Automaticaly that makes him my least favorite.
No because he's actually Clark Peterson in real life.
Also someone showed me a picture of the Cervinal Agathion. I like this one better.
What background fluff and lore is given for the Astomoi besides "shadowy faceless psychic people"?
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So for everyone who has the book/pdf as well, what are your top 10 art pieces in the book?
I haven't decided on mine and will have to think about it.
Apallie (he's basically an adorable flubber)
Anunnaki
Lipika Aeon
Bagiennik
Wood Colossus (it's like a Tim Burton Gothic monster house on 2 legs and its awesome)
The Deep One Hybrid looks right on point
The Gristly Demodand (thing is horrifying metal)
Ovinnik
Limnal Sprite...
Actually I probably have way more than 10, there is a lot of really good art here. The Orang Pendak had some pretty awesome art too.
my favorite designs/art are the Akaname, Apallie, Brain Mole Monarch, Encantado, Hobkins, Kurobozu, Deep Merfolk, and all the Sakhils
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Back on track, could anyone describe the following Japanese monsters for me as they appear in the book:
Bisha ga tsuku
Akaname
Heikegani
Isonade
Kawa Akago
Kurobozu
Bisha ga tsuku = a round...thing with eyes, obscured by mists/clouds, with a pair of legs sticking out
Akaname = a black-eyed, pretty nasty looking goblinoid like creature
Heikegani = crab with an angry samurai like mask on its carapace
Isonade = Shark with armored spines/osteoderms
Kawa Akago = a spike-lined lily pad with small eyes
Kurobozu = a gape-mouthed, empty-eyed gray undead dude, on all fours
There is no evidence suggesting that pachycephalosaurus grew to be as big as a t-rex. And I'm not sure that cave people could easily kill a smilodon. It probably took several cave people and a lot of effort. There would probably be casualties. But that also depends on what cave people you're referring to."What's he doing now?"
"He's eating bushes laced with quaaludes, that's what he's doing. MUAHAHA!!!"
--- Bill Cosby
Cosby is a creep.
Kal,
Also agree with Doc, the art for Sakils is just scary, crazy awesome.
I really like the art for the Lipika Aeon, Apallie, Esoteric Dragons(except the Occult), Aether Elemental, Fastachee, Glaistig, Liminal Sprite, Vishap, and Thought Eater.
I also like the Annunaki, Ghoran, Grays, Hopkins Turu, Wakandagi, and all the other dragons.
Is Fext still the futuristic worldwar 2-thing? Or can it be put together with other Medieval monsters now? But Fext never were Medieval monsters, they are made-up during 1900 or something like that. Think I don't really care, they are among my least favorite myth monsters anyway.
All this Liminal Sprite talk got me curious.
So instead of letting people's negative feelings turn you off from a subject, you let people's positive feelings turn you off? That's as putty-brained as the original concept, with the added benefit of lacking even the excuse that other people's opinion might be valid that the former has going for it.
No, I let mass-useage turn me off, they start to annoy me because they appear in every movie, comic, series, whatever and always get the spotlights on them, while the others must be happy to grab a spot, that is annoying for me, especially if we known everything about them already and they still got the high-lights because some people can't think further than 1,2 and 3 and don't give anything beyond that a chance because their soccer-minds can't handle that much information at once.
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So instead of letting people's negative feelings turn you off from a subject, you let people's positive feelings turn you off? That's as putty-brained as the original concept, with the added benefit of lacking even the excuse that other people's opinion might be valid that the former has going for it.No, I let mass-useage turn me off, they start to annoy me because they appear in every movie, comic, series, whatever and always get the spotlights on them, while the others must be happy to grab a spot, that is annoying for me, especially if we known everything about them already and they still got the high-lights because some people can't think further than 1,2 and 3 and don't give anything beyond that a chance because their soccer-minds can't handle that much information at once.
I know what you mean. Your Wolverine example really resonated with me. I was a huge Wolverine fan when the character first appeared in the comics. At this point I'm just numb from the overexposure.
Is Fext still the futuristic worldwar 2-thing? Or can it be put together with other Medieval monsters now? But Fext never were Medieval monsters, they are made-up during 1900 or something like that. Think I don't really care, they are among my least favorite myth monsters anyway.
Futuristic? They are from the Thirty Years' War (1618-1648)
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Futuristic? They are from the Thirty Years' War (1618-1648)Is Fext still the futuristic worldwar 2-thing? Or can it be put together with other Medieval monsters now? But Fext never were Medieval monsters, they are made-up during 1900 or something like that. Think I don't really care, they are among my least favorite myth monsters anyway.
Myth Lord is referring to their original Pathfinder appearance in Pathfinder Adventure Path #71: Rasputin Must Die!. ^_^
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For the record, both the fext and the trench mist have had their World War II-ness scrubbed off.
This applies to the art as well.
Yeah? That is awesome to hear! Can't wait to see those artworks!
Futuristic? They are from the Thirty Years' War (1618-1648)
Really?
So Fext don't use guns? As in the 1600erds they didn't had guns at all.
But I let myself be confused by the Fext from the horror-movie and Pathfinder, in which the Fext were both German Soldiers.
Never gave them a good read on Google I must confess, as I thought the Pathfinder version was correct.
I'm even happier to read that the Trench Mist is getting a re-work as well, even though it was from world-war II I still had a weak spot for it, I just love mist/fog monsters I guess.
And now I understand why these creatures got into bestiary 5, and the living tank didn't.
And only 1 more week before Bestiary 5 is out in the open for PDF buyers! Tomorrow 3/4 more pictures from Liz to sate the appetite!
I didn't buy the hardcover, not because I didn't wanted it, but mostly because of the post-system here which sucks, and I was afraid that Holland is special and it takes longer so I get the PDF even after the 18th.
I can't wait to get my physical copy.
For the record, both the fext and the trench mist have had their World War II-ness scrubbed off.
This applies to the art as well.
Yeah? That is awesome to hear! Can't wait to see those artworks!
Futuristic? They are from the Thirty Years' War (1618-1648)Really?
So Fext don't use guns? As in the 1600erds they didn't had guns at all.
But I let myself be confused by the Fext from the horror-movie and Pathfinder, in which the Fext were both German Soldiers.
Never gave them a good read on Google I must confess, as I thought the Pathfinder version was correct.
Thirty Years' War covers when The Three Musketeers was set, so guns were big in Europe by then, even somewhere as far west as France.
But not the stupid guns we use in these ages, the Magnums and all that machine guns.
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For the record, both the fext and the trench mist have had their World War II-ness scrubbed off.
This applies to the art as well.
Yeah? That is awesome to hear! Can't wait to see those artworks!
Futuristic? They are from the Thirty Years' War (1618-1648)Really?
So Fext don't use guns? As in the 1600erds they didn't had guns at all.
Still no new Lamia, I think we have more types of sphinx then lamia now.
I'm kinda ok with 2 lamia, a lesser and a greater, the other Lamia from the AP's weren't really my thing and they were too Golarion-specific.
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Kal,
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Also agree with Doc, the art for Sakils is just scary, crazy awesome.
Yeah they are like a gorgeous Chronenburg nightmare and I want to use the crap out of them. Also love that they have easy to summon.
Now as for the Fext can someone explain the appeal of the new artwork for me? The thing looks like a dozen different pieces of the paladin and antipaladin art super glued together in Photoshop with a new cool head thrown on it. Like don't get me wrong, I understand the want to mideval up the Fext for the hardback but the new art for it sans the head looks really busy and cheap and the art from Reign of Winter looked pretty setting neutral. Hell they even have the same stat line loadout.
Setting Neutral? That thing looked like it belonged to World War 2. I'm kinda happy they changed it into a anti-paladin type creature.
Still curious at the artwork.
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Cosby is a creep.
Possibly. Maybe even probably. But a lot of accusations don't equal a conviction, or even a charge. When's the trial?
IAC, his comedy routines are still funny.
The new Fext artwork was done by the same person who did a lot of the artwork for the sample races from the ARG (I think). I admit to not being a huge fan of that particular artist/art style.
As long as its not done by the artist of the Old Reaper/SPringheel-Jack, the artist of the Graeae/Dorvae/Manitou or the artist of the Bestiary 1 Chimera and Griffon i'm fine I guess lol.
Which creatures from AP's and other Products (Delgeth and Tizheruk for example) have new artwork in this bestiary?
Could someone describe the Wakandagi and the Egregore?
Are Wakandagi good (hope not) or evil/neutral (I hope so)?
Didn't like the Fext art as well. Also disappointed in the lack of attractive female art in this one. In fact only one of the celestials is female and the only way you can tell is she has boobs because she wears a mask. Finally the Glaistig has good art but they didn't give any kind of bust at all so she looks like she is a child though I am not sure if that was the intent or not.