Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Inner Sea Races (PFRPG)

I hope there will be some new info like were did Halflings come from, who/what created them, why are they found with humans most of the time.

Indeed, but Paizo seems to be being rather coy about that little nugget.

Well, reporting back after completing the summoning ritual, and the answer was more complicated than expected, so for now, it remains at "Maybe."

That sounds mysterious and suspicious somehow.

Can still see a whole AP centered around a global halfling uprising, some catering more dark forces like Thamir Gixx, other sway to Desna and Chaldira, to save the poor misguided humans and others.

Has the new artwork been submitted to you guys yet?

Will ever race in the book get new artwork, well at every race that has a page or more of information anyway?

will all the racial feats in the book be reprints or will there be some new ones as well?

Dragon78 wrote:

I hope there will be some new info like were did Halflings come from, who/what created them, why are they found with humans most of the time.

Indeed, but Paizo seems to be being rather coy about that little nugget.

That's easy. Halflings came first, humans are dire halflings.

Luthorne wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

I hope there will be some new info like were did Halflings come from, who/what created them, why are they found with humans most of the time.

Indeed, but Paizo seems to be being rather coy about that little nugget.

That's easy. Halflings came first, humans are dire halflings.

So, humans are halflings with the giant subtype?

Maybe a clan of pre-Age of Serpents halflings stumbled onto a wayward shipment of Androffan herakleophorbia IV?

I hope there will be some new info like were did Halflings come from, who/what created them, why are they found with humans most of the time.

I do have a pretty good idea for this, but I'm not sure we're yet ready to reveal the truth. We're still being coy, in other words. We'll see if this book is the right place to reveal that bit. No promises.

Has the new artwork been submitted to you guys yet?

Will ever race in the book get new artwork, well at every race that has a page or more of information anyway?

will all the racial feats in the book be reprints or will there be some new ones as well?

We've got most, if not all, of the new artwork in. There's a LOT of new artwork, but I'm not sure every race gets new art. I suspect they might.

At this point, we're still sorting out how much of the rules will be reprints and how much will be new. I want to reprint the rules that have risen to the top—the ones that have become iconic or are important to the race or are otherwise load bearing, and not reprint the ones that weren't as popular or important and then come up with new stuff to fill those gaps, but we're still figuring that all out.

So you mean we will get the aasimar/tiefling heritages but not the "elven magic bakery";)

Have you seen the new art Mr. James Jacobs?

Will this book have any new races, monsters, animal companions, familiars, etc.?

Any chance of any new deities specific to one or more races?

Dragon78 wrote:

Has the new artwork been submitted to you guys yet?

Will ever race in the book get new artwork, well at every race that has a page or more of information anyway?

will all the racial feats in the book be reprints or will there be some new ones as well?

We've got most, if not all, of the new artwork in. There's a LOT of new artwork, but I'm not sure every race gets new art. I suspect they might.

Every race that has an entire section to themselves gets new art. But there are spreads like "Aliens" and "Races of the Dragon Empires" that have multiple races but only one piece of art.

Q: Will there a table-like appendix (or something of the sort) that collects all the 'most important' (or interesting!) data for each (sub)race, including information like "most prevalent/common in...", "most likely to worship...", "most common languages known (up to 3)", "most common alignment", etc. (and not just 'crunchy' information like racial stat bonuses & such) in this book?

Sort of like what done for Inner Sea Gods? And kinda like that given in Races of Faerûn... Although perhaps in an easier-to-absorb-at-a-glance format? (Again, like Inner Sea Gods.)

Such a table would, at the very least, be a useful summary on the various races, rather than having to read through a paragraph of text that might, for space reasons, not even include 'equal' information for every race, particularly the less common and obscure ones.

And even if such a table couldn't include all relevant information about the different races found in the Inner Sea, it could be a means of presenting relatively detailed information on even obscure races/subraces in a rather succinct manner.

Perhaps?...

Looking forward to this product regardless.

Carry on!

--C.

Yeah, I might've repeated the same points above... It's late where I'm at! :p

If Catfolk are only getting a paragraph or so of info does this mean they are in section with other races, maybe something like races beyond the inner sea, races of Garund, or something like that?

Wich one race got to have art for Aliens? Dragon Empire? Genie-kin?

If Catfolk are only getting a paragraph or so of info does this mean they are in section with other races, maybe something like races beyond the inner sea, races of Garund, or something like that?

Wich one race got to have art for Aliens? Dragon Empire? Genie-kin?

Catfolk and geniekin both have their own sections.

So you mean we will get the aasimar/tiefling heritages but not the "elven magic bakery";)

Have you seen the new art Mr. James Jacobs?

Will this book have any new races, monsters, animal companions, familiars, etc.?

Any chance of any new deities specific to one or more races?

I mean that we're still making those decisions. But the magic elf food stuff is unlikely to make it in; that stuff always seemed out of place to me.

I have seen most of the new art.

No new races/monsters/creature stats.

Inner Sea Gods covers the deities specific to races. We may mention some of them from that book but this is not the right book, place, or time to make new deities up.

Wich one race got to have art for Aliens? Dragon Empire? Genie-kin?

Questions like this aren't ones we'll answer now. You'll have to wait and see.

Q: Will there a table-like appendix (or something of the sort) that collects all the 'most important' (or interesting!) data for each (sub)race, including information like "most prevalent/common in...", "most likely to worship...", "most common languages known (up to 3)", "most common alignment", etc. (and not just 'crunchy' information like racial stat bonuses & such) in this book?

Sort of like what done for Inner Sea Gods? And kinda like that given in Races of Faerûn... Although perhaps in an easier-to-absorb-at-a-glance format? (Again, like Inner Sea Gods.)

Such a table would, at the very least, be a useful summary on the various races, rather than having to read through a paragraph of text that might, for space reasons, not even include 'equal' information for every race, particularly the less common and obscure ones.

And even if such a table couldn't include all relevant information about the different races found in the Inner Sea, it could be a means of presenting relatively detailed information on even obscure races/subraces in a rather succinct manner.

Perhaps?...

Looking forward to this product regardless.

Carry on!

--C.

Yeah, I might've repeated the same points above... It's late where I'm at! :p

At this point we have no plans to build a giant table like that... but once the book's through layout... if there's room and time, we'll think about it. I'd say the chances of there being a big table-like appendix are VERY low though. Don't expect one, in other words.

Mordant Spire elves get mentioned, but only briefly.

Sigh.....So far...I'm getting less and less interested about this product.

That's easy. Halflings came first, humans are dire halflings.

And ogres are dire humans (standard 'dire' template, extra HD, higher physical stats, a natural armor bump, just need to add some random bone spurs, a la 3.X 'dire' animal artwork, and they are good to go!), created by some mad wizard experimenting on the difference between normal animals and dire animals.

So, this is looking more like it is a fluff book, not a crunch book?

So, this is looking more like it is a fluff book, not a crunch book?

It was always intended to be more focused on the Golarion flavor of the races. Advanced Race Guide proved a LOT of crunch for the races, and we didn't want this book to just ape that one. Furthermore, Advanced Race Guide had ZERO information about these races as they exist in Golarion.

There ARE rules elements in the book. But the focus is the flavor of the races, not the rules. And the rules that DO exist are there to specifically support how the races work in Golarion.

The book is still in devleopment, but I'd say 1/3 to 1/4 of the book is rules. That can change.

DragoDorn wrote:

So, this is looking more like it is a fluff book, not a crunch book?

It was always intended to be more focused on the Golarion flavor of the races. Advanced Race Guide proved a LOT of crunch for the races, and we didn't want this book to just ape that one. Furthermore, Advanced Race Guide had ZERO information about these races as they exist in Golarion.

There ARE rules elements in the book. But the focus is the flavor of the races, not the rules. And the rules that DO exist are there to specifically support how the races work in Golarion.

The book is still in devleopment, but I'd say 1/3 to 1/4 of the book is rules. That can change.

I'm REALLY OK with fluff elements...although I like a bit of both fluff and crunch...it just seems like many of the things that have either been left hanging (after brief mention) in other books...or races that have very little support....are still not going to be focused on all that much.

We have a glut of basic information on the core races...including Inner Sea specifics...but all these other elements that seem to get very little support.

James Jacobs wrote:

DragoDorn wrote:

So, this is looking more like it is a fluff book, not a crunch book?

It was always intended to be more focused on the Golarion flavor of the races. Advanced Race Guide proved a LOT of crunch for the races, and we didn't want this book to just ape that one. Furthermore, Advanced Race Guide had ZERO information about these races as they exist in Golarion.

There ARE rules elements in the book. But the focus is the flavor of the races, not the rules. And the rules that DO exist are there to specifically support how the races work in Golarion.

The book is still in devleopment, but I'd say 1/3 to 1/4 of the book is rules. That can change.

I'm REALLY OK with fluff elements...although I like a bit of both fluff and crunch...it just seems like many of the things that have either been left hanging (after brief mention) in other books...or races that have very little support....are still not going to be focused on all that much.

We have a glut of basic information on the core races...including Inner Sea specifics...but all these other elements that seem to get very little support.

Keep in mind that the book IS still being developed, and things can still shift as we see where we're at. Some races will get more than they've had before. Some get less. It'll probably be the best in your case or cases like yours to wait and see how the book looks once it's out. I'm just trying to manage expectations here is all.

It was always intended to be more focused on the Golarion flavor of the races. Advanced Race Guide proved a LOT of crunch for the races, and we didn't want this book to just ape that one. Furthermore, Advanced Race Guide had ZERO information about these races as they exist in Golarion.

There ARE rules elements in the book. But the focus is the flavor of the races, not the rules. And the rules that DO exist are there to specifically support how the races work in Golarion.

The book is still in devleopment, but I'd say 1/3 to 1/4 of the book is rules. That can change.

And it being a fluff book is really good and necessary!

Surprising that catfolk get a place here though. Never heard of them being in the Inner Sea region. Would have thought even Kitsune are more likely to be there, since they could be there in secret.

Also, as someone who owns most or all of the sources this draws from, that "glut of basic information" is scattered across a variety of Player's Companions and Adventure Paths, many of which are out of print. This makes it more accessible and modernizes parts of it (even though I will be sad to see the Brightness go). I also disliked how world-neutral the ARG was.

And as someone who owns every Adventure Path that fed Inner Sea Gods, I found a ton of great content there. So, I still have decent expectations for ISR. :)

Well Catfolk can be found in both Tian Xia and Garund and the northern part of Garund is part of the Inner Sea region, so I can see them getting some love.

Luthorne wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

I hope there will be some new info like were did Halflings come from, who/what created them, why are they found with humans most of the time.

Indeed, but Paizo seems to be being rather coy about that little nugget.

That's easy. Halflings came first, humans are dire halflings.

Close. There was an ancient humanoid race called the "Ling" that were size Tiny. Using permanent enlarge and reduce, some relationships between human and ling worked out, and the result, much like the half-elf and half-orc, was the half-ling.

Had me going there for half a second.

Ross Byers wrote:

Luthorne wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

I hope there will be some new info like were did Halflings come from, who/what created them, why are they found with humans most of the time.

Indeed, but Paizo seems to be being rather coy about that little nugget.

That's easy. Halflings came first, humans are dire halflings.

Close. There was an ancient humanoid race called the "Ling" that were size Tiny. Using permanent enlarge and reduce, some relationships between human and ling worked out, and the result, much like the half-elf and half-orc, was the half-ling.

Hey, now, that's appropriate for the FIRST day of April, not the LAST. :)

I can't wait to find what catfolk are actually called by there own race and on Golarion in general. I hope ratfolk will get a "real" name as well.

nighttree wrote:

James Jacobs wrote:

DragoDorn wrote:

So, this is looking more like it is a fluff book, not a crunch book?

It was always intended to be more focused on the Golarion flavor of the races. Advanced Race Guide proved a LOT of crunch for the races, and we didn't want this book to just ape that one. Furthermore, Advanced Race Guide had ZERO information about these races as they exist in Golarion.

There ARE rules elements in the book. But the focus is the flavor of the races, not the rules. And the rules that DO exist are there to specifically support how the races work in Golarion.

The book is still in devleopment, but I'd say 1/3 to 1/4 of the book is rules. That can change.

I'm REALLY OK with fluff elements...although I like a bit of both fluff and crunch...it just seems like many of the things that have either been left hanging (after brief mention) in other books...or races that have very little support....are still not going to be focused on all that much.

We have a glut of basic information on the core races...including Inner Sea specifics...but all these other elements that seem to get very little support.

Keep in mind that the book IS still being developed, and things can still shift as we see where we're at. Some races will get more than they've had before. Some get less. It'll probably be the best in your case or cases like yours to wait and see how the book looks once it's out. I'm just trying to manage expectations here is all.

Usually, by the time we are having discussions....that's not the case, and I'm glad to hear that there is still time for you to consider other options to include. Also...I have come to realize I tend to gravitate towards the "mystery" mentions....so I'm usually looking for the things that most people are possibly not interested in.

DragoDorn wrote:

So, this is looking more like it is a fluff book, not a crunch book?

It was always intended to be more focused on the Golarion flavor of the races. Advanced Race Guide proved a LOT of crunch for the races, and we didn't want this book to just ape that one. Furthermore, Advanced Race Guide had ZERO information about these races as they exist in Golarion.

There ARE rules elements in the book. But the focus is the flavor of the races, not the rules. And the rules that DO exist are there to specifically support how the races work in Golarion.

The book is still in devleopment, but I'd say 1/3 to 1/4 of the book is rules. That can change.

I, for one, hope it changes more towards 1/6 or 1/8. Rules are not what I buy the Campaugn Setting books for.

Actually, by page count, about 1/5 of the book is rules. So right between the two. :-)

The book is still in devleopment, but I'd say 1/3 to 1/4 of the book is rules. That can change.

Put my vote in for adding context to the crunch. E.g. the ARG has info on lava gnomes, but I don't know anything about lava gnomes (NOTE: I'm not saying there needs to be lava gnomes in Golarion. Just an example ;)). Crunch is nice, having canon sources to help integrate that crunch into the setting is better :)

Close. There was an ancient humanoid race called the "Ling" that were size Tiny. Using permanent enlarge and reduce, some relationships between human and ling worked out, and the result, much like the half-elf and half-orc, was the half-ling.

I had a player reincarnate as a gnome once. After a suicide and reincarnate put him as a gnome again, he just gave up and went for a permenancy'd enlarge. He looked suitably grotesque. I can't imagine enlarged lings would look anything close to attractive. What sort of sick mind would do such a thing? Damn wizards!

I can't wait to find what catfolk are actually called by there own race and on Golarion in general.

Thundereans?

:)

I like crunch but this is a campaign setting book and I am more interested in the campaign specific stuff.

I do hope there are a lot racial feats, new and old, the racial heritages, and maybe some alternate racial traits. But other then those I am fine with the book being mostly campaign information.

Close. There was an ancient humanoid race called the "Ling" that were size Tiny. Using permanent enlarge and reduce, some relationships between human and ling worked out, and the result, much like the half-elf and half-orc, was the half-ling.

I thought they were 1/4 storm giant, 1/4 pixie, and 1/2 some combination of human, elf and orc?

And then there's the sticky and inappropes question of the quarterlings and three-quarterslings.

I hope some elephantfolk will finaly make it out of the Mwangi plains and make their appearance in the inner sea region.
Guess they have been in Alkenstar before, since that´s closer.

Always wanted to make a elephantfolk gunslinger, so i can reload the twf-guns with my trunk. And if there´s a misfire, you just trumpet it away.

Dept of Expectation Mgmt has done an excellent job letting us know what this book will NOT be. You clearly have a solid vision for this book, and I can live with that.

But I hope that, going forward beyond ISR, some notes will be taken about the sort of things many people are hoping for in a race product. I would hate for you guys to think that, "welp, we've done the 'of Golarion' books, we've done the 'Blood of' books, we've done the crunch hardcover and the fluff hardcover -- looks like we're done!"

I for one want more than these books offer, and I just want to let you know that there's demand from at least one person.

Any chance that the book will mention new races that do not have stats yet?

I hope some elephantfolk will finaly make it out of the Mwangi plains and make their appearance in the inner sea region.

Guess they have been in Alkenstar before, since that´s closer.

Always wanted to make a elephantfolk gunslinger, so i can reload the twf-guns with my trunk. And if there´s a misfire, you just trumpet it away.

Wait, what? Is this really a thing? I want this to be a thing.

I don't remember ever seeing anything about elephantfolk but if they do have them I doubt they would be a 0HD race. I can see them as a large size humanoid race with racial HD.

Dept of Expectation Mgmt has done an excellent job letting us know what this book will NOT be. You clearly have a solid vision for this book, and I can live with that.

But I hope that, going forward beyond ISR, some notes will be taken about the sort of things many people are hoping for in a race product. I would hate for you guys to think that, "welp, we've done the 'of Golarion' books, we've done the 'Blood of' books, we've done the crunch hardcover and the fluff hardcover -- looks like we're done!"

I for one want more than these books offer, and I just want to let you know that there's demand from at least one person.

We don't intend to stop publishing Golarion content anytime soon, so there's pretty much no chance of this. We're still publishing deity articles in Pathfinder APs, after all, even though Inner Sea Gods is out. We'll continue publishing more info about races as well as we feel the need.

We have 4+ months until release, I can't wait.

I hope some elephantfolk will finaly make it out of the Mwangi plains and make their appearance in the inner sea region.

Guess they have been in Alkenstar before, since that´s closer.

Always wanted to make a elephantfolk gunslinger, so i can reload the twf-guns with my trunk. And if there´s a misfire, you just trumpet it away.

Wait, they seriously have elephant-people in Golarion? Wow, don't know how I missed this.

Turns out, you missed it because we actually don't have elephant people on Golarion.

AKA: Good news! You're not crazy.

I didn't think we did but I would love a large size human shaped elephant type monster one day, especially if it is from Vudra.

I thought it was a reference to that one obscure race from Murder's Mark or Carnival of Tears or whichever module it was...

Are Giff D&D product identity?

Yep.

I thought it was a reference to that one obscure race from Murder's Mark or Carnival of Tears or whichever module it was...

Panotti are pretty neat!

Will the aasimar and tiefling ages be corrected?

And what about the too short height of the supposedly tall and thin changelings?

I'd put a note that said due to Planetouched's nature as mutants instead of a true race, their lifespans vary wildly. It would avoid invalidating any characters built with the old chart and fix the AP plotholes pretty nicely.