FYI, a case is ~$234 with the PF advantage with ~$6 in shipping with the first $10 taken off for being over $100. So, you save about $35 and you'll likely get the black dragon.
Illl admit I am on the slow side but I keep hearing subscription mentioned for the new line and it's grabbed my attention. Is this just something that hasn't been announced yet firmly?Gary has to write some new code before we can release the details and start letting people subscribe.
Am I correct that somewhere or other (somehow I'm not willing to look back through this thread) there was a statement made that preorders would automatically 'rollover' into a subscription? Or that they wouldnt but signing up for a subscription would 'cancel out' a preorder or something?
Am I correct that somewhere or other (somehow I'm not willing to look back through this thread) there was a statement made that preorders would automatically 'rollover' into a subscription? Or that they wouldnt but signing up for a subscription would 'cancel out' a preorder or something?Illl admit I am on the slow side but I keep hearing subscription mentioned for the new line and it's grabbed my attention. Is this just something that hasn't been announced yet firmly?Gary has to write some new code before we can release the details and start letting people subscribe.
I believe so. That's the way it worked for preorders of the Core Rulebook before the rollout of the RPG subscriptions: if you had a preorder and then subscribed, it automatically switched it to a subscription, as I recall.
Am I correct that somewhere or other (somehow I'm not willing to look back through this thread) there was a statement made that preorders would automatically 'rollover' into a subscription? Or that they wouldnt but signing up for a subscription would 'cancel out' a preorder or something?I believe so. That's the way it worked for preorders of the Core Rulebook before the rollout of the RPG subscriptions: if you had a preorder and then subscribed, it automatically switched it to a subscription, as I recall.
Thanks, Joana.
Thanks, Joana.Am I correct that somewhere or other (somehow I'm not willing to look back through this thread) there was a statement made that preorders would automatically 'rollover' into a subscription? Or that they wouldnt but signing up for a subscription would 'cancel out' a preorder or something?I believe so. That's the way it worked for preorders of the Core Rulebook before the rollout of the RPG subscriptions: if you had a preorder and then subscribed, it automatically switched it to a subscription, as I recall.
Eh, I'm not official. But I'm fairly certain I read that somewhere in this thread, too. I'm sure they'll clarify when they announce the subscription.
Thanks, Joana.Eh, I'm not official.
Yeah, I won't hold anyone to it. Thanks for answering though. :)
But I'm fairly certain I read that somewhere in this thread, too. I'm sure they'll clarify when they announce the subscription.
I realised as I was posting that I'm probably going to know soon anyhow... I suspect it's because I'm very keen for these and just wanted to say something, even though I didnt really have anything to say.
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If I were to call customer service, could I pre-order something and arrange to be charged immediately? Call me crazy, but I pay pretty close attention to my finances, and a future charge at unspecified time just makes me nervous. With my luck, I'll have my car break down that week...
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You can purchase a gift certificate in any amount. We charge immediately for the gift certificate because the store credit is available right away for you to use or give to someone else. You can, as was suggested up thread, purchase them in small amounts to build up enough store credit for the preorder or purchase one for the whole amount.
If you preorder the case now, and want to build up store credit over the next few months you'll need to let us know when you want to apply the store credit to the order because currently we don't have a way to apply store credit to an existing order.*
*If you have a subscription, and are saving up store credit, make sure to go to your My Subscriptions page and ensure the box for "Use any available store credit for my subscription orders" is not selected.**
**If you have the preorder in your sidecart and are saving up store credit to use on it, here is where things get really tricky ;) You will need to make sure the checkbox for "Use any available store credit for my subscription orders" is not selected, right up until just before the shipment that the preorder will ship in (if you have gotten the "in the next week or so.." email you'll have to reply to it right away and let us know to add the store credit.
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I just noticed under the terms and conditions it still saying not for subscriptions. I am assuming it's just something that missed an update?
Is it just me, or does the vampire mini look a LOT like Luvick Siervage(sp?) (going from memory here) y'know the master vampire from the cover of Carrion Crown part 5 (aka Pathfinder Adventure Path #47).
If so... AWESOME!
If not... great coincidence. :)
I'll happily put $1,000 on the miniature being Mr Siervage.
Although I seriously doubt that I've some how missed the announcement I'll ask anyway. Has a prices been set for the Black Dragon yet?
Also, when are we going to get to see some more pictures of the rest of the set? Or a list of what is going to be in the set?
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Although I seriously doubt that I've some how missed the announcement I'll ask anyway. Has a prices been set for the Black Dragon yet?
Also, when are we going to get to see some more pictures of the rest of the set? Or a list of what is going to be in the set?
We haqve not been given a Black Dragon price. It shouldn't be long, but involves getting new code for subscriptions ready, so probably Monday now.
Wizkids tends to keep their cards reasonably close to their chests, so don't expect a list until late October/November at the earliest...
Wizkids tends to keep their cards reasonably close to their chests, so don't expect a list until late October/November at the earliest...
Seems like an odd business practice to me to sell pre-orders with a cutoff date of October 1st to get the Black Dragon deal without showing most, if not all, of the miniatures before that date.
I'm sure they'll all be great but call me bit of a picky consumer but if I'm going to spend in the neighborhood of $300 on a case plus Dragon I'd like to see what I'm getting before I commit my hard earned cash.
Wizkids tends to keep their cards reasonably close to their chests, so don't expect a list until late October/November at the earliest...Seems like an odd business practice to me to sell pre-orders with a cutoff date of October 1st to get the Black Dragon deal without showing most, if not all, of the miniatures before that date.
I'm sure they'll all be great but call me bit of a picky consumer but if I'm going to spend in the neighborhood of $300 on a case plus Dragon I'd like to see what I'm getting before I commit my hard earned cash.
Presumably that's part of what they're incentivizing. There are probably many who wouldn't preorder blind - the dragon is the carrot to persuade them to take the leap.
I guess they keep the details of the release secret so there's something to announce as it gets closer to keep interest/excitement high.
Is it just me, or does the vampire mini look a LOT like Luvick Siervage(sp?) (going from memory here) y'know the master vampire from the cover of Carrion Crown part 5 (aka Pathfinder Adventure Path #47).
If so... AWESOME!
If not... great coincidence. :)
I'll happily put $1,000 on the miniature being Mr Siervage.
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Yeah, that's what I thought too. Thanks. :)
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I was going to purchase the beginner box, but now I see it as the first step into a money pit (with the randomized product bundling), so I will not even start down that path. I hope this shift in marketing philosophy doesn't change the character of other Pathfinder lines.
1. WizKids are making these not Paizo, so no Paizo "Philosophy" was harmed with the selling of these.
2. WizKids plans to release additional Pathfinder Battles Encounter Packs, which will feature visible non-random assortments of selected repainted or resculpted figures from the full sets. Product details for these later sets will be released shortly. - Directly from the Press release.
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I was going to purchase the beginner box, but now I see it as the first step into a money pit (with the randomized product bundling), so I will not even start down that path. I hope this shift in marketing philosophy doesn't change the character of other Pathfinder lines.
Paizo and other retailers will be bursting boosters and selling the miniatures individually. Also as pointed out, there is a plan to sell miniatures in non-random Adventure Packs. The initial random format is a way to make the venture viable, to make an array of figurines with many of high quality economically feasible. Personally, I am extremely pleased that Paizo/Wizkids are making this venture. We will be getting new miniatures! No one is forcing you to buy them.
Later,
Mazra
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Just a couple of points-
In regards to Dragonmoon it bears noting that paizo is still in control for the IP and I'm sure thy are very involved in h miniatures, hence they do get to share in the accolades and potential blame.
Also, the poster who said they werent going to buy the iconic visible figures...care to elaborate on why? It seems you're against randomized...buy why not buy visible packs? Assuming ya like what you see thus far?
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Please tell me the minis will coincide with the monsters that appear in the adventure paths, i.e. if Paizo is thinking straight, this first set would include monsters/adversaries from Jade Regent or the AP that follows that.
Maybe I'm alone here, but I have a ton of D&D minis already, don't need more skeletons, and would really prefer to just buy the minis that fill in the gaps as I play through the AP's (e.g. I'm working through Kingmaker right now--I know, I'm a bit behind--and it'd be great to have minis like a cyclops lich, etc to throw at my PCs).
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Please tell me the minis will coincide with the monsters that appear in the adventure paths, i.e. if Paizo is thinking straight, this first set would include monsters/adversaries from Jade Regent or the AP that follows that.
Like Pathfinder Beginners Box Heroes, the Monsters and Heroes set will have some miniatures in support of the upcoming Basic Game based on info provided by Paizo staff in this and other threads. This set will have more traditional monsters. But their design is Pathfinder. Their unique Goblins, Ogres, Trolls etc., not to mention the quality, will make this set different from the DDMs. The next set will be in support of the fifth anniversary of Rise of the Runelords; and will likely see monsters unique to that AP.
Later,
Mazra
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I know this idea may get shot down, but..... what about commoner minis like farmers, blacksmiths, shopkeepers, tavern/innkeeper, waitress, laborers, scholars, sages, aristocrats, town guards, etc. I think those would be insanely useful.
Agree! They would be popular for no other reason than there are very few options for commoners, townsfolk, etc., in PPM. I strongly believe they would enhance any set. In Rise of the Runelord set there could be many options for townsfolk.
Later,
Mazra
I know this idea may get shot down, but..... what about commoner minis like farmers, blacksmiths, shopkeepers, tavern/innkeeper, waitress, laborers, scholars, sages, aristocrats, town guards, etc. I think those would be insanely useful.Agree! They would be popular for no other reason than there are very few options for commoners, townsfolk, etc., in PPM. I strongly believe they would enhance any set. In Rise of the Runelord set there could be many options for townsfolk.
Later,
Mazra
Personally, I think these would be a real risk for the producer. Whilst I would like them (and I suspect so would many of those with a collection of a few hundred plus minis) I'm not sure they'd have a lot of value to the DM who was just starting out. After all, it's relatively easy to substitute PC figures for townsfolk.
I think if a random set had a significant number of 'non-combatants' it may well harm its sales amongst the newcomers to mini-collecting.
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After all, it's relatively easy to substitute PC figures for townsfolk.
I think if a random set had a significant number of 'non-combatants' it may well harm its sales amongst the newcomers to mini-collecting.
I have been a DM for a long time, and it is not easy to substitute weapon wielding PC figurines for a non-combatant. And who said it had to be in significant numbers? In the latter sets of the DDM line, we began to see prop type figurines, chests, sarcophagus, toad stools, ballista, fallen townfolks, etc. It was usually no more than one or two, but they all had great utility and were very popular. Trust me, I have been following this stuff for a while now, two or three townsfolk would enhance any set, and help any DM whether they are new or been doing it for a while.
The Heroes and Monsters set is a good beginners set. It will have the core monsters a new DM would need. But when we get into the larger AP sets, some townsfolks, like an Ameiko with a lute in hand, or a Brodert Quink, or a Niska Mvashti would be most welcome. An Ameiko with lute would have the utility then of both a townsfolk or a bard. A Niska could have the utility of an old woman, or an old witch, or a hag. The greater the utility the more popular the figurine. And when there are enough such figurines, then you will have a successful set.
Later,
Mazra
I have been a DM for a long time, and it is not easy to substitute weapon wielding PC figurines for a non-combatant.After all, it's relatively easy to substitute PC figures for townsfolk.
I think if a random set had a significant number of 'non-combatants' it may well harm its sales amongst the newcomers to mini-collecting.
I meant relatively easy - in that it's easier than substituting them for a dire wolf (or similar).
And who said it had to be in significant numbers?
Well it only has to be significant if it's going to matter (by definition). I dont think there'd be any objection to an insignificant number - just as there wouldnt be much utility.
In the latter sets of the DDM line, we began to see prop type figurines, chests, sarcophagus, toad stools, ballista, fallen townfolks, etc. It was usually no more than one or two, but they all had great utility and were very popular. Trust me, I have been following this stuff for a while now, two or three townsfolk would enhance any set, and help any DM whether they are new or been doing it for a while.
Well I certainly claim no real knowledge (mere messageboard speculation and anecdote) and I'd be very happy to see some non-combatants - so I'm quite glad if you're correct. In passing though, I think there's a difference between experience with DMing and experience with mini-collecting. I dont think there's any distinction to be made based on how much DMing experience you have - I think the non-combatants are likely to be far more popular with those who own over a thousand minis than with those who own less than ten.
The Heroes and Monsters set is a good beginners set. It will have the core monsters a new DM would need. But when we get into the larger AP sets, some townsfolks, like an Ameiko with a lute in hand, or a Brodert Quink, or a Niska Mvashti would be most welcome. An Ameiko with lute would have the utility then of both a townsfolk or a bard. A Niska could have the utility of an old woman, or an old witch, or a hag. The greater the utility the more popular the figurine. And when there are enough such figurines, then you will have a successful set.
Later,
Mazra
I hope so. I'm only extrapolating from my own experience, of course - I havent been following this stuff for very long, nor very attentively. When I bought my first set of minis, I would have been disappointed to get an innkeeper (as opposed to an orc raider or similar). Those times when I needed minis for people who werent likely to be in combat were few and far between.
As I said though, I'm very happy if I'm wrong.
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When I bought my first set of minis, I would have been disappointed to get an innkeeper (as opposed to an orc raider or similar). Those times when I needed minis for people who werent likely to be in combat were few and far between.
Steve, you make good points. You are right, a new DM probably would not be as pleased with an innkeeper if they opened a booster. Hopefully in their next booster they opened it would be an Orc. :)
I just know from reading many post over many message boards that the long time DMs would like to see some non-combatants in the sets. Two or three in a sixty figure set could go along way to excite even the DMs with thousands of miniatures. Plus DMs with thousands of miniatures clearly have the resources to buy figurines. IMHO it would help sell sets. I know that Paizo reads these boards. If a choice non-combatant or two should show up in a set, it would create a buzz among the long timers. And Paizo knows this, they are long timers too. They have been opening boosters for a long time. Plus they are DMs. They truly understand the hobby.
Such non-combatants would need to be rares. You don't need a hoard of innkeepers. As a rare, they could name the figurine after a prominent townsfolk from Sandpoint or any other Golarion location. Even a new DM may need to set up a bar fight, or town encounter. Being able to throw out a few figurines as bystanders is always useful. And it is useful for new DMs too.
Finally, if Paizo creates a miniature game, it needs to be done in such a way that PC type figurines would not be needed in bulk. Who needs a dozen Dwarf Battleragers? I believe this became a problem for the DDM line. A miniature game may help sells, and so I would be all for it. But it needs to be done right or not at all.
Later,
Mazra
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Count me as another person who is in support of peasant/townsfolk type minis. Although I do agree with Mazra, if it is something they do, it should be a rare mini as you don't need 8 of 'Max, the inkeeper'.
I think we have a better chance of seeing commoners with the Pathfinder line as we did with DDM, as DDM was also a miniatures based battle game. And you could not very well come out with a commoner mini (or if you did, very few of them) due to who wants the aforementioned 'Max, the innkeeper' in his DDM army? Where with Pathfinder, the minis are being released for RP puroses only (at least at this time).
So I think we could very possibly eventually see minis for bartenders, serving women, farmers and just commoners in general. Maybe we'll even see animals, as well. Horses would be extremely useful for us as we've gotten into many combats with horses being involved. And once or twice with a cow or pig in the area, as well. :)
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Count me as another person who is in support of peasant/townsfolk type minis. Although I do agree with Mazra, if it is something they do, it should be a rare mini as you don't need 8 of 'Max, the inkeeper'.
I think we have a better chance of seeing commoners with the Pathfinder line as we did with DDM, as DDM was also a miniatures based battle game. And you could not very well come out with a commoner mini (or if you did, very few of them) due to who wants the aforementioned 'Max, the innkeeper' in his DDM army? Where with Pathfinder, the minis are being released for RP puroses only (at least at this time).
So I think we could very possibly eventually see minis for bartenders, serving women, farmers and just commoners in general. Maybe we'll even see animals, as well. Horses would be extremely useful for us as we've gotten into many combats with horses being involved. And once or twice with a cow or pig in the area, as well. :)
for those commoners who work outside, one of the model train companies has a set of people that almost scales w/ D&D minis (they are either 28mm or 20mm i think) for farmers and the like. I think it even includes a chicken or pig or something.
one additional note on this: 2nd bestselling mini in desert of desolation for my store? #11 the farmer
for those commoners who work outside, one of the model train companies has a set of people that almost scales w/ D&D minis (they are either 28mm or 20mm i think) for farmers and the like. I think it even includes a chicken or pig or something.
one additional note on this: 2nd bestselling mini in desert of desolation for my store? #11 the farmer
Yes, but then you probably have to put a base on it. It can be done, but would just be easier to have them in the Pathfinder set.
Not really so concerned about pigs or cows, that was said as more tongue in cheek. But I don’t know how many times we’ve had an RP portion of our session where we’ve talked to the mayor, or gathering information among the townsfolk, including farmers, nevermind the proverbial bar scene.
Count me as someone who really doesn't want to see any non-combatants, and especially doesn't want any set-dressing minis (treasure chests, vegetation, etc).
I fully realize that there's multiple ways to play, and that's great, but for me, unless it actually needs to be on a battle grid, I don't need to know that the bartender is 30ft away and the mayor is 40ft away in a non-combat scenario.
I'd rather that space in the set be taken up by cool PC/NPC figures or by awesome monsters/critters.
Count me as someone who really doesn't want to see any non-combatants, and especially doesn't want any set-dressing minis (treasure chests, vegetation, etc).
I fully realize that there's multiple ways to play, and that's great, but for me, unless it actually needs to be on a battle grid, I don't need to know that the bartender is 30ft away and the mayor is 40ft away in a non-combat scenario.
I'd rather that space in the set be taken up by cool PC/NPC figures or by awesome monsters/critters.
Yes, I understand what you are saying. And the same with our group most times, we usually do not need non-combatant/commoner minis when doing an RPing scenario in town. However, there have also been times where that non-combat situation with commoners have turned into a situation with combat.
Not saying we are going around killing commoners, but there could be a fight out in the streets if monsters attack the town, or we’ve had to save farmers before when wolves have attacked their farmstead. In a recent actual Pathfinder Society scenario, we were attacked from the commoners in the bar. So there can be battle situations that involve commoners, and it is nice to have the right mini(s) for the job.
As for saving that slot in the set for a cool NPC or monster, don’t worry, there will be plenty of those still. For a 40-60 set, there is no reason there can’t be both. But as Mazra said, if they do put in commoners, it should be in a rare slot, where you aren’t going to get many of them, because you just don’t need that many. And even then, maybe 1 or 2 in the set.
Given the talk about distribution, if you were to put such a mini in a rare slot, you'll get 1 in a case - incredibly bad odds to expect more than one in that case.
Honestly, it seems that if having those commoners and what not were your thing, you wouldn't be served well by having them in such limited distribution.
Sorry I'm new to this dicussion just curious is there a spoiler list for these yet and if so does it include pics of them all.
Given the talk about distribution, if you were to put such a mini in a rare slot, you'll get 1 in a case - incredibly bad odds to expect more than one in that case.
Honestly, it seems that if having those commoners and what not were your thing, you wouldn't be served well by having them in such limited distribution.
Maybe you are right, it could end up being only one per case, but it is possible there could be more than one, as well. And for those who buy more than one case (like myself), would get more.
Another thing to keep in mind, there are going to be rare minis, so there will be minis that you probably will only see one of in case. Saying that someone would be better served by not having that ‘x’ rare mini because you will get only one, would apply to any rare that will be in the set, including those cool NPC/monsters.
Besides, at least for me, getting one is better than none.
Sorry I'm new to this dicussion just curious is there a spoiler list for these yet and if so does it include pics of them all.
A list has not been made public of all the miniatures for this release as of yet. The only mock-up pics they have released are above...well, they removed the wingless chimera mock-up, so that should be in the set too.
There's also going to be a black dragon mini, but the ability to order that is mostly going to be reserved for those who purchase a case (as incentive), from what I've seen. Full details on how to get the dragon have not been released as of yet.
Another thing to keep in mind, there are going to be rare minis, so there will be minis that you probably will only see one of in case.
Hence my statement to not expect more than one of in a case.
Saying that someone would be better served by not having that ‘x’ rare mini because you will get only one, would apply to any rare that will be in the set, including those cool NPC/monsters.
Not really. Not even close.
For those that want a commoner or similar non-combatants, they'll very likely want more than one of them, hence, distributing such a mini as a rare isn't effective.
For things like Karzoug the Runelord, distributing as a rare, with the potential to only get one per case makes total sense.
"Rare" rarity is best used for either minis that a buyer will only need/use one of, or to facilitate the "chase rare" system.
Besides, at least for me, getting one is better than none.
And that's totally cool - for me, however, getting a useless commoner as one of my few rares would be incredibly lame and frustrating. Even worse would be a tree or a unicorn or something like that.
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Not really. Not even close.
For those that want a commoner or similar non-combatants, they'll very likely want more than one of them, hence, distributing such a mini as a rare isn't effective.
For things like Karzoug the Runelord, distributing as a rare, with the potential to only get one per case makes total sense.
"Rare" rarity is best used for either minis that a buyer will only need/use one of, or to facilitate the "chase rare" system.
Yes, I see your point, but my example of the rare commoner was along the lines of the ‘bartender’ commoner, as I referenced in one of my above posts. However, I should have been clearer in my more recent posts. With the bartender mini, you wouldn’t need more than one of them.
Now with the ‘townsfolk’ mini, they could put one or two in a future set as an uncommon where you would get at least several of each.
And that's totally cool - for me, however, getting a useless commoner as one of my few rares would be incredibly lame and frustrating. Even worse would be a tree or a unicorn or something like that.
Hey, I totally understand. There were minis in DDM that our DM has never used in our campaigns, and unfortunately some of them were commons. At least with the rare commoner, it would be only one mini you wouldn’t want/use.
To be honest, I would be happy if WizKids/Paizo came out with one of the visible packs for townsfolk. Then you, or others who don’t want commoners, wouldn’t have to worry about opening it in their booster packs. And you can just choose not to buy the ‘townsfolk encounter pack’.
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The next set will be in support of the fifth anniversary of Rise of the Runelords; and will likely see monsters unique to that AP.
Later, Mazra
Well, that's a huge bummer. To begin, Rise of the Runelords is D&D 3.5, not Pathfinder. Why waste time creating minis for an old AP (and one based on 3.5 rules, not the updated Pathfinder rules)? Why not focus on the APs that are coming out now?
And I'd much prefer to pay by the mini. Yes, some cost more to produce than others. Well, then have the pay scale reflect that. I'd much prefer to pay for the ones I need than buy a brick or booster pack that contains a bunch of minis that have nothing to do with the adventure I'm running.
I'm guessing that if Paizo ends up producing minis I want that I'll be buying them second hand--i.e. the money will not go to Paizo. Paizo's loss.
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The next set will be in support of the fifth anniversary of Rise of the Runelords; and will likely see monsters unique to that AP.
Later, Mazra
Well, that's a huge bummer. To begin, Rise of the Runelords is D&D 3.5, not Pathfinder. Why waste time creating minis for an old AP (and one based on 3.5 rules, not the updated Pathfinder rules)? Why not focus on the APs that are coming out now?
And I'd much prefer to pay by the mini. Yes, some cost more to produce than others. Well, then have the pay scale reflect that. I'd much prefer to pay for the ones I need than buy a brick or booster pack that contains a bunch of minis that have nothing to do with the adventure I'm running.
I'm guessing that if Paizo ends up producing minis I want that I'll be buying them second hand--i.e. the money will not go to Paizo. Paizo's loss.
Rise of the Runelords will be getting a re-release as a collector's edition all in one volume, updated to PFRPG rules. This is to celebrate Pathfinder's 5th anniversary and the minis are supporting that release.
Also, Shatterstar, the AP releasing next GenCon will be a sequal to RotRL and I imagine the minis will also be very useful to support that AP as well.
Sort of a 2 birds with one stone release.
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And that's totally cool - for me, however, getting a useless commoner as one of my few rares would be incredibly lame and frustrating. Even worse would be a tree or a unicorn or something like that.
That is why it can't be lame. As a rare, it would need to be a good looking fig. Ameiko in tavern singing mode, lute in hand, could be a very nice figurine that could equally be used as a townsfolk or as a bard. It would be nice to see some figurines without a weapon in their hand. I can't tell you how often I use the Tavern Brawler figurine from the DDM line, both the original and the repaint. Again, I am not saying using up a ton of slots for these, but one or two would be nice. Now if Paizo/Wizkids wants to make a Sandpoint Adventure Pack with the notable townsfolk, I would be all over it. But I believe it would hurt the sells of the random sets. Though you may not like getting a townsfolk rare figure, there are many that would. Since there are not many of these kinds of figurines out there, to say the least, they would immediately be popular to many of us that have been buying miniatures for a while.
Cpt_Kirstov point about the Desert of Desolation farmer being popular should not be ignored. Anything Paizo/Wizkids can do to make this venture successful I am all for it. With a forty and more so with a sixty figure set, I am sure there will be a mini or two I want care for or use often, but if it popular with others I surely will not begrudge them being in the set, as long as it helps them sell more miniatures. Success of the line is the key for longevity now and the future.
Later,
Mazra
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On the whole non-combatant thing, I'd really rather that WizKids focus on actual monsters that the players are likely to fight. I'd much rather have a creature from one of the bestiaries, and I can do without having a shopkeeper or bartender or dockside hooker figure.
If there really is such a big market for these type of figures, then that sounds like an encounter pack. Get a half dozen or so in a single package. If the market wouldn't support these as an encounter pack, then it would probably indicate that getting a town crier or goatherd fig in a random package would be a real letdown to many (myself included).
The fact that there aren't many of these figures available would seem to indicate that many miniature companies have reached the conclusion that they aren't particularly viable. Legendary Encounters, for example, doesn't produce any commoner figs, but they do make a bugbear, ghost, minotaur, werewolf, giant spider, and purple worm. Things that belong on a battle mat.
One vote against.
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The next set will be in support of the fifth anniversary of Rise of the Runelords; and will likely see monsters unique to that AP.
Later, Mazra
Well, that's a huge bummer. To begin, Rise of the Runelords is D&D 3.5, not Pathfinder. Why waste time creating minis for an old AP (and one based on 3.5 rules, not the updated Pathfinder rules)? Why not focus on the APs that are coming out now?
And I'd much prefer to pay by the mini. Yes, some cost more to produce than others. Well, then have the pay scale reflect that. I'd much prefer to pay for the ones I need than buy a brick or booster pack that contains a bunch of minis that have nothing to do with the adventure I'm running.
I'm guessing that if Paizo ends up producing minis I want that I'll be buying them second hand--i.e. the money will not go to Paizo. Paizo's loss.
Paizo has announced that they will be releasing an anniversary edition of Rise of the Runelords. I would guess it would be enhanced to bring it up to Pathfinder standards. It sounded to me that the anniversary edition and the release of the second full set will or nearly coincide.
Every miniature bought whether from a blind booster or from the secondary market will count in the overall sells of the Paizo/Wizkid's Pathfinder line. You see no matter how you buy the miniature a case had to be opened.
(I see now that Perram beat me to the punch on this one. Good job on the additional clarification. And thanks for the note about Shatterstar. Very Interesting!)
Later,
Mazra
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Legendary Encounters, for example, doesn't produce any commoner figs, but they do make a bugbear, ghost, minotaur, werewolf, giant spider, and purple worm. Things that belong on a battle mat.
One vote against.
I see your point. I have a few Legendary Encounter figures. They are the ones with a unique look or something really needed like the ghost. But you see I have plenty of bugbears, minotaurs, werewolves and giant spiders. If this is what you need, then buy the Legendary Encounters or the countless bugbears, minotaurs, etc. that you can pick up in the secondary market, many for relatively cheap. But I have very few townsfolk, or at least figures that would double as such. And I know I am not alone. I fully understand this would not be for everyone. But I do sincerely believe it would be very popular for many; especially the many that may already have a large number of miniatures. And are use to sinking limited disposable income into miniatures.
Just throw us old timers out there a bone. One or two slots! ;)
Later,
Mazra
Commoner/townsfolk mini being rare means on the secondary market the figure is going to cost more than $10, and probably closer to $20 or more.
Who wants a commoner mini for $15?
*silence broken only by crickets in the distance*
Yeah, that's what I thought. Doing something like that is asking the line to fail and fail badly.
The much better choice is to ask Paizo and WizKids to produce minis that can sub for townsfolk. Not every mage needs a quarterstaff. Not every monk or rogue has to be dressed as such. Maybe, and I realize this blasphemy, but not every character has to have a billion little do-hickies hanging from them and some could be made plainer.
Bartender? How about a monk figure dressed in normal garb with his arms crossed in front of him?
Also, make sure that a lot of female characters are designed (same number as male), other wise you will have towns named Sausagefestburg. And please, not every female figure has to be dressed as if she was going to a ball or is a noble or such.
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As Hobbun pointed out a visible pack of "Townsfolk" could ba a viable option to fill that niche if so many are against them being included in the "Traditional" packs. Sub-dividing these pack by "location" would be an even better idea. Let's see we could have a "sea side" pack to have dock workers crewmen and all that goes with them... a "tavern/inn" pack to reporduce workers there... well you get the idea. In my opinion, that would not be a bad idea.
Commoner/townsfolk mini being rare means on the secondary market the figure is going to cost more than $10, and probably closer to $20 or more.
Who wants a commoner mini for $15?
*silence broken only by crickets in the distance*
Yeah, that's what I thought. Doing something like that is asking the line to fail and fail badly.The much better choice is to ask Paizo and WizKids to produce minis that can sub for townsfolk. Not every mage needs a quarterstaff. Not every monk or rogue has to be dressed as such. Maybe, and I realize this blasphemy, but not every character has to have a billion little do-hickies hanging from them and some could be made plainer.
Bartender? How about a monk figure dressed in normal garb with his arms crossed in front of him?
Also, make sure that a lot of female characters are designed (same number as male), other wise you will have towns named Sausagefestburg. And please, not every female figure has to be dressed as if she was going to a ball or is a noble or such.
The discussion for attaining a rare commoner was more along the lines of actually opening it via a case, brick or booster.
But if you really want a rare commoner that badly, then you can pay that ‘potential’ extra charge. The problem is with any rare you are going to have that possible issue of a higher priced mini. Whether it be a Pit Fiend, Large Red Dragon, Stone Giant, etc. And just to clarify, these creatures were picked for the sake of example, as I don’t what future minis we will have, or the rarity of them, but just chose minis that I think would be popular and rare.
But my point is, you are going to have that potential escalating price for any rare mini you buy singularly in Heroes and Monsters, or any future sets, for that matter. What difference does it make if it’s a commoner or [insert popular rare mini]?
The discussion for attaining a rare commoner was more along the lines of actually opening it via a case, brick or booster.
But if you really want a rare commoner that badly, then you can pay that ‘potential’ extra charge. The problem is with any rare you are going to have that possible issue of a higher priced mini. Whether it be a Pit Fiend, Large Red Dragon, Stone Giant, etc. And just to clarify, these creatures were picked for the sake of example, as I don’t what future minis we will have, or the rarity of them, but just chose minis that I think would be popular and rare.
But my point is, you are going to have that potential escalating price for any rare mini you buy singularly in Heroes and Monsters, or any future sets, for that matter. What difference does it make if it’s a commoner or [insert popular rare mini]?
Because people are willing to pay $15 for a large red dragon (for example) and not $15 for Joe Average human commoner. That means that people who purchase cases in order to open them and sell the miniatures on the secondary market (something Paizo.com will be doing as well), will be less motivated if they know that at least one of the rares, the ones that they make the most profit on and allow them to sell the commons at much lower prices, selling them better as well, is basically worthless. You can't sell it for $3 because it is rare, you'll never make your money back on it, but you can't sell it for $15 because nobody is insane enough to pay that much for it.
So they pass on that case of miniatures and wait for the next wave. Next thing you know, PF Battles is canceled. Thanks Joe Average rare commoner, you ruined it for everyone.
Am I being a little hyperbolic here? A little, sure. But anyone who thinks that considerations about if a miniature is going to sell on the secondary market is meaningless. Keep that person far away from the decision making process.