Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Advanced Player's Guide (OGL)

If this has been discussed in the thread already, I apologize. But I wonder what the ability/feat “Steal” entails? As we already have a Sleight of Hand skill.

I'm speculating that "Steal" allows in-combat theft? Or makes it easier?

Steal is a new Combat Maneuver that allows you to snatch stuff from the enemy during combat.

Interesting. I wonder what the limits on that is. Like could they just open up your Bag of Holding/Handy Haversack and grab whatever is in there? Or does it have to be something exposed?

I guess we will find out in a couple of weeks.

I would think because its used in combat it could only be used for stuff in reach/ visable. Nothing in packs, pouches, bags of holding, ect.. But you should be able to try and grab a bag or pouch if you can see it.

Any word on combat maneuvers other than "steal"?

Any word on combat maneuvers other than "steal"?

Dirty Trick, Reposition, Drag :)

LoreKeeper wrote:

Any word on combat maneuvers other than "steal"?

Dirty Trick, Reposition, Drag :)

Okay, any word on what these do? Also, do any/all of them require a different "base" feat compared to the current ones? (i.e. not PowerAttack or CombatExpertise)

Gorbacz wrote:

LoreKeeper wrote:

Any word on combat maneuvers other than "steal"?

Dirty Trick, Reposition, Drag :)

Okay, any word on what these do? Also, do any/all of them require a different "base" feat compared to the current ones? (i.e. not PowerAttack or CombatExpertise)

Dirty trick is throwing sand in someone's eyes etc, so probably some sort of penalty. Drag is Anti-Bullrush.

Gorbacz wrote:

Dirty Trick, Reposition, Drag :)

Okay, any word on what these do?

I assume Drag, Dirty Trick, and Reposition all have to do with hiring a transvestite prostitute. At least that's what Eddie Murphy suggested when I asked him.

Actually, Steal might be related, too.

Oh, yes... just got my "next week or so" mail...

Me too !!! Yay !!!

Oh, yes... just got my "next week or so" mail...

Oh, yes... just got my "next week or so" mail...

No fair! My "next week or so" email message shows the last chapter of Kingmaker AP and the first of the Serpent Skull but doesn't include my Advanced Player's Guide! ...double checked, still shows my preorder included in my order history. Hmmmmm.....

Me too !!! Yay !!!

evilash wrote:

Oh, yes... just got my "next week or so" mail...

Hopefully we'll start seeing them ship Monday! please oh please Monday!

I'd post this in the customer service thread and ask Cos or Sara Marie to look into it.

-- david
Papa.DRB

ps. You must be ordering not under teh RPG subscriber...

evilash wrote:

Oh, yes... just got my "next week or so" mail...

No fair! My "next week or so" email message shows the last chapter of Kingmaker AP and the first of the Serpent Skull but doesn't include my Advanced Player's Guide! ...double checked, still shows my preorder included in my order history. Hmmmmm.....

I pre ordered my copy. I hope to get a email soon. :)

Hmm, Sleight of Hand already allows you to steal during combat, though you provoke an AoO. In fact, there's a feat in Dragon Compendium called Cutpurse that lets you use Sleight of Hand to steal during combat without provoking one.

There's also Master Pickpocket in City of Stormreach that does the same thing (except you get +4 bonus if grappling and take -10 and not -20 penalty when pickpocketing as a free action). Cutpurse has no Dex requirement (but requires Improved Unarmed Strike), so it's easier to qualify while Master Pickpocket needed more ranks in Sleight of Hand and Dex 15+ (and is clearly better).

So I wonder how "Steal" works and whether I should forfeit yet MORE feats from my games, or ignore this new CM? Hmm....

E-mail recieved...now the waiting begins

No fair! My "next week or so" email message shows the last chapter of Kingmaker AP and the first of the Serpent Skull but doesn't include my Advanced Player's Guide! ...double checked, still shows my preorder included in my order history. Hmmmmm.....

I think they begin with the subscribers, and since you're not a subscriber to the RPG line your preorder of the APG will probably be processed separately after the subscriber copies has gone out.

Hm, I received the e-mail for the my adventure path suscription but not for the RPG suscription. Now I'm worried the APG will be available later for me than the AP's. ^^

Hm, I received the e-mail for the my adventure path suscription but not for the RPG suscription. Now I'm worried the APG will be available later for me than the AP's. ^^

Same here. But I just sub. to the AP not the core Pathfinder RPG. But I did pre order the Players Guide.

Maveric28 wrote:

No fair! My "next week or so" email message shows the last chapter of Kingmaker AP and the first of the Serpent Skull but doesn't include my Advanced Player's Guide! ...double checked, still shows my preorder included in my order history. Hmmmmm.....

I think they begin with the subscribers, and since you're not a subscriber to the RPG line your preorder of the APG will probably be processed separately after the subscriber copies has gone out.

Nope, same story for me.....no email, and I subscribe to the RPG only, at that.

EDIT: Hopefully, it's just that the emails are slowly trickling out over the week.

Got my email! (awaits anxiously!)

I think I may be more excited about the APG's release than I was about the core book itself. Ship them already, dang it, or else just bill me and unlock the PDFs!

Paizo, please take my money ! Now !

Got my 'standby' to 'standby' email last night and I only subscribe to the RPG line currently. The only other thing I have ordered are the miniatures for the new class iconics, but I have not received an email of any sort regarding them. Nor were they mentioned in the 'Standby for the APG' email I got; they will apparently be shipped separately, which is fine by me. I don't want the minis to slow down the book getting to me.

Maybe if we ask nice and send cookies or cupcakes, (one of my friend's is a would class baker so think about it) Paizo would would on lock the pdfs. I don't mind being waiting a little longer like say monday. Let me know what kind of Cupcakes/ Cookies you would like.

Well I know Josh likes Oreos...

Well, I'm getting to be 35 tomorrow, so I fear it's 1975. <sigh> Where did the years go? :p

I've got eleven years up on you....so don't complain about feeling old.

Still it's funny how many of us have the same birth date.

WOO! Got my e-mail and there's a pre-note on my account... Maybe tomorrow then?

*fidgets in his chair, hitting refresh on his e-mail page*

So, if the preorders ship with a day or two, when will it be available for the general population?

My boss is going to be stepping down from his job at the end of next week and we're wondering for a going away present for him?

So, if the preorders ship with a day or two, when will it be available for the general population?

My boss is going to be stepping down from his job at the end of next week and we're wondering for a going away present for him?

Preorders tend to ship within a week of the notice rather than a day or two. The book and PDF will be on sale to the general public on the first day of GenCon. The only people who might get it earlier (and might get it later, especially if they're international) are subscrivbers and pre-orders.

Hmm, Sleight of Hand already allows you to steal during combat, though you provoke an AoO. In fact, there's a feat in Dragon Compendium called Cutpurse that lets you use Sleight of Hand to steal during combat without provoking one.

So I wonder how "Steal" works and whether I should forfeit yet MORE feats from my games, or ignore this new CM? Hmm....

I think Steal is another move anyone can try to do, not a feat. Another thing you can do with CMB and CMD. Sorry to get off topic.

I think Steal is another move anyone can try to do, not a feat. Another thing you can do with CMB and CMD. Sorry to get off topic.

There's a feat called Master Pickpocket that lets you grab items off an enemy with Sleight of Hand. I know it's an official PFRPG feat, but I don't remember where it came from. (I tend to copy/paste feats I like into a Word file so I can access them quickly without looking through umpteen books).

WOO! Got my e-mail and there's a pre-note on my account... Maybe tomorrow then?

Hm, I'm getting concerned... I got my e-mail for the adventure path books, but none so far for the APG. I hope it will be ready for early next week and not delayed. I've been waiting so much for the book. :-(

Illithar wrote:

WOO! Got my e-mail and there's a pre-note on my account... Maybe tomorrow then?

Hm, I'm getting concerned... I got my e-mail for the adventure path books, but none so far for the APG. I hope it will be ready for early next week and not delayed. I've been waiting so much for the book. :-(

I had something similar a month or two ago with the Gamemastery Guide, for what ever reason it wasn't in my confirmation e-mail, but it was in the shipment when it went out.

magnuskn wrote:

Illithar wrote:

WOO! Got my e-mail and there's a pre-note on my account... Maybe tomorrow then?

Hm, I'm getting concerned... I got my e-mail for the adventure path books, but none so far for the APG. I hope it will be ready for early next week and not delayed. I've been waiting so much for the book. :-(

I had something similar a month or two ago with the Gamemastery Guide, for what ever reason it wasn't in my confirmation e-mail, but it was in the shipment when it went out.

I hope so, otherwise I'll have to get out the heavy guns. :p

LoreKeeper wrote:

Any word on combat maneuvers other than "steal"?

Dirty Trick, Reposition, Drag :)

So Drag isn't a new option Bardic Performance? ;)

So Drag isn't a new option Bardic Performance? ;)

Looking fabulous is never an option; its a requirement.

Razz wrote:

Hmm, Sleight of Hand already allows you to steal during combat, though you provoke an AoO. In fact, there's a feat in Dragon Compendium called Cutpurse that lets you use Sleight of Hand to steal during combat without provoking one.

So I wonder how "Steal" works and whether I should forfeit yet MORE feats from my games, or ignore this new CM? Hmm....

I think Steal is another move anyone can try to do, not a feat. Another thing you can do with CMB and CMD. Sorry to get off topic.

Sorry to continue on the off topic. I think Razz is refering to having to get theoretical Improved Steal/Greater Steal feats to make the manoeuvre effective.

Greedy player here... seeing as the book's already been leaked (greaat) any chance on an earlier release of the PDF to subscribers? It certainly didn't give me a warm fuzzy when I saw that.

Greedy player here... seeing as the book's already been leaked (greaat) any chance on an earlier release of the PDF to subscribers? It certainly didn't give me a warm fuzzy when I saw that.

I would think that it is quite unlikely that Paizo will, because a store broke the release date, move up their timetable for releasing the book.

nathan blackmer wrote:

Greedy player here... seeing as the book's already been leaked (greaat) any chance on an earlier release of the PDF to subscribers? It certainly didn't give me a warm fuzzy when I saw that.

I would think that it is quite unlikely that Paizo will, because a store broke the release date, move up their timetable for releasing the book.

Yeah me too, but it never hurts to ask, right? I mean we are subscribers and the advantage of that is getting it first. I certainly won't have any hard feelings if I dont, its a great company and I love the product, but its still worth asking.

Someone released early?

That's it...everyone light up your torches and sharpen your pitchforks.

They must be punished.

Someone released early?

That's it...everyone light up your torches and sharpen your pitchforks.

They must be punished.

*rabble rabble rabble*

Blazej wrote:

nathan blackmer wrote:

Greedy player here... seeing as the book's already been leaked (greaat) any chance on an earlier release of the PDF to subscribers? It certainly didn't give me a warm fuzzy when I saw that.

I would think that it is quite unlikely that Paizo will, because a store broke the release date, move up their timetable for releasing the book.

Yeah me too, but it never hurts to ask, right? I mean we are subscribers and the advantage of that is getting it first. I certainly won't have any hard feelings if I dont, its a great company and I love the product, but its still worth asking.

Well, I'd love to have the book to read over the weekend... ^^

I don't care if it's leaking already, but a solid date as to when subscribers will have access to the PDF would be nice.

Even if you don't have one, just lie.

For subscribers to get their PDFs early, I imagine that the relevant staff would need to come in over the whole weekend to ensure that the relevant subscribers were all billed correctly, and the PDFs enabled.

I expect that they'd rather have their weekend off! So continue to be patient... it's only a few more days!

anyone else thing corporate espionage, I just really excited about every thing happening. Paizo must be doing something right for other corporation to step in and muck thing up. I thinking BP is trying to systematically throw every one off the trail of the mess. Starting with Paizo and there fans I wonder who is next.

"Yes now the gamer geeks are of out trail next, Dog owners." you watch there is going to be some kind of crazy dog scandal next.

any way the cupcake or cookie offer is still on the table, just need an address and how many you want.