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It might be polarizing or not, but if it is count me a "+" pole. I love it. I think it's the best AP module yet. I love all the social and non-combat encounters. I also really like the internal consistency of this one...it all fit and made sense to me.
Awesome job. Encore!
Now, of course, you've fallen in love with our beloved Cheliax, and you would want to join our glorious faction, right? Just sign your name here on this leather parchment... here's some blo... uh, red ink you can use. And don't bother reading the fine print... ;)
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James, James, James... it appears we need to send you to the Chelish brainw... er, rehabilitation camp *again*! You should know that Westport is Westcrown's former name, and Westgate is the city in Forgotten Realms! ;)...when I travelled to Westport ...That might be the problem there! Westport's in the Forgotten Realms!
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Crap. It's hard to keep track of what parts of history my gal the Majestrix has gotten around to having rewritten. Should be fixed soon enough. If you'll all send me your addresses, that will make the process of eliminating incorrect thoughts and false memories go so much more quickly.
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Crap. It's hard to keep track of what parts of history my gal the Majestrix has gotten around to having rewritten. Should be fixed soon enough. If you'll all send me your addresses, that will make the process of eliminating incorrect thoughts and false memories go so much more quickly.James, James, James... it appears we need to send you to the Chelish brainw... er, rehabilitation camp *again*! You should know that Westport is Westcrown's former name, and Westgate is the city in Forgotten Realms! ;)...when I travelled to Westport ...That might be the problem there! Westport's in the Forgotten Realms!
:P
Ah, I know a good place where your memory can be... restored, and all inproper thoughts eliminated -- Citadel Rivad, just a short trip from Westcrown, and I can guarantee that the honored Order of the Rack will even provide you with a free wagon ride there! ;P
Im a subscriber, but my issue #26 has said "pending" since Monday, [...]
Lucky one, mine is pending for two weeks or so ...
Im a subscriber, but my issue #26 has said "pending" since Monday, it is now Thursday, and I cannot download the PDF. Do I need to do something?
Me too. Just restarted subscriptions, PF#26 and Chelix both sat in "pending". I hope it will work...
That might be the problem there! Westport's in the Forgotten Realms!
Westport is Westcrown's old name.
Westgate is the FR city.
Edit: Doh. Didn't notice a previous response already.
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For those of you waiting for #26, we're getting to them. We were down a warehouse team member this week and it was only Jeff Strand with myself and Jeff Alvarez throwing in when we could. However, we added a new warehouse person on Wednesday (and for those who care, we are still looking for a third warehouse person, don't worry), and Will kicked his Paizo career off with a bang yesterday, getting quite a few subscriptions out the door. I assume that we will get most people shipped by the weekend. There are always a couple of problem children orders which may take longer, which is why I said "most." So hang in there! :)
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That might be the problem there! Westport's in the Forgotten Realms!Westport is Westcrown's old name.
Westgate is the FR city.
Edit: Doh. Didn't notice a previous response already.
Further complicating things for me is that there's a town called Westport about 75 minutes north of where I grew up, so THAT version of the name's actually the one that I default to now and then. And I had to expunge quite a few Westgate references in working on various Westcrown-themed articles over the past few months. So all three names are bouncing around in my head and fighting for attention...
Mine has shipped, hooray - and now excuse me, I have something to read.
For those of you waiting for #26, we're getting to them. We were down a warehouse team member this week and it was only Jeff Strand with myself and Jeff Alvarez throwing in when we could. However, we added a new warehouse person on Wednesday (and for those who care, we are still looking for a third warehouse person, don't worry), and Will kicked his Paizo career off with a bang yesterday, getting quite a few subscriptions out the door. I assume that we will get most people shipped by the weekend. There are always a couple of problem children orders which may take longer, which is why I said "most." So hang in there! :)
Thanks for the update, Lisa. As long as there's still some on the pile and it's not just me, I'll stop worrying and get back to anticipating ;)
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For those of you waiting for #26, we're getting to them. We were down a warehouse team member this week and it was only Jeff Strand with myself and Jeff Alvarez throwing in when we could. However, we added a new warehouse person on Wednesday (and for those who care, we are still looking for a third warehouse person, don't worry), and Will kicked his Paizo career off with a bang yesterday, getting quite a few subscriptions out the door. I assume that we will get most people shipped by the weekend. There are always a couple of problem children orders which may take longer, which is why I said "most." So hang in there! :)
-Lisa
I'll take you up on the job....but alas I live in ANchorage, Alaska. Maybe after graduating in GLobal Logistics Management...but...have to pay student loans so probably not...
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Further complicating things for me is that there's a town called Westport about 75 minutes north of where I grew up, so THAT version of the name's actually the one that I default to now and then. And I had to expunge quite a few Westgate references in working on various Westcrown-themed articles over the past few months. So all three names are bouncing around in my head and fighting for attention...That might be the problem there! Westport's in the Forgotten Realms!Westport is Westcrown's old name.
Westgate is the FR city.
Edit: Doh. Didn't notice a previous response already.
James, you need to get that FR lore out of your head... ;)
(Funny that Westgate came up; I don't recall if the Westgate bits were done by Eric Boyd, but Sean and Steven Schend participated in writing the excellent 'Cloak & Dagger', which contains a lot of Westgate lore -- now both of them wrote stuff for Westcrown!)
Woo hoo! Mine's been shipped!
All joking aside, I've really been looking forward to this one. One of the things I love about Paizo products is how they understand that fluff isn't just about writing something interesting about a place...it's about giving life to a place. Giving it a rich history, and culture, and giving it its own reality.
Heck the brief information about Chelaxian Opera n the Campaign Setting (pg 21 for those who are curious)was what inspired me to run my current campaign. (Which is set in Cheliax and the main character is a noble opera singer who became a Chelish dog/slave because his family was part of the resistance. His families fall and capture/death took place a opera house in Ostenso while he sang his aria.) That dedication to giving worlds a reality rather than just a simple cool factor plus things like writing a play specifically for a game...that's why I subscribe!
So no...there isn't a lot of combat, but as Quentin Tarantino has shown, a conversation can be more violent and dynamic than a scalping if done right.
It's hard for me to tell if the argument on this thread is legit, or if it's a bunch of RP between factions.
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In the case of the latter... aieee! You're confusing the poor Editor in Chief with your unexpected role play in a product feedback thread!
As for confusion: That is always my goal - after all, my true allegiance lies with the Cerulean Void so any structure, including structure of thought and mind, disgusts me!
Gao yang jong duh goo yang!
Ei jo, dadd kann eisch aach, irjendebbes do rommschwedse dadd dau nedd verschdeschd. Onnn eisch kannet noch vell bessa weil dau kenn schongs haschd, dadd do von irjendänem ewwaseddst ze grehn!
I'll have you know that since I was a child would risk dishonoring my family to watch as traveling entertainers would perform operas such as Walgneer's "Der Ring des Aroden" and Mozarious' "La clemenza di Iomedae".
So fleeting pleasures sought with dubious entertainers were more important to you than your family's honour? Is that why they disowned you, taking everything from you except one of your sister's jammies to wear?
And lose the harlot makeup!
What makeup? That's my natural complexion!
a noble opera singer who became a Chelish dog
I think I heard him once. Little spaniel, keeps yapping. I think my neighbour owns him.
So no...there isn't a lot of combat, but as Quentin Tarantino has shown, a conversation can be more violent and dynamic than a scalping if done right.
You have never witnessed my scalping, then!
If you'll all send me your addresses, that will make the process of eliminating incorrect thoughts and false memories go so much more quickly.
Of course, my real name and address are:
Al E. Yass
Generic Street 24
12345 Anyplace, Neverland
Connecticut is in the Forgotten Realms? That would make visiting my mother-in-law more interesting. ;-)It'd explain a lot about your mother-in-law, too.
She's epic level, a chosen of Mystra and travels between worlds to talk to Ed?
So far, with what I've read, I cannot wait to run my party through the first phases of this adventure tomorrow. I do, however have one thing I'd like to take exception to. Its little, and mostly I think its funny, but It's definately an error.
Mind you, I don't care, my party doesn't have to see the picture, and I'm not in the least annoyed or angry with this, but I wanted to let you all at paizo know. Its out of character for you
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So far, with what I've read, I cannot wait to run my party through the first phases of this adventure tomorrow. I do, however have one thing I'd like to take exception to. Its little, and mostly I think its funny, but It's definately an error.
** spoiler omitted **
Mind you, I don't care, my party doesn't have to see the picture, and I'm not in the least annoyed or angry with this, but I wanted to let you all at paizo know. Its out of character for you
This is unfortunate... but it happens now and then. Sometimes, the art comes in very very late... in some cases, the day before, the day of, or even AFTER we're supposed to ship something to a printer. When it comes in this late, we have to basically hope that the artist followed the art order and that the art will match the description in the adventure. When it comes in late and it doesn't match, we change the description of the character to match the art. Sometimes, as in this case, the art comes in late and no one notices because the people who are familiar with the adventure have forgotten to double check everything... or more likely... don't have the time to double check things that shouldn't be problems. There's thousands of ways these breakdowns in communication happen. Especially when you mix late art with late manuscripts, moving offices, conventions, 60 hour work weeks, relaunching the core rules, and all that. We actually had a similar problem with another character illustration in this same adventure but we fixed that one in time. We just missed Robhal.
It's very frustrating, and when an artist does this to us more than a couple times, you generally end up never seeing that person's art in Paizo products again.
This is unfortunate... but it happens now and then. Sometimes, the art comes in very very late...
James... simply put... thank you for caring. This is a really minor thing and I didn't notice it until it was pointed out. Still, it's clear the bar is very high for Paizo and I'd like to say that I appreciate that. Good job.
:) Every cloud...
It could always be looked upon as an additional plot device of course:
1 I visualised Robahl as looking something like British Actor Windsor Davies, a picture of whom can be found here (he's the one on the right)-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2806447.stm
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2 Robahl is even more eccentric than listed, he frequently dons his robe of disguise (as hat of disguise (PFCR 516) and adopts a new persona for each day to show who is the greatest actor of all - be that his usual short self, the persona of Drac Robahl the dashing gothic artiste, Lorena Robahl, the lady with the deep voice, Karl Robahl the black-robed pirate or any number of other personas.
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3 Do like you said and ignore the picture.
Huzzah!
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:) Every cloud...
It could always be looked upon as an additional plot device of course:
1 I visualised Robahl as looking something like British Actor Windsor Davies, a picture of whom can be found here (he's the one on the right)-
OR
2 Robahl is even more eccentric than listed, he frequently dons his robe of disguise (as hat of disguise (PFCR 516) and adopts a new persona for each day to show who is the greatest actor of all - be that his usual short self, the persona of Drac Robahl the dashing gothic artiste, Lorena Robahl, the lady with the deep voice, Karl Robahl the black-robed pirate or any number of other personas.
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3 Do like you said and ignore the picture.
Huzzah!
Linkified for you. And when I get around to running this, I am sooo going to play him as Windsor Davies. Much fun.
Cheers:)
I'm also delighted somebody on these boards knows who Windsor Davies is.
Hoorah and off to demolish a wall. Move yourselves, move yourselves!
Rich
When it comes in this late, we have to basically hope that the artist followed the art order and that the art will match the description in the adventure. When it comes in late and it doesn't match
You did send him to the Halls of Penitence, right?
Wow. Bastards of Erebus really got me, but after reading The Sixfold Trial I'm cursing Paizo for making The Savage Tide so good that I don't want to just kill my party and start running CoT.
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I wrote a multi-act play for my old Ptolus campaign that was based on a pantheon and its past mythological happenings.
I cannot wait for this to arrive so I can see how this was done!
It seems that gaming is like acting in some respects, so I think it is a natural inclination for some GMs to eventually want to include an actual stage play into the game.
This is probably so awesome that the author will get a standing ovation from me.
*hurry, hurry delivery!*
For some reason I have the feeling this will be one my favorite adventures to run, ever.
Ei jo, dadd kann eisch aach, irjendebbes do rommschwedse dadd dau nedd verschdeschd. Onnn eisch kannet noch vell bessa weil dau kenn schongs haschd, dadd do von irjendänem ewwaseddst ze grehn!
*Confers with translator*
I can only assume that seeing as how my translators cannot seem to understand what you are saying then this is merely the jibbering of either a madman or a fool. Given your "complexion" I'll go with both.
So fleeting pleasures sought with dubious entertainers were more important to you than your family's honour? Is that why they disowned you, taking everything from you except one of your sister's jammies to wear?
My father is a merchant. My people already do not see selling the wares of another as honorable, but realize it is necessary; so it allows certain freedoms. But even merchants and entertainers would be considered more honorable than most of the Chelish swine I've met in Westport...err crown...
All said, in the interest of at least a neutral peace between our two people let us realize that we can both agree on one very important point:
Taldoran opera is the worst form of entertainment ever created, and compared to it any other is the song of angels (or devils if you prefer).
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Wow. Bastards of Erebus really got me, but after reading The Sixfold Trial I'm cursing Paizo for making The Savage Tide so good that I don't want to just kill my party and start running CoT.
Just console yourself with the fact that you'll have the entire CoT path completed before you start running it. That way you can play with the NPCs however you want to without the risk of mucking something up in a yet-to-be-published issue.
*Confers with translator*
I can only assume that seeing as how my translators cannot seem to understand what you are saying then this is merely the jibbering of either a madman or a fool. Given your "complexion" I'll go with both.
Your translator sucks. Get one that knows Saarlännisch.
My father is a merchant. My people already do not see selling the wares of another as honorable
Well, that's what you get for following your heathen ways. Your value system is all screwed up.
But even merchants and entertainers would be considered more honorable than most of the Chelish swine I've met in Westport...err crown...
Well, some weird foreign guy like you would probably not be let out of the slums, to protect the native females from being ravished or something, so you saw the very worst of Cheliax, which is barely better than foreign nobles (in other words: really low)
All said, in the interest of at least a neutral peace between our two people let us realize that we can both agree on one very important point:Taldoran opera is the worst form of entertainment ever created, and compared to it any other is the song of angels (or devils if you prefer).
No, we cannot agree on that. Taldane opera is not a form of entertainment. It's a form of torture! While Chelaxians have the decency to only torture the body, the Taldanes torture the victims' soul.
I've updated the cover and description to match the finished product. If the fat lady hasn't sung for you, clear your browser's image cache.Yeah um thats some cover. She is getting pretty close to being as round as she is tall.Looks like a truly... er, unique choice for a BBEG (although nothing less than I expected of mr. Pett) -- the fiendish, dreaded Chelaxian Fat Lady! ;P
I was going to say myself, that dame looks like she could haunt a house. Kinda reminds of of TNA wrestling's Awesome Kong.
With that out of the way... I'm looking forward to getting this, as much for the article on Iomedae as anything else. The Inheritor is one of my favorite deities in Golarion thus far, with only Lamashtu and Calistria outranking her. But what's been said about the bestiary sounds cool too. Death Knights were one of my favorite old D&D monsters, and it'll be swete to see the Paizo version/homage of them.
Gotta say, I'm unimpressed with the whole theater thing. I've read the PDF and after a good start, this was certainly a fumble for me (YMMV). I'm hoping for a HUGE improvement in the next installment...
I think this one, rather like Prince of Redhand (Dungeon 131), is going to be a love or hate thing, although I'd hope the Asmodean Knot and other parts of the adventure would have enough in its oily tentacles to give some fun to most people.
Personally, I'm more pleased with Sixfold than any other AP instalment I've been lucky enough to write so far because its always a challenge bringing role-playing to the fore and writing it (and I suppose therefore playing it and DMing it) is more tricky. One of the things I love about Paizo is that they are not afraid to take a chance and try something different, and the APs give them a chance to put a few twists and turns in.
I hope you'll enjoy the next installment more, but I'm also very pleased that some people will love the play as a welcome change of pace.
Rich
Agreed, however, my guys will hate it (and I am not too fond of it either), so the whole AP is "wasted" for me. They are definitely of the ilk: 1) kick in the door, 2) kill the bad guy, 3) take his stuff, 4) repeat. There is *some* role playing (maybe 10%), but this is just too much.
I have been considering suspending my AP subscriber for the remainder of the AP.
-- david
Papa.DRB
I think this one, rather like Prince of Redhand (Dungeon 131), is going to be a love or hate thing, although I'd hope the Asmodean Knot and other parts of the adventure would have enough in its oily tentacles to give some fun to most people.
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I got my first Pathfinder Adventure Path subscription in the mail yesterday...
I see there is a somewhat polar reception of this particular module, but it is the reason why I finally got off my butt and subscribed.
Things I like:
* The play is of a manageable size to run.
* Adds to the history and culture of Golarion
* the nice artwork, as always
As a GM that runs fast-paced hack n slash when there are combat encounters (and that is usually often), but also has "plans within plans" running in the background of everything, for me, Council of Thieves #2 just adds to future possibilities as much as it provides an interesting adventure.
It is understandable that this will not appeal to everyone, but I think it serves a purpose for many.
The Sixfold Trial is part of a whole world and remembering that may take the edge off of the initial reception for those that aren't "grooving" on it as much.
Golarion is a great campaign setting. This Adventure Path volume can only add to it in the long run.
Just my personal opinion, so I am not stating this to nay-say anyone else, but as I said, The Sixfold Trial is what made me get off of the fence and subscribe and I am 100% pleased with it :)
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I think this one, rather like Prince of Redhand (Dungeon 131), is going to be a love or hate thing, although I'd hope the Asmodean Knot and other parts of the adventure would have enough in its oily tentacles to give some fun to most people.
Personally, I'm more pleased with Sixfold than any other AP instalment I've been lucky enough to write so far because its always a challenge bringing role-playing to the fore and writing it (and I suppose therefore playing it and DMing it) is more tricky. One of the things I love about Paizo is that they are not afraid to take a chance and try something different, and the APs give them a chance to put a few twists and turns in.
I hope you'll enjoy the next installment more, but I'm also very pleased that some people will love the play as a welcome change of pace.
Rich
I can understand why more "action-oriented" groups might not like it, but I and my players will surely will love it! I also described the plot of this module to another DM (who hasn't bought any Paizo products but is familiar with how APs work) and he really, really liked it! :)
Brilliant, mr. Pett, simply brilliant! HUZZAH!
And hoorah!
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Don't have it yet; just curious.....how hard is it to "upgun" this one about 4 levels? Assuming with all the roleplaying potentially involved it won't be too hard(?)
The play part and the dinner are both very easy to scale up. The actual exploration of the Mayor's mansion and it's vault might be more problematic but it should be doable.
I would just like to take the opportunity to thank Richard Pett, Nicolas Logue, and the Paizo staff for providing our group with one of the best gaming sessions we have had in years. I ran the first half of "The Sixfold Trial" for my long-time gaming group today and we had a blast! It was a truly memorable experience. Coming from a group that has gone through every adventure path from "Shackled City" onward, this is no small statement. Bravo to Paizo for taking a chance on an adventure like this, and we look forward to more brilliance in the future.
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I finally received my hard copy, but have already devoured the PDF many times over. I appreciate Paizo for providing the PDF free with the subscription, as I can grab a copy and read at my most common places of computing joy.
This is a masterwork of horror, tension, beauty and schadenfreude. I can not wait until I am able to inflict this upon my most beloved spouse.
Bravo Mr Pett, Bravo Mr Logue. You are truly a credit to your profession.
Now get back in your pits and satisfy my dark hunger!
You'll be pleased to know perhaps that Logue is back here with me now, in his dark cellar with his rusty collar and nose chain, his glove puppet raven and the punishment stick waiting.
Waiting.
Snick snick.
Snick snick.
Perhaps an extra morsel for Logue today.
Perhaps not.
And a particular bravo for getting schadenfreude into a post, that deserves a special hoorah!:)
Hamfist is busy too!!!
Right on.....thanks!
Heathy, you can't scale it up and still run it for the same level of characters it was originally intended for - that's just cruel.
Be nice.