Pathfinder #1—Rise of the Runelords Chapter 1: "Burnt Offerings" (OGL) PDF

I too want a re-print of this module, the only ones available online are $150.00-ish on amazon or ebay.

Charge more for them if you have to, I'd gladly pay more for them if it would cover the printing costs of a small print run. Just not $80-$160 that people online want for the out of print ones like volumes 1 and 3.

Even better, recompile them all into a single campaign book, update to PFRPG rules and sell me that. I'd buy it without hesitation. :P

Even better, recompile them all into a single campaign book, update to PFRPG rules and sell me that. I'd buy it without hesitation. :P

+1

I'm lucky to own a copy, but all in one book- & Pathfinderized! I'd pick that up as well. I'm running it with my group starting next month and need to check to see if anyone has some updated stat blocks & such here on the boards. (Sidenote: This weekend I'm picking up Pathfinder #18-the Last chapter of Second Darkness to complete my Pathfinder set! That missing number has been driving me nuts!)

I've just swapped out the statblocks from the Bestiary thus far, with the exceptions of Tsuto and the quasit, (I'm only to the end of the Catacombs, prep-wise) which I guess is non-OGL or simply crowded out(?). No quasit in the Bestiary. Anyway, I copied them out onto Monster Initiative Cards I'd bought here and printed out and am now good to go.

No, I wasn't paid to do that. I just like them.

I'd *love* to see a bound edition of this whole AP as well, and updated to PF. I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Same goes for any of the APs. Been playing one form or another of this game for the past 28 years and nothing matches the quality of the 'Pathfinder' material, in my book.

The Quasit is on page 66 of the Pathfinder Bestiary... It's listed as Demon, Quasit... Hope that helps a bit.

The Quasit is on page 66 of the Pathfinder Bestiary... It's listed as Demon, Quasit... Hope that helps a bit.

Doh! It does, in fact! Thanks!

can somebody tell me if i can use the "paths and modules" with the Pathfinder RPG rules? i read one of the free modules and some of the terms confuse me....

You can use the 3.5 material with a little conversion work. Refer to the conversion guide for details :)

Also, the Paths starting with Council of Thieves are written for the Pathfinder RPG rules. And I do not know when the modules started with the Pathfinder rules but if you look at the page for modules it has the 3.5 ones separated from the Pathfinder ones. Everything Paizo has done since the Core Rule Book came out has been done for Pathfinder rather than 3.5

And to reiterate what was said above. The conversion is not difficult from 3.5 to Pathfinder.

Crypt of the Everflame was the start of PFRPG rules vs 3.5 in modules.

I may have missed this above, and I know why we don't do it at this moment, but do we have a timeline for us people who LOVE this series to be

1) redone in proper PFRPG style
2) Reprinted.

Read through the first few books and am instantly in love with this path. I further would love to give you my money in exchange.

On a similar but different note, if I do the rules rework myself is there a place where people can gain from my work?

Check out the RotRL forum, there is probably as much community material created there as adventure material in the books themselves. Plus tons of ideas, experiences, problems solved, handouts, etc. Once I saw that, it made the Runelords even more appealing, and my players love all the extra handouts and bloody notes :)

Just adding my voice to those who would love to see Rise of the Runelords updated to Pathfinder and published as a single volume. I'd pay for that in a heartbeat.

The conversion work posted in the RotRL forum is great but I'd still love to have a fully updated version. It seems like that'd be reasonably easy money for Paizo.

Its been said there are no immediate plans for reprinting the older APs at this time

Actually, it was strongly hinted in this thread, by both Lisa and James, that this will be on the product list for 2012.

(Not set in stone, but very likely.)

Just adding my voice to those who would love to see Rise of the Runelords updated to Pathfinder and published as a single volume. I'd pay for that in a heartbeat.

Would you pay $100 for it? There would be a LOT of pages in a compile RotRL. How much would you pay for it? Remember that the original 6 volumes would have sold for $120! We wouldn't want to make it too much cheaper than that otherwise nobody would buy the original volumes. So, does $100 change the mind of folks who want this reprinted?

-Lisa

Despite my profound love and fanboyism, blowing 100 USD on something I already have is Not An Option.

Would you pay $100 for it?

No. I would much rather that Paizo spend their energy and talent on creating new, original material rather than revisiting something older and slapping new window-dressing on it. PFRPG and OGL are close enough mechanics-wise that an "update" isn't really warranted.

I'm not opposed to this happening eventually, but I would much rather the AP be 6, 8, or (better yet) 10 years old before it gets a retread.

-Skeld

Wander Weir wrote:

Just adding my voice to those who would love to see Rise of the Runelords updated to Pathfinder and published as a single volume. I'd pay for that in a heartbeat.

Would you pay $100 for it? There would be a LOT of pages in a compile RotRL. How much would you pay for it? Remember that the original 6 volumes would have sold for $120! We wouldn't want to make it too much cheaper than that otherwise nobody would buy the original volumes. So, does $100 change the mind of folks who want this reprinted?

-Lisa

I'd shell out $100 for it to have it a) updated to Pathfinder and b) include new and interesting content. Including APG content, reinventing certain non-iconic clumsy encounters (6 rune giants in one tiny tiny room for example), just basically going back and taking RotRL and fixing it up. I would snap that up in a heartbeat.

If it's a straight "take the pages out of each book and put them into a hardcover" port, then no. The reason I don't run RotRL is because it's 3.5e material so I have to convert it over, it's extremely tough, parts of the module are silly or feel rushed and it meanders along in places leaving the party hanging. It's great for the first AP, but I definitely wouldn't purchase it for myself unless it got a spitshine.

EDIT:

I'm not opposed to this happening eventually, but I would much rather the AP be 6, 8, or (better yet) 10 years old before it gets a retread.

Pretty much this.

Would you pay $100 for it? There would be a LOT of pages in a compile RotRL. How much would you pay for it? Remember that the original 6 volumes would have sold for $120! We wouldn't want to make it too much cheaper than that otherwise nobody would buy the original volumes. So, does $100 change the mind of folks who want this reprinted?

Yes I would pay that price, but I suspect I am in the minority.

However, I would rather wait until there is time to properly address the updated version, perhaps adding in some additional material, a la The Shackled City hardcover, or including some additional end of the campaign material, much like has been done with the most recent APs.

Perhaps a good way to judge continuing interest in RotRL would be to commission a module that takes place post AP6? Return to Xin-Shalast? :)

I would pay for this updated to Pathfinder and also the other three 3.5 adventure paths. I do not know that I would buy ongoing compilations or not but I would buy the first four.

And I do not think compilations several years after the AP comes out would change people buying the current APs. Say the current one Serpent Skull. I would not want to wait 4 or 5 years to see it in hardcover - I want my Paizo goodness as soon as I can get it.

I will have converted this and GMed it more than once before even the earliest date for a re-release.

Why would I want a conversion I have already done?

I can't really afford to shell out $100 out of pure nostalgia/fanboy-ism.

Would you pay $100 for it? There would be a LOT of pages in a compile RotRL. How much would you pay for it? Remember that the original 6 volumes would have sold for $120! We wouldn't want to make it too much cheaper than that otherwise nobody would buy the original volumes. So, does $100 change the mind of folks who want this reprinted?

-Lisa

Nope. I already own the individual volumes. It would need more than a Pathfinder update to be useful. If it was enhanced, then I would consider it.

I wouldn´t just buy it for $100, I´d also play the hell out of it, since I missed this AP the first time around.

IMO it would be great if you could release one compiled AP volume each year for people like me who started with the Pathfinder RPG recently.

IMO it would be great if you could release one compiled AP volume each year for people like me who started with the Pathfinder RPG recently.

Now, that is a great idea. Just one a year. At that rate it nobody would wait around for the compilation. Every year with only one being released they would fall further and further behind.

I'd rather it was split into a volume of the Adventures (updated to Pathfinder!) and a volume containing the other stuff, myself.

As the APs have gone on, I have found it difficult to keep track of in which volume I can find a given piece of information from the part of the volumes that are not modules. I'd love to see that lot collected together.

Wander Weir wrote:

Just adding my voice to those who would love to see Rise of the Runelords updated to Pathfinder and published as a single volume. I'd pay for that in a heartbeat.

Would you pay $100 for it? There would be a LOT of pages in a compile RotRL. How much would you pay for it? Remember that the original 6 volumes would have sold for $120! We wouldn't want to make it too much cheaper than that otherwise nobody would buy the original volumes. So, does $100 change the mind of folks who want this reprinted?

I'd absolutely pay $100 for it. As you say, if it were available right now I'd be paying $120 anyway. Given that it's considerably more than that if you try to buy it on ebay, $100 bucks for a complete AP strikes me as a steal.

My only question really is whether or not Paizo would be willing to put the effort into updating it for the Pathfinder RPG. That's where the real value in re-releasing it would come from, for me anyway.

Edit to Add: For the record, I'm also one of those who wasn't around to get it the first time through. But it just so happens that I know a lot of people who might enjoy it that weren't able to pick it up back then either. 2008 was a weird year for gaming.

I would pay $100-$130 if it was updated to the PFRPG rule set and included additional content. If it was just a straight re-print, I would probably pass.

I would absolutely pick it up even for $100.

If hardbacked, and updated to pathfinder rules, then yes. Just the 6 volumes in one bundle softcover no.

If hardbacked, and updated to pathfinder rules, then yes. Just the 6 volumes in one bundle softcover no.

I'd gladly pay $100, if it were updated to PRPG rules and had some other "fixes" in it.

Wander Weir wrote:

Just adding my voice to those who would love to see Rise of the Runelords updated to Pathfinder and published as a single volume. I'd pay for that in a heartbeat.

Would you pay $100 for it? There would be a LOT of pages in a compile RotRL. How much would you pay for it? Remember that the original 6 volumes would have sold for $120! We wouldn't want to make it too much cheaper than that otherwise nobody would buy the original volumes. So, does $100 change the mind of folks who want this reprinted?

-Lisa

I'd pay 100-120 for it, easily. Heck, to get all the pieces now costs atleast 150 dollars with the ebay upcharge.

I want it, and I'm late to the party and trying to buy up everything I can. I enjoy physical copies, and finding a few things sold out makes me a little sad. Here's hoping enough interests shows, because I'd be the first to place a pre-order.

I would absolutely pay $100 for it IF it was a single volume and hardcover. I would actually pay for all the AP's so far at that price if they were single volume and hardcover, but I agree that the "oldies-but-goodies" need a solid update. I would love to see it.

*edit* would this also include the Player's Guide?

I'd just like to mention, after showing the blurbs of all 8 current AP's that there was a unanimous vote for this one. All for different reasons.

Though I will mention Carrion Crown was a close second, since I asked them to name their preferred choice and then a second should there be no clear choice to start.

They also had no idea that I'd already been reading through this campaign. Goes to show, Paizo out did themselves on their first go.

What about as a box set, with the adventures in one (or several booklets) and the supplemental stuff (bestiaries and maps) in others?

Cheers
Mark

I'd pay 100-120 for it, easily. Heck, to get all the pieces now costs atleast 150 dollars with the ebay upcharge.

I actually bought all the volumes of ROTRL for about 75$ total on Ebay and you can find them quite often selling all six in a bundle that rarely goes for more than 75 to 80$.

Within the last 6 months I purchased 8 copies of Burnt Offerings in a military combo pack bundled with the players guide for 15$ each, all of them still in shrink wrap from amazon.com. So with patience and searching you can still find this stuff relatively cheap, although Burnt Offerings and a few of the others do go for quite a bit if you do not shop around.

PFRPG reprint +1

I would only ask that if a reprint/update is published (especially if it's a special edition for the 10th/5th anniversary as discussed in the other thread) that it not be released as one of these completely annoying "limited" editions.

I'm not suggesting an "evergreen" printing, but an artificial limitation to make it more desirable really sucks.

It would be nice to have a bit of time to try to fit something like this into a gaming budget.

Would it be possible for Paizo to start selling print copies of items that have gone out-of-print through Lulu if there are no plans to order another print run?

I've been trying to complete my set of Rise of the Runelords for months (in the UK), and I just can't get the last two issues in a decent condition for less than £200.

Paizo folks have said in the past that printing out PDFs that we own is ok, but I want a decent quality print which would mean uploading my PDF to a professional print bureau, which I'm wary of doing with my watermark info on it.

Edit: Note, to reduce costs on the paizo side I'm perfectly happy with no cover art as long as the title is on the spine.

I would only ask that if a reprint/update is published (especially if it's a special edition for the 10th/5th anniversary as discussed in the other thread) that it not be released as one of these completely annoying "limited" editions.

I'm not suggesting an "evergreen" printing, but an artificial limitation to make it more desirable really sucks.

It would be nice to have a bit of time to try to fit something like this into a gaming budget.

If we do something like this, it would be as limited edition as any of our other products. Which means that we will make a print run that we assume will last us for a number of years. It may last less than that or more. We probably wouldn't reprint, but that isn't a guarantee either, since if it sells out really fast (like a matter of a few months) then we would figure that we vastly underprinted. But for the most part, we make a print run and that is that. So it is effectively a limited edition, but not in the sense of doing it on purpose to drive sales, like you mention.

-Lisa

Would it be possible for Paizo to start selling print copies of items that have gone out-of-print through Lulu if there are no plans to order another print run?

I don't think that we would ever sell POD copies through a place like Lulu, since we can't control the quality. However, we have been exploring the ability to do this ourselves as the technology improves, so I could see Paizo being able to do this ourselves down the line sometime.

-Lisa

So it is effectively a limited edition, but not in the sense of doing it on purpose to drive sales, like you mention.

-Lisa

Good to hear!

I understand that print runs of a particular product are "limited" as you say, but, per your description, they're not what I'm considering a "limited edition".

Thanks!

brock wrote:

Would it be possible for Paizo to start selling print copies of items that have gone out-of-print through Lulu if there are no plans to order another print run?

I don't think that we would ever sell POD copies through a place like Lulu, since we can't control the quality. However, we have been exploring the ability to do this ourselves as the technology improves, so I could see Paizo being able to do this ourselves down the line sometime.

I understand, and thanks for the answer. I also like the direction you are looking in for the future.

If you do decide to test the quality of a POD vendor in the near future, may I recommend APs #1 and #3 as test subjects? I'm happy to offer my services as long-term quality tester of the results if you like. ;)

You could clean up the 6 modules as sugested and put them out 1 at a time like when they first came out... :) That way it wouldnt be such a money crunch :)

Lisa -

Another idea might be to add a button that allows people to effectively preorder a reprint. Once enough people sign up for the reprint, you'll know exactly how many you need to fill the current demand. It would remove alot of the reprint demand risk & uncertainty.

You could also get fancy and add a graduated progress bar with tic-marks from 0-100% to give preorder customers an idea of how far of a reprint might be. You guys could set the number that makes the print run profitable at the listed sell price and give customers some feedback without having to divulge any print run size data.

Since I'm a charter subscriber, i don't really have a dog in this fight, but I thought I would throw that idea out there at you.

-Skeld

+1

I've been looking around trying to find this AP (particurarly Burnt Offerings) for a fair price for quite some time, without luck. I play predominately on Myth-Weavers, and there's been a ton of RotRL games pop up on there, so it's clearly a favorite.

If we had a $100 hardback collection of them updated to PFRPG, I'd buy it as well. W/o cover arts would be fine to cut down costs, as...somebody..mentioned. Can't see where I saw that now. I've been subscribed to Serpent's Skull since it came out, and have loved everything from there. Every product I've seen of Paizo's has been nothing short of stellar, and I'd like to get my hands on their first AP offering. :)

I understand restarting a print run is probably not happening, but I'd go for that too. I just can't afford to pay $80+ for the first book alone.

You can always buy the PDF.

If we had a $100 hardback collection of them updated to PFRPG, I'd buy it as well.

Cover price of these modules was $120 when released, so I wouldn't expect a collected hardback to be cheaper, but, who knows...

W/o cover arts would be fine to cut down costs, as...somebody..mentioned.

I don't think lack of cover art would really save that much money, overall.

and I'd like to get my hands on their first AP offering. :)

I understand restarting a print run is probably not happening, but I'd go for that too. I just can't afford to pay $80+ for the first book alone.

If you look at it from a different perspective (i.e. sharing the price of Burnt Offerings over the whole collection), it's not that horrible to collect the whole set if you don't mind shopping around a bit.

There's copies of Burnt Offerings as little as $68 right now. Perusing Amazon and eBay, one could put together five of the six for under $140 (not including shipping) as many are selling for UNDER cover price. The "missing" copy (as of this moment, #3, Hook Mountain Massacre) shouldn't sell even close to the Burnt Offerings price, so assuming $30-ish, that's $170 for all six, which is a pretty modest premium on the original AP.

Quick-edit: Google shows a seller with a copy of #3 for $50, which is a bit steep, but it's there...

If you look at it from a different perspective (i.e. sharing the price of Burnt Offerings over the whole collection), it's not that horrible to collect the whole set if you don't mind shopping around a bit.

There's copies of Burnt Offerings as little as $68 right now. Perusing Amazon and eBay, one could put together five of the six for under $140 (not including shipping) as many are selling for UNDER cover price. The "missing" copy (as of this moment, #3, Hook Mountain Massacre) shouldn't sell even close to the Burnt Offerings price, so assuming $30-ish, that's $170 for all six, which is a pretty modest premium on the original AP.

Quick-edit: Google shows a seller with a copy of #3 for $50, which is a bit steep, but it's there...

The price jumps steeply if the copies of Burn Offerings are described as 'new' or 'mint, includes pull-out map'.

I'm looking at about £200 to get #1,3,5 second-hand in good condition and shipped to the UK. I think I'm just going to print from my PDF copies and buy a thermal binding machine.

I paid quite a bit for my collection of them, and I probably won't be buying any new ones. I find that updating them to PF is pretty easy.

Esp now with beastiary 2 out, with many of the monsters in there.