The Abomination Vaults Comes to 5E!

Wednesday, June 01, 2022

A Complete Campaign with Dungeons—and Dragons!

I’m Ron Lundeen, the development manager responsible for the Abomination Vaults Adventure Path. At Paizo, we have a lot of confidence in our adventures. We’ve been crafting phenomenal campaigns for many years, and the Pathfinder Second Edition rules have only helped us make more. The Abomination Vaults Adventure Path has been one of our best campaigns, and our fans love it. But a lot more gamers all over the world play the newest edition of the world’s oldest RPG, and we wanted to show them how great Paizo’s Adventure Paths can be, too.

Abomination Vaults Fifth Edition Hard Cover: A bearded sorrowful man stands in the foreground with a demon, a large worm, and a ghostly woman in the background behind him

Cover Illustration by Setiawan Lee


Once we realized what a hit we had in the Abomination Vaults Adventure Path, we started a Pathfinder Second Edition compilation and a 5E conversion at roughly the same time. James Jacobs, Vanessa Hoskins, and Stephen Radney-MacFarland had done phenomenal work creating the three individual Adventure Path volumes. The story, maps, and art were already in place. So while I was compiling the Pathfinder Second Edition version, I brought in David N. Ross, a 5E expert, to convert the entire campaign from its 1st-level beginning all the way to its 11th-level conclusion. This conversion is a rules overhaul from the ground up. We streamlined all the combat encounters, adjusted all the treasure, adjusted all the XP awards, and loaded the book with tons of 5E stat blocks.

This isn’t the first time we’ve adapted one of our adventures to a different game’s rules. It’s not even the first time we’ve adapted one of our campaigns to the 5E rules: that would be the Kingmaker Adventure Path. But while the Kingmaker 5E rules cover an extensive bestiary of monsters and NPCs, the Abomination Vaults Adventure Path gives you a complete 5E campaign in a single book! This hardcover is the only thing you need to run this campaign at your gaming table—from a complete gazetteer of the town of Otari to every one of the ten dungeon levels beneath the eerie Gauntlight lighthouse. There are doors to be kicked down, loot to be plundered, side quests to fulfill, people to help, and even a few dragons to fight.

A large black dragon


One of the things I loved about putting this book together was all the extra art we could include. Pathfinder Second Edition players already know what grothluts, gogiteths, and shulns are. We have those monsters illustrated in our Pathfinder Bestiary. But 5E players don’t know what they are, so I packed in a lot of our art to show them off.

Of course, all these new critters need 5E stats, and the Abomination Vaults Adventure Path provides them. This hardcover is a great 5E resource, even if only as a great big book of new monster and NPC stats. Shulns for everyone!

Iconic fighter Valeros, riding on the back of a giant Shuln

Illustration by João Fiuza


But the key, as always, is the story. Despite the differences in rules, the Abomination Vaults Adventure Path is still the tale of the sleepy coastal town of Otari, the Gauntlight’s dread light, and the spiteful ghost who lurks deep underground. Heroes must explore the dungeon, solve its mysteries, and help the helpless. That’s a story I love telling in any rules system.

Ron Lundeen
Development Manager

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Grand Lodge

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Huzzah!


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Being the forever Pathfinder GM for my group, this 5e conversion may be the first chance I get to actually play in Golarion when our group's 5e DM runs this at the conclusion of our current campaign. Well done Paizo!

Liberty's Edge

I can't seem to find it listed as a product for sale. Same with the Kingmaker 5E. Are these available for sale on Paizo's website?

Grand Lodge

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Link in the blog.

Not finding anything on Kingmaker however.


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And so it begins...

Silver Crusade

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Looking forward to bringing the good new of PF2e to 5e players. Superior adventure writing in a familiar system to pique their curiosity and get them to consider another system--then the superior rule design keeps them hooked!

:)


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TriOmegaZero wrote:

Link in the blog.

Not finding anything on Kingmaker however.

The Kingmaker hardcover has suffered some severe delays, and is not out yet. According to the most recent information provided to backers, it should be releasing in September.


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This is a really cool endeavor. I hope it brings more people over to check out 2e, but in top of that, I hope it brings Paizo a share of that 5e revenue.


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TriOmegaZero wrote:

Link in the blog.

Not finding anything on Kingmaker however.

https://paizo.com/products/btq02d54/

Hopefully the pre-order holds for a bit.

Paizo Employee Marketing & Media Manager

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Our Kingmaker product pages are not yet live. Backers should get products in September with retail availability in October.


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Could we get a 5E subscription? Would love to sign up for 5E content.


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Sellouts.

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Russ LeBar wrote:
Could we get a 5E subscription? Would love to sign up for 5E content.

There's not enough content for that. Maybe if they decide to regularly publish 5E content, but two items are currently not enough.

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TriOmegaZero wrote:
Russ LeBar wrote:
Could we get a 5E subscription? Would love to sign up for 5E content.
There's not enough content for that. Maybe if they decide to regularly publish 5E content, but two items are currently not enough.

Correct. Paizo has not pledged to produce more 5e content.


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I will buy literally anything Paizo puts out if it includes Golarion + 5e. I've already converted Rise of the Runelords and Curse of the Crimson Throne for my own tables, and we're just a few sessions away from the climax of Curse of the Crimson Throne! Then I'm on to converting Shattered Star and then Return of the Runelords.

After all those four, I'm taking a vacation from DMing for a bit (that's totally a lie, I'm already thinking about what to run after Return of the Runelords, and its still a toss up in my mind).

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Inchoroi wrote:

I will buy literally anything Paizo puts out if it includes Golarion + 5e. I've already converted Rise of the Runelords and Curse of the Crimson Throne for my own tables, and we're just a few sessions away from the climax of Curse of the Crimson Throne! Then I'm on to converting Shattered Star and then Return of the Runelords.

After all those four, I'm taking a vacation from DMing for a bit (that's totally a lie, I'm already thinking about what to run after Return of the Runelords, and its still a toss up in my mind).

Thank you for your enthusiasm. What I expect will happen is that Paizo will evaluate how sales of this and the 5e Bestiary goes and then evaluate next steps. Personal testimonies on the forums will be less persuasive than sales data. I think we are more interested in showing 5e players the quality of our adventures as evidence that, when combined with the deep character customization of Pathfinder, you will ultimately have a better experience if you play them natively. We are less interested in creating a parallel product line. But time will tell.


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CrusaderWolf wrote:

Looking forward to bringing the good new of PF2e to 5e players. Superior adventure writing in a familiar system to pique their curiosity and get them to consider another system--then the superior rule design keeps them hooked!

:)

I don't think a lot of 5e players care about rule design!

Shadow Lodge

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Thomas Keller wrote:
I don't think a lot of 5e players care about rule design!

I don’t think that’s appropriate for the forums here.


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Thomas Keller wrote:
I don't think a lot of 5e players care about rule design!

Some people like Cookies and Cream, others like Rocky Road, some hate ice cream all together and eat pie. There's plenty of options for the gamers of the world to eat their dessert of choice.

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Wish you would convert it to Pathfinder 1e instead of 5e.


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TOZ wrote:
Thomas Keller wrote:
I don't think a lot of 5e players care about rule design!
I don’t think that’s appropriate for the forums here.

It's completely appropriate if that's being argued as a reason to convert APs.


Inchoroi wrote:
I will buy literally anything Paizo puts out if it includes Golarion + 5e. I've already converted Rise of the Runelords and Curse of the Crimson Throne for my own tables,...

I'm in the middle of converting RotRL to 5e... in FVTT. It's ... interesting. If "Abomination Vaults" were instead RotRL, 5e or not, I'd get it. If it were RotRL in 5e, I'd get it to port to FVTT. RotRL in 5e FOR FVTT would put me out of work entirely. I'd prefer working my normal day-job anyway. I just want to enjoy the RotRL adventure, and having my players on Vancouver Island, PNW, Pennsylvania, and New Mexico, FVTT is simply a requirement for us.

So... yeah. I'm not sure what the planned program is for "5e + FVTT" development is. I'm excited to *see* Abomination Vaults... one version for 5e, one version for FVTT... but that isn't where I am at the moment.

https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?391603-Rise-of-The-Runelords-(Ro tRL)-Converted-to-D-amp-D-5e-(WIP) is what I have to book 3 of RotRL, so ... I *really* would prefer to keep my day job that actually pays. :(


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I know it's an unpopular opinion on these boards, but I'd love to see this back-converted to PF1. Literally no one I know plays PF2 - everyone either kept playing PF1, switched to 5E, or found some other game to occupy their time. I still have multiple active PF1 games going, and my grognard players have no interest in switching, but I am always looking for good new content. It's in short supply these days without doing a lot of converting. (At least we have the whole Kingmaker AP to do still... someday...)

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It's unpopular and unprofitable.


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TOZ wrote:
It's unpopular and unprofitable.

What is?

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Making books for a system that they haven't made new material for in three years?

Grand Lodge

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And wasn't increasing in sales either three years ago.


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Cori Marie wrote:
Making books for a system that they haven't made new material for in three years?

I don't know about unprofitable, but 1e still seems to be fairly popular.


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Thomas Keller wrote:
Cori Marie wrote:
Making books for a system that they haven't made new material for in three years?
I don't know about unprofitable, but 1e still seems to be fairly popular.

Popular =/= profitable.

AD&D 1e and 2e are still very popular with vibrant communities and lots of players enjoying them. But WotC isn't producing any new content for these editions, because they aren't protifable. Most of the people who play these eds have what they describe as a "lifetime of content" on their shelves and aren't into buying new stuff. The same holds for PF1, the latter PF1 books frequently barely broke even or brought a loss because of oversaturation.

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The Abomination Vaults Adventure Path 5e has been moved to a March 2023 release, but you can preorder it now!

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