I Can Call Spirits From the Vasty Deep!

Got mine in the mail yesterday, and this book is *awesome*. The Elemental Ally Druid is my favorite, too.

And a *huge* thank you for keeping the Unchained Summoner in mind with all the Summoner options.

I am only at page 19 and it blew my mind already... several times actually. This book is indeed AWESOME and brimming with potential for new characters. Very well done.

Why so can I, or so can any man. But will they come when you call for them?

Also there is a typo, it says Master Summoner's Handbook and not Monster Summoner's Handbook.

Hm, illustration #3 is named "succubus." I'm not sure...

Well anyone can do that, the real question is will they answer? Also there is a typo, it says Master Summoner's Handbook and not Monster Summoner's Handbook.

I was actually pretty excited about a "Master Summoner's Handbook". Either is a pretty solid title for this item though.

Hm, illustartion #3 is named "succubus." I'm not sure...

That's correct, and that's how I filled out the art order.

It may well be a succubus - after all, they can shapechange to suit the tastes of others - but my mind is firmly trying to label it as an incubus.

I'm just glad to see some fan service for those who are not into scantily-clad (or unclad) alluring females. :)

It may well be a succubus - after all, they can shapechange to suit the tastes of others - but my mind is firmly trying to label it as an incubus.

If it were an incubus, it'd have "bestial legs," and most likely be carrying a weapon. :)

What's the difference between the caller's feather's two powers?

Was it the intent of the Priestly summons list to leave Bearded Devils at summon monster v for Asmodean priests?

Asking for a friend.

Removed a post. Please do not conflate being trans with not being humanoid.

Zaister wrote:

Hm, illustartion #3 is named "succubus." I'm not sure...

That's correct, and that's how I filled out the art order.

I adored that art, for the record.

I'm just glad to see some fan service for those who are not into scantily-clad (or unclad) alluring females. :)

Indeed! THANK YOU for the male succubus.

What's the difference between the caller's feather's two powers?

Was it the intent of the Priestly summons list to leave Bearded Devils at summon monster v for Asmodean priests?

Those are fair questions.

Maybe ive missed something but is a male succubus not an incubus by default?

Maybe ive missed something but is a male succubus not an incubus by default?

Apparently not! I'm happy to see equal-opportunity use of the succubus stats.

Ross Byers wrote:

What's the difference between the caller's feather's two powers?

Was it the intent of the Priestly summons list to leave Bearded Devils at summon monster v for Asmodean priests?

Those are fair questions.

Danke schön.

Removed a post. Please do not conflate being trans with not being humanoid.

I was not implying any such thing. I think you misunderstood my post. I think it could be entirely possible for creatures that are not humanoid (as a game term!), such as outsiders like a succubus, to be trans. I intendend no disrespect of any mind.

The succubus picture is really well done. Despite being a heterosexual male, my immediate response upon seeing that picture was, "Dang, that is one sexy man."

Long story short, I think I blew my Will save.

Maybe ive missed something but is a male succubus not an incubus by default?

An incubus is a different demon type, with its own entry, bestial legs, a martial tendency, and normally found with a melee weapon.

This is not one of those.

Owen K. C. Stephens wrote:

Ross Byers wrote:

What's the difference between the caller's feather's two powers?

Was it the intent of the Priestly summons list to leave Bearded Devils at summon monster v for Asmodean priests?

Those are fair questions.

Danke schön.

Yes?

Oh... nevermind.

I will add my voice to the succubus art love, though! Finally, something I'd consider getting negative levels for...

I <3 the male succubus. I know I already said it, but I'll say it again. ^_^

Historically speaking, Succubi are female demons, look like women and seduce men in their sleep and dreams. Incubi are their male counterpart, but look quite bestial and abuse women. The differences and similarities between both kind of demons are quite interesting to note.

In PFRPG, the Succubus has a wider range of targets but keeps the seduction aspect, while the Incubus focuses on the bestial, strong, hence martial role. Though they can both shape change at will, the description clearly mention the Succubus as She and the Incubus as He, thereby strengthening the historical view of Succubi as female-only and Incubi as male-only.

But as handsomely shown above, this is not an absolute.

Maybe ive missed something but is a male succubus not an incubus by default?

If you think gender is tricky for the living, just wait until you reach the planes.

(And if you like this guy, keep an eye out for the male dryad character in Pathfinder Origins #5!)

Specifically, succubi are capable of taking any form that pleases their victims. Gender is irrelevant. I've been energy drained by a cheeseburger, true story.

Whether that is a succubus or incubus, I think I'm starting to understand why a mortal would deal with evil outsiders.

Specifically, succubi are capable of taking any form that pleases their victims.

Not according to their rules in the Bestiary. Their shape change ability specifically lets them take only Small and Medium humanoid form. Which is not what that picture is.

PFW1-K1 wrote:

Specifically, succubi are capable of taking any form that pleases their victims.

Not according to their rules in the Bestiary. Their shape change ability specifically lets them take only Small and Medium humanoid form. Which is not what that picture is.

There are other methods beyond the typical succubus ability to change shape that allow them to take different forms—apart from all of the options available to ANYone who has access to the right spell or magic item due to class levels or luck or resource, some succubi are created or transformed into male forms by the Abyss itself, or they seek out rituals to use the Abyss to make that change.

That said... change self allows you to transform into a humanoid form. While the implications are that you must pick a humanoid form that exists in a Bestiary or rulebook... that's a constantly evolving selection, since each time we release a new book with new humanoids, the choices expand. Which implies that there are all sorts of undetailed humanoids out there in the great beyond and multiverse and the like for the knowledgeable succubus to pick her new form from. A GM can, in other words, fudge that rule and have her change into a male form that looks like the one pictured.

None of that matters, though, since the rules exist or get created as needed to support the stories we want to tell... "we" in this case being the publishers of Pathfinder, but that "we" also includes all GMs, who can create house rules to do the same. In some cases, the stories we want to tell sneak out in advance of the rules, such as when we mentioned there are witches in Irrisen several years before we published rules for witches in the Advanced Player's Guide. In this case, one of the stories we wanted to tell was of a male succubus. Which can both exist under the current rules AND can be supported by future rules as needed.

Well then, all power to the male succubus! :)

Now if a monk grapples this succubus...

Any word on if or when the material in this book would become PFS-legal?