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Quen Pah |
![Aldern Foxglove](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/heads2.jpg)
I'd give it a shot, think it'd be fun to play an old clone soldier, let go from the Empire, disenfranchised, short on life and willing to die for one last chance to stick it to the Empire that used him and his brothers up before kicking them to the space curb.
Its not a trandoshan bounty hunter, but he could still get to bounty hunter eventually.
[dice=Stats] 4d6 12
[dice=Stats] 4d6 14
[dice=Stats] 4d6 15
[dice=Stats] 4d6 15
[dice=Stats] 4d6 12
[dice=Stats] 4d6 15Hot damn, those seem pretty decent for stats.
I think that the Clone Wars Saga book has information on clone characters.
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Quen Pah |
![Aldern Foxglove](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/heads2.jpg)
I'm thinking maybe a classic Mandalorian mercenary (Soldier). What species is he? "Who cares? The beskar is my real skin." (ie, I haven't decided.) Alternatively, maybe a combat droid. Or wait, why not both!? A droid in beskar! That might be fun.
4d6 7
4d6 10
4d6 12
4d6 15
4d6 8
4d6 11Eww. I think that's bad enough for a reroll.
4d6 9
4d6 15
4d6 12
4d6 13
4d6 17
4d6 14Thats better.
I think that there was a sourcebook on Driods as well.
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Koral Dray'ith |
![Fire Snakes](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PF20-14.jpg)
Codanous wrote:I think that the Clone Wars Saga book has information on clone characters.I'd give it a shot, think it'd be fun to play an old clone soldier, let go from the Empire, disenfranchised, short on life and willing to die for one last chance to stick it to the Empire that used him and his brothers up before kicking them to the space curb.
Its not a trandoshan bounty hunter, but he could still get to bounty hunter eventually.
[dice=Stats] 4d6 12
[dice=Stats] 4d6 14
[dice=Stats] 4d6 15
[dice=Stats] 4d6 15
[dice=Stats] 4d6 12
[dice=Stats] 4d6 15Hot damn, those seem pretty decent for stats.
I just threw this guy together real quick, based the character sheet of one of your party memberse. Its a level 4 Human(Clone) Soldier, I havent done any of the spending yet, wasn't sure what you wanted us to use for wealth for a level 4 character.
I just used the base human stats, I looked in the Clone Wars book and it didn't have a specific Clone Species option.
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Imaginary Crayons |
![Arcanaton](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/Arcanaton_detail.jpg)
So far we haven't done a lot of slicing in the middle of combat. If you want to play a combat slicer, multiclass as a scoundrel/soldier; this gives you access to slicing talents (from the scoundrel class) but a slightly improved attack bonus (from the soldier class). Which one is your first level/starting class determines whether you have more skills (scoundrel) or more weapon and armor proficiencies (soldier).
Most of our slicing to date has just been making Use Computer checks to find information.
That works as a place to start. Though now it's probably going to be as a Duros.
Stats: 4d6 ⇒ (4, 5, 6, 5) = 20 16
Stats: 4d6 ⇒ (6, 3, 1, 2) = 12 11
Stats: 4d6 ⇒ (1, 3, 3, 3) = 10 9
Stats: 4d6 ⇒ (5, 6, 4, 2) = 17 15
Stats: 4d6 ⇒ (2, 6, 2, 3) = 13 11
Stats: 4d6 ⇒ (3, 3, 4, 5) = 15 12
Hmmm. Is that bad enough for a reroll? LOL
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Quen Pah |
![Aldern Foxglove](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/heads2.jpg)
Quen Pah wrote:Codanous wrote:I think that the Clone Wars Saga book has information on clone characters.I'd give it a shot, think it'd be fun to play an old clone soldier, let go from the Empire, disenfranchised, short on life and willing to die for one last chance to stick it to the Empire that used him and his brothers up before kicking them to the space curb.
Its not a trandoshan bounty hunter, but he could still get to bounty hunter eventually.
[dice=Stats] 4d6 12
[dice=Stats] 4d6 14
[dice=Stats] 4d6 15
[dice=Stats] 4d6 15
[dice=Stats] 4d6 12
[dice=Stats] 4d6 15Hot damn, those seem pretty decent for stats.
I just threw this guy together real quick, based the character sheet of one of your party memberse. Its a level 4 Human(Clone) Soldier, I havent done any of the spending yet, wasn't sure what you wanted us to use for wealth for a level 4 character.
I just used the base human stats, I looked in the Clone Wars book and it didn't have a specific Clone Species option.
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Quen Pah |
![Aldern Foxglove](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/heads2.jpg)
Ardan Kwinn wrote:So far we haven't done a lot of slicing in the middle of combat. If you want to play a combat slicer, multiclass as a scoundrel/soldier; this gives you access to slicing talents (from the scoundrel class) but a slightly improved attack bonus (from the soldier class). Which one is your first level/starting class determines whether you have more skills (scoundrel) or more weapon and armor proficiencies (soldier).
Most of our slicing to date has just been making Use Computer checks to find information.
That works as a place to start. Though now it's probably going to be as a Duros.
[dice=Stats]4d6 16
[dice=Stats]4d6 11
[dice=Stats]4d6 9
[dice=Stats]4d6 15
[dice=Stats]4d6 11
[dice=Stats]4d6 12Hmmm. Is that bad enough for a reroll? LOL
That is up to you.
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Quen Pah |
![Aldern Foxglove](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/heads2.jpg)
Ah yeah, looks like they just use the same "Stats" and bonuses as a Human, critical difference of course is Age. My guy would be nearing Old age as like a 28 or 29 year old Clone I guess.
It has been like 5 years since the end of the Clone Wars and the establishment of the Empire. I am not sure how old clones are at the time.
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Imaginary Crayons |
![Arcanaton](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/Arcanaton_detail.jpg)
Considering he'll be traveling with Jedi, and likely to encounter nasty baddies, I think I should try a reroll.
Stats: 4d6 ⇒ (5, 5, 4, 5) = 19 15
Stats: 4d6 ⇒ (5, 2, 6, 3) = 16 14
Stats: 4d6 ⇒ (3, 2, 5, 5) = 15 13
Stats: 4d6 ⇒ (1, 3, 4, 3) = 11 10
Stats: 4d6 ⇒ (6, 6, 4, 2) = 18 16
Stats: 4d6 ⇒ (6, 1, 1, 4) = 12 11
Ok, not game breaking, and I'm much happier with those.
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Ardan Kwinn |
![Eagle Knight of Andoran](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO9435-EagleKnight_500.jpeg)
Ardan's level up:
Level 5—Noble 5
+5 hit points
+1 to all defenses
+25,000 cr from Wealth talent
New Talent: Illusion
And that's it!
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Quen Pah |
![Aldern Foxglove](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/heads2.jpg)
To the best of my knowledge, Star Wars Saga does not have an equivalent of "wealth by level." You start with what you start with, and everything else is scavenged or requisitioned along the way. Our group in particular is all using Ardan's Wealth trait anyhow. :)
I think you are correct
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Ouachitonian |
![Tiger](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO1129-Tiger_500.jpeg)
I think that there was a sourcebook on Driods as well.
I have it. One thing I’m noticing is that droids are assumed to have integral playing for armor instead of wearing armor. Kind of a “duh!” Point, but does make my “droid wearing mandalorian armor” idea a little harder to work out. Also there are a surprising number of droids, especially Battle droids, that can’t be played as droid heroes (No OOM droid? No BX-series commando droid? Weird.). But still a workable concept.
In regards to wealth, how do you want us to do that? Is there a target number we should shoot for? More of a “don’t go crazy, but if it makes sense for you character it’s ok” approach?
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Ardan Kwinn |
![Eagle Knight of Andoran](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO9435-EagleKnight_500.jpeg)
Quen Pah wrote:I think that there was a sourcebook on Driods as well.
I have it. One thing I’m noticing is that droids are assumed to have integral playing for armor instead of wearing armor. Kind of a “duh!” Point, but does make my “droid wearing mandalorian armor” idea a little harder to work out. Also there are a surprising number of droids, especially Battle droids, that can’t be played as droid heroes (No OOM droid? No BX-series commando droid? Weird.). But still a workable concept.
In regards to wealth, how do you want us to do that? Is there a target number we should shoot for? More of a “don’t go crazy, but if it makes sense for you character it’s ok” approach?
If you want more stuff, when you're assigned to our team, Ardan will get it for you. (I built this character specifically to be able to get gear for the team.)
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Ouachitonian |
![Tiger](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO1129-Tiger_500.jpeg)
Ouachitonian wrote:Quen Pah wrote:I think that there was a sourcebook on Driods as well.
I have it. One thing I’m noticing is that droids are assumed to have integral playing for armor instead of wearing armor. Kind of a “duh!” Point, but does make my “droid wearing mandalorian armor” idea a little harder to work out. Also there are a surprising number of droids, especially Battle droids, that can’t be played as droid heroes (No OOM droid? No BX-series commando droid? Weird.). But still a workable concept.
In regards to wealth, how do you want us to do that? Is there a target number we should shoot for? More of a “don’t go crazy, but if it makes sense for you character it’s ok” approach?
If you want more stuff, when you're assigned to our team, Ardan will get it for you. (I built this character specifically to be able to get gear for the team.)
Feels weird for a level 5 mercenary type to have the same starting wealth as a level 1 character, but I suppose that's just how it goes in a system with no WBL.
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Ouachitonian |
![Tiger](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO1129-Tiger_500.jpeg)
Starting credits roll
3d4 ⇒ (3, 2, 3) = 8x250=2,000
Not bad at all. Not enough to be able to afford even Light Beskar'gam, even if the GM was kind enough to give me the discount it mentions for Mandalorian characters (gosh that stuff is crazy expensive), but I can start out in cheap replica plate like Boba Fett wears (or Din Djarin at the beginning of The Mandalorian) and buy the real thing later.
But geez, looking through the armor now, all of it is crazy expensive. Going to spend more on that than anything. Basic quadanium droid plating it is, I guess.
Starting HP roll
4d10 ⇒ (10, 10, 9, 2) = 31
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Quen Pah |
![Aldern Foxglove](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/heads2.jpg)
That is what I thought, never really played that type of a Star Wars character.
I do not know much about the Mandalorians outside of the tv show and the books that I read about Boba. Do they just give out their armor or sell it to people who nave not proven themselves in the way that a jedi padawan has to create their lightsabers and perform a trial in order to become a knight.
I am not sure if give is the right answer, but I doubt that the little foundlings or the apprentices on the Mandalorian are running around with the beskar armor?
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Ardan Kwinn |
![Eagle Knight of Andoran](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO9435-EagleKnight_500.jpeg)
With the acknowledgement that there is a lot of Star Wars material and a lot of "canonicity" is in limbo...
Basically Mandalorians are a culture, not a species. Anyone can be adopted and become a Mandalorian. There are sharp divides between different subgroups or identities of Mandalorians, who have different ideas about what it means to be a Mandalorian. For part of their (Legends) history, many of them were even pacifists!
As seen in the TV show, there are factions of Mandalorians who are pragmatic and treat their armor and their culture as a sort of passive identity, like wearing a t-shirt and waving a flag of your sports team; and there are those who consider it a way of life akin to a religion, one that imposes serious obligations upon its members.
Mandalorian-style armor is not that hard to find, though "real" Mandalorians tend to be a bit annoyed when outsiders wear their style. Beskar is much harder to get. It's rare, it's expensive, it's hard to work, it's made for fighting Jedi, and it's considered a cultural symbol among the Mandalorians. Wearing Beskar means you are either saying "I am a serious Mandalorian" or "I expect to be challenged to a succession of fights by serious Mandalorians."
A good compromise is to have a Mandalorian recruit receive a small piece of Beskar and work to earn the rest, much like a Pathfinder character might have to work to earn their magical full plate armor. In the meantime they can wear Mandalorian non-Beskar armor and, with various Soldier talents, be a good heavy armor fighter.
There's not a lot about droids becoming Mandalorians, though. Some Mandalorians are vigorously anti-droid, especially after the Empire used war droids against them. There's also the question of whether a droid can really accept and agree to the commitments of becoming a Mandalorian. It implies that there is some kind of very unusual backstory to the character.
Personally I tend to think of "droid" and "Mandalorian" as separate identities that each have enough going on in Star Wars that you don't need both to make a character feel distinct. Either one could wind up helping the Jedi, either as a droid that was programmed to work with Jedi, or a Mandalorian who wound up on a Jedi payroll at some point or had a personal connection with a Jedi and thus a reason to help a friend.
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Ardan Kwinn |
![Eagle Knight of Andoran](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO9435-EagleKnight_500.jpeg)
Not a lot. The impression I get is that you are supposed to requisition specific supplies from the nascent Rebellion, so you say "We really need some grenades" and then make some kind of roll to see if they get issued to you for the mission. But, since Ardan has just been buying stuff that the team needs, it hasn't come up a lot, I think?
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Ouachitonian |
![Tiger](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO1129-Tiger_500.jpeg)
Lift, there's actually a specific Republic Clone species entry in the Clone Wars Campaign Guide. It's slightly better than the baseline human.
GM, how about a Codru-Ji? It's a race I've always liked, but I'd actually forgotten were in one of the books until I stumbled across it on the website. They are generally sort of xenophobic isolationists, but Mandolorians tend to adopt a lot of war orphans, so it would make sense for him to have been raised by Mandos away from his own kind.
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Ouachitonian |
![Tiger](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO1129-Tiger_500.jpeg)
Like I said, I was figuring that he could've been taken in by mandolorians as a child/teen, perhaps after they raided his homeworld, or maybe his family was off world for commercial or diplomatic reasons when wherever they were got attacked, maybe the mandalorians were even his family's hired guards and, failing to protect his parents, decided to raise him as their own. Xenophobic certainly doesn't mean no contact with the outside world, either; the Essential Guide to Alien Species, an old EU book that features them, was compiled in-universe by Mammon Hoole, an anthropologist who was active during the very period this game is set. The book's entry on them features a vignette of Hoole having dinner with the governor. It's less that they hate outsiders and more that their world is way out of the way and doesn't have a lot of exports, so few people go there and they're fine with that.
The wookiepedia entry on Codru-Ji references at least three books they appear or are referenced in that are set in or before the Clone Wars, and another set in the Dark Times, so they were clearly at least known to the galaxy at large during the time we're operating, if not often encountered.
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Quen Pah |
![Aldern Foxglove](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/heads2.jpg)
Ardan Kwinn wrote:Gives 'em free Dual Weapon I.I can also hold stuff in 4 hands. Can't, like, fire four pistols at once. But I could hold a two-handed gun, a vibroblade (in case someone tries to get in close), and a burger, or something. Or high-five four people at once.
Working on the build now.
LOL