[Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands (Inactive)

Game Master djpika

Looking at some posts, I hope he's ok:

"I've been very very sick.flu that turned to Pneumonia. Trying to get out of the can't function zone" was posted from his GM toon back at the end of Dec.

Oof. Yeah, that'd put anyone out of commission for a while. Never had pneumonia, but bronchitis was bad enough. I had a consistent mild cough for about 2-3 years after that.

I'll have my own post up later, had some computer troubles yesterday.

That certainly causes troubles.
More so in these times.

I'm fine with not replacing, we have a few of us, and hopefully Andru's alright down the line.

That certainly causes troubles.

More so in these times.

I'm fine with not replacing, we have a few of us, and hopefully Andru's alright down the line.

Agreed

I forgot to roll for some of the items tos ee if i get the improved version~ very unlikely but might as well try

DC 25 to make it stronger elixir.
Craft Alchemy: 1d20 + 8 ⇒ (6) + 8 = 14
Craft Alchemy: 1d20 + 8 ⇒ (6) + 8 = 14

huh. thats sure a set of rolls. base elixir only

Scholar Zupon wrote:

That certainly causes troubles.

More so in these times.

I'm fine with not replacing, we have a few of us, and hopefully Andru's alright down the line.

Agreed

Sounds fine by me then; hopefully, Andru will get better soon.

@Nathan: The secret to low level caster gameplay is that you shouldn't be using a spell every round; or even every combat. It's also a decent rule that blasting spells really aren't worth it at low levels.

Your energy ray does the same average damage as a Light Crossbow bolt (less than a Heavy Crossbow), and those aren't nearly as limited. I wouldn't sweat it too much that you're out of PP.

If you wanted pewpew blasts to be your primary method of attack even at low levels, for Psionics a Wilder might have been a better choice, since they can shoot at-will.

@Nathan: The secret to low level caster gameplay is that you shouldn't be using a spell every round; or even every combat. It's also a decent rule that blasting spells really aren't worth it at low levels.

Your energy ray does the same average damage as a Light Crossbow bolt (less than a Heavy Crossbow), and those aren't nearly as limited. I wouldn't sweat it too much that you're out of PP.

If you wanted pewpew blasts to be your primary method of attack even at low levels, for Psionics a Wilder might have been a better choice, since they can shoot at-will.

Super helpful, thank you.

Nathan "Cable" Grey wrote:

Scholar Zupon wrote:

That certainly causes troubles.

More so in these times.

I'm fine with not replacing, we have a few of us, and hopefully Andru's alright down the line.

Agreed

Sounds fine by me then; hopefully, Andru will get better soon.

It looks like some of his games are starting to have concerns as well.

Sadly, I don't know if there's a way to definitively find out, but it's not looking good.

Storm Dragon wrote:

@Nathan: The secret to low level caster gameplay is that you shouldn't be using a spell every round; or even every combat. It's also a decent rule that blasting spells really aren't worth it at low levels.

Your energy ray does the same average damage as a Light Crossbow bolt (less than a Heavy Crossbow), and those aren't nearly as limited. I wouldn't sweat it too much that you're out of PP.

If you wanted pewpew blasts to be your primary method of attack even at low levels, for Psionics a Wilder might have been a better choice, since they can shoot at-will.

Super helpful, thank you.

I will petition GM for a do-over after I take a better look.
I love Wilders too, LOL I think I originally submitted as a Wilder.

If you want to re-spec as a wilder, feel free and you can toggle the next time you rest.

Low level caster play is definitely a lot of non-casting. AD&D casters had 1d4 HP and a single spell... so it has gotten better though. Lean on your ranged weapon and/or get creative with alternative actions such as aid another, using the environment, etc.

Nathan "Cable" Grey wrote:

Storm Dragon wrote:

@Nathan: The secret to low level caster gameplay is that you shouldn't be using a spell every round; or even every combat. It's also a decent rule that blasting spells really aren't worth it at low levels.

Your energy ray does the same average damage as a Light Crossbow bolt (less than a Heavy Crossbow), and those aren't nearly as limited. I wouldn't sweat it too much that you're out of PP.

If you wanted pewpew blasts to be your primary method of attack even at low levels, for Psionics a Wilder might have been a better choice, since they can shoot at-will.

Super helpful, thank you.

I will petition GM for a do-over after I take a better look.
I love Wilders too, LOL I think I originally submitted as a Wilder.

If you want to re-spec as a wilder, feel free and you can toggle the next time you rest.

Low level caster play is definitely a lot of non-casting. AD&D casters had 1d4 HP and a single spell... so it has gotten better though. Lean on your ranged weapon and/or get creative with alternative actions such as aid another, using the environment, etc.

SD & I messaged a little bit, and I will work something up.

In principle, I really just wanted the character to be telekinestic, but it's interesting that Cable was always carrying a huge rifle.

Yep. Since Cable cant use his TP/TK powers without physically hurting himself. He's using his "universe changing powers" to hold back his nano virus. Its supose to be unstopable but he's frozen it using his powers 24/7 on it. So he rarely uses his powers outside of emergencies due to his worry of the nanites getting out of hand.
So he's got big guns. and some are powered with his TK too though.

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It looks like some of his games are starting to have concerns as well.

Sadly, I don't know if there's a way to definitively find out, but it's not looking good.

Well I know when I had covid 14 months ago I was out for about 1.5months. My mom was in the hospital for about 3 months.

For now I'd say keep the spot open, we have quite a number of players as it is, so we can afford it I feel like.

DM rel20 wrote:

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It looks like some of his games are starting to have concerns as well.

Sadly, I don't know if there's a way to definitively find out, but it's not looking good.

Well I know when I had covid 14 months ago I was out for about 1.5months. My mom was in the hospital for about 3 months.
So if it was that, it might be that way. Although my coworker in another division died from it recently as well.

For now I'd say keep the spot open, we have quite a number of players as it is, so we can afford it I feel like.

I am glad you & the family made it through; the first person I dated here in Mexico City did not. Was really hard. 3 months in the hospital is no joke tho, wow.

Yep. Since Cable cant use his TP/TK powers without physically hurting himself. He's using his "universe changing powers" to hold back his nano virus. Its supose to be unstopable but he's frozen it using his powers 24/7 on it. So he rarely uses his powers outside of emergencies due to his worry of the nanites getting out of hand.

So he's got big guns. and some are powered with his TK too though.

He also wasn't always a TK, or the son of Jean Grey from the future. He was just some ludicrously overmuscled dude with a bunch of guns that Rob Liefeld made for Image comics, same as Deadpool.

He also wasn't always a TK, or the son of Jean Grey from the future. He was just some ludicrously overmuscled dude with a bunch of guns that Rob Liefeld made for Image comics, same as Deadpool.

Certainly so. although I don't remember much use of his powers back then. I think he still had the virus from strife?

Sweet level up incoming. That'll be great. zupon will get several tools that'll improve his offensive side.

I'll have to figure out what I'm doing. Maybe I'll finally be able to do Warleader stuff lol.

and Nate will be MUCH more "pewpew" thankfully

Sweet level up incoming. That'll be great. zupon will get several tools that'll improve his offensive side.

Leveling a floor of the watchtower is defensive?

On a side note as we wait for Chigao, I plan on having everyone level up after this floor/1st rest, so everyone can use the time to do some planning. Party drops/additions are kind of messy, so I'm treating this as a milestone advancement which will make xp tracking easier moving forward.

Sounds pretty good to me to go with the milestoning stuff. :)

May stick with further advancement in the current Kunoichi/Ninja class; should I go with the Ki stat being based off the Wis or the Cha Stat [like Paizo's actual Ninja class]?

The Kunoichi class doesn't specifically define the Kunoichi Ki Stat as being Cha based though and the Play Manga D20 ruleset does seem to label all the Ki power-set being based off of the Wis stat.

@Zupon: It didn't actually eat your post, it's just that sometimes it doesn't show the post when you refresh. If you look at the bottom right corner where it says "recent threads" in whatever section you're posting in it will show that the post went through, it's just that everyone but you can see it.

This time I even went to my own posts and checked my latestes posts and it did not show. In recent threads it also did not show. In my mobile which isn't logged into paizo it didn't show.

Only showed up after the second posting. but then woudlnt' let me delete so I just gave up on it.

Which is one of the reasons PbP on Discord is like a thousand times easier. Never have platform issues. Never have editing issues. Never unable to delete stuff in your own game. Browser refresh issues? Really?

INSANITY

I hate PbP via Discord TBH. Just has a terrible flow.

I hate PbP via Discord TBH. Just has a terrible flow.

LOL that's a GM/Player thing 100%

But I'm sorry to read it.

It's a matter of the format. Too easy for everything to get jumbled. It's like plying over AIM, and forums evolved in part to be a superior alternative to that lol.

I hate dice rolling and dislike discord formatting myself.
I do like having it to supplement pbp out of forum discussions. Etc. Allows for more interplayer chat. But dislike the actual game on it.

Except for their server stability i like how easy paizobcross reference is. And the format options.

It's a matter of the format. Too easy for everything to get jumbled. It's like plying over AIM, and forums evolved in part to be a superior alternative to that lol.

Maybe I was just lucky to get into a game that showed me a good format, and then I refined for my own campaigns. I do admit that learning a new syntax took some work, but I also have the whole thing much much more organized. Every player has a chanel, I am never searching for their data. Die rolls are separated, we have a bunch of guidelines on posting ... lol and I am never dealing with Paizo's wonky tech issues.

I so also see that it could suck if not organized though.
I guess the limits here become an inherent benefit with that.

I dislike Discord for it being another privacy sucking, screw end user rights piece of software. That and the overall format is obnoxious. I wasn't too impressed with the play by discord games, and I hate having to micro manage my notices for the channels I'm in or be spammed into oblivion.

I have had to use it a lot to play GTFO and for voice options for Roll20; it beats out the native applications for voice.

DM rel20 wrote:

On a side note as we wait for Chigao, I plan on having everyone level up after this floor/1st rest, so everyone can use the time to do some planning. Party drops/additions are kind of messy, so I'm treating this as a milestone advancement which will make xp tracking easier moving forward.

Sounds pretty good to me to go with the milestoning stuff. :)

May stick with further advancement in the current Kunoichi/Ninja class; should I go with the Ki stat being based off the Wis or the Cha Stat [like Paizo's actual Ninja class]?

The Kunoichi class doesn't specifically define the Kunoichi Ki Stat as being Cha based though and the Play Manga D20 ruleset does seem to label all the Ki power-set being based off of the Wis stat.

In this case I think either is fine. Sure, it can be used to reduce MAD stats, but in your case it's only a +1 difference, so it's not truly being used to min/max to the point of abuse.

Wouldnt Zupon's medical aid reduce it to only one failed save? He rolled a 10 on his second save, and Zupon would boost it to a 14. If the DC is only 11, that passes.

I have had to use it a lot to play GTFO and for voice options for Roll20; it beats out the native applications for voice.

I sure want to try GTFO sometime. wonder if my PC can do it.. but sure looks fun

DM rel20 wrote:

I have had to use it a lot to play GTFO and for voice options for Roll20; it beats out the native applications for voice.

I sure want to try GTFO sometime. wonder if my PC can do it.. but sure looks fun

It's a great game if you like co-op stealth games that can be souls-like in difficulty. Nothing like investing 2 hours to clear a stage only to blow it with a bad pull and have to start over. I like the use of the console in-game, emulating command line for pulling up things like re-establishing connections. It adds to the immersion.

Wouldnt Zupon's medical aid reduce it to only one failed save? He rolled a 10 on his second save, and Zupon would boost it to a 14. If the DC is only 11, that passes.

Yes, that is true. Just take the first 2 damage rolls then...

This time I even went to my own posts and checked my latestes posts and it did not show. In recent threads it also did not show. In my mobile which isn't logged into paizo it didn't show.

Only showed up after the second posting. but then woudlnt' let me delete so I just gave up on it.

Yeah, I have noticed lately in the past few weeks, that the Paizo message boards would not have the most recent postings showing up until after a few minutes [or so] has passed. Minor Edit: Seems to be a lot more better today though- mebbe some of the more recent windows/browser updates has helped things along somewhat.

In this case I think either is fine. Sure, it can be used to reduce MAD stats, but in your case it's only a +1 difference, so it's not truly being used to min/max to the point of abuse.

Sounds good to me; probably will pick one of those attribute scores when the time comes then. :)

It's a great game if you like co-op stealth games that can be souls-like in difficulty. Nothing like investing 2 hours to clear a stage only to blow it with a bad pull and have to start over. I like the use of the console in-game, emulating command line for pulling up things like re-establishing connections. It adds to the immersion.

I'd probably love that. Much like I liked Back 4 Blood. But as with that, the lack of coop folks I know deny my playing it much. PLaying with Randoms tends to be either awesome or utterly horrible depending on their attitude type.

Does GTFO have controller options? I don't really play with keyboard and mouse much due to my main job being so heavily used.

There are settings for a game pad, although I haven't tried them. Mouse and keyboard are my preferred input for FPS. You just can't get the sensitivity control from a joystick.

Couldn't really add much to the discussion about Discord since I've never used it at all... but it is the first time that I've heard of it being compared to AOL's AIM which I have used in the distant past- way back in the day; always thought Discord was something more like a Twitch channel before this conversation was made. ;)

I loved AIM haha. way back when.

also first ever charcter who does not carry kunai nor a crowbaw. I thought my kit came iwth one but it apparently did not!

Pathfinder's Kit 12gp 22lbs This kit consists of a backpack, a bedroll, a belt pouch, a clay mugUE, a dagger, two fishhooks, a flint and steel, a sewing needle, a signal whistle, 50 feet of stringAPG, 50 feet of thread, a week’s worth of trail rations, a waterskin, and a whetstone. For Small creatures, the weight of a Pathfinder’s kit is 7–1/2 pounds. Leaving the bedroll and rations at camp or on a mount reduces the weight by 12 pounds for Medium creatures and by 3 pounds for Small creatures.

I do have an everburning torch and pitons. if we really wanted to. hammering pitons in would likely work out
also cherry bombs and bottled lightning which together would likely work. Would be out of aoe's till i make more (takes 15min or 30 if both).

I loved AIM haha. way back when.

also first ever charcter who does not carry kunai nor a crowbaw. I thought my kit came iwth one but it apparently did not!

Pathfinder's Kit 12gp 22lbs This kit consists of a backpack, a bedroll, a belt pouch, a clay mugUE, a dagger, two fishhooks, a flint and steel, a sewing needle, a signal whistle, 50 feet of stringAPG, 50 feet of thread, a week’s worth of trail rations, a waterskin, and a whetstone. For Small creatures, the weight of a Pathfinder’s kit is 7–1/2 pounds. Leaving the bedroll and rations at camp or on a mount reduces the weight by 12 pounds for Medium creatures and by 3 pounds for Small creatures.

I do have an everburning torch and pitons. if we really wanted to. hammering pitons in would likely work out
also cherry bombs and bottled lightning which together would likely work. Would be out of aoe's till i make more (takes 15min or 30 if both).

Apologies for the belated postings over on my end- been busy with RL stuff and all.

Still having the delayed posting bit on the message board although it's really only noticeable with each initial new posting.

One way to tell if your post does go through [but is on 'delay' mode], is to check on the recent threads part directly below the posting area/box; the updated thread will show with your username listed in the relevant thread that you've posted in. :)

PS. prolly takes a few minutes to be visible for regular viewing; subsequent editing of the previous posting goes much faster too. Might be some kinda new-fangled, anti-babaji device for all we know. ;p

also first ever charcter who does not carry kunai nor a crowbaw. I thought my kit came iwth one but it apparently did not!

Pathfinder's Kit 12gp 22lbs This kit consists of a backpack, a bedroll, a belt pouch, a clay mugUE, a dagger, two fishhooks, a flint and steel, a sewing needle, a signal whistle, 50 feet of stringAPG, 50 feet of thread, a week’s worth of trail rations, a waterskin, and a whetstone. For Small creatures, the weight of a Pathfinder’s kit is 7–1/2 pounds. Leaving the bedroll and rations at camp or on a mount reduces the weight by 12 pounds for Medium creatures and by 3 pounds for Small creatures.

I do have an everburning torch and pitons. if we really wanted to. hammering pitons in would likely work out also cherry bombs and bottled lightning which together would likely work. Would be out of aoe's till i make more (takes 15min or 30 if both).

Sounds like it would work to open the chain, Zupon. I also know what you mean about the inflexibility [but more cheaper savings] of the various kits; ended up choosing Chigao's kit trait as a last minute time-saving device myself. ;)

I want to see the results of the torch toss before I take my own action, if possible. It's the kind of thing that could wildly change how the current combat is laid out.

Fair enough - I just updated the main thread with the results.

burn baby burn~
absolutely cannot leave that behind though. Expensive; also a combat weapon

Had not rolled previously for this; forgot when we woke up this morning.
craft alch: 1d20 + 8 ⇒ (9) + 8 = 17 if it gets to dc 25 they're stronger. if not they're basic.

They are basic.

Unless I'm missing something, there is never any reason to target a square with your Cherry Bomb. If it has a knockdown/Trip effect those usually trigger on strike, not on splash (eg. Force Bombs from Alchemist). If not, it's not going to knock the thing off the ceiling anyway, so you're just deliberately reducing your damage to 1 for no benefit.

Mechanically nope. But Zupon is over thinking it. Zupon was aiming more at the actual area and webs still trying ot knock it down.
Also. if I miss, it could go quite bad for us given the height of the celing, the range increment and such.

Zupon did what he did. and until he gains more experience he'll do things like fire a lightin bottle at a chain. or blow up the webs.

Cinematically it's fine. It makes more sense if they were still on the ceiling, but trying to cause a cave-in (theoretically) could work. Unfortunately the bombs don't do enough to break up the stone ceiling, though.

At this point I'm going to suggest that the party rests so that we can apply level ups....