paizo.com Recent Discussion Posts for [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlandspaizo.com Recent Discussion Posts for [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands2023-04-12T04:16:27Z2023-04-12T04:16:27ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionDM rel20 (alias of djpika)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6372023-04-09T06:59:34Z2023-04-02T21:35:48Z<p>I'll mark this inactive in a week in case any last minute discussions pop up.</p>I'll mark this inactive in a week in case any last minute discussions pop up.DM rel20 (alias of djpika)2023-04-02T21:35:48ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionXephkiel (alias of TheWaskally)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6362023-04-09T06:59:32Z2023-04-01T22:50:03Z<p>Should have known a Dragon would possess such eldritch knowledge of the forums!</p>Should have known a Dragon would possess such eldritch knowledge of the forums!Xephkiel (alias of TheWaskally)2023-04-01T22:50:03ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionZwordsmanhttps://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6352023-04-09T06:59:27Z2023-04-01T22:36:20Z<p>That is dark sorcerery
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and i'm now an initiate to clean my other campaigns with magic vanishin player/dms</p>That is dark sorcerery
and i'm now an initiate to clean my other campaigns with magic vanishin player/dmsZwordsman2023-04-01T22:36:20ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionStorm Dragonhttps://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6342023-04-09T06:59:25Z2023-04-01T18:05:59Z<p>Turns out if you spend 11 years hanging out in the same place, you pick up a few tricks. =p</p>Turns out if you spend 11 years hanging out in the same place, you pick up a few tricks. =pStorm Dragon2023-04-01T18:05:59ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionXephkiel (alias of TheWaskally)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6332023-04-09T06:59:22Z2023-04-01T18:01:18Z<p>Storm Dragon, you are a Genius God!!!</p>Storm Dragon, you are a Genius God!!!Xephkiel (alias of TheWaskally)2023-04-01T18:01:18ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionNathan "Cable" Grey (alias of Evindyl)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6322023-04-09T06:59:18Z2023-04-01T17:31:34Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Storm Dragon wrote:</div><blockquote> You can also go to the <a href="https://paizo.com/community/forums/campaigns/playByPost" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">main PBP page</a>, hit "Focus", find this thread, and hit the little O with a slash through it to hide the campaign manually. </blockquote><p>and this is for real like some kind of dark sorcery ...Storm Dragon wrote:You can also go to the main PBP page, hit "Focus", find this thread, and hit the little O with a slash through it to hide the campaign manually.
and this is for real like some kind of dark sorcery ...Nathan "Cable" Grey (alias of Evindyl)2023-04-01T17:31:34ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionStorm Dragonhttps://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6312023-04-09T06:59:14Z2023-04-01T17:11:13Z<p>You can also go to the <a href="https://paizo.com/community/forums/campaigns/playByPost" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">main PBP page</a>, hit "Focus", find this thread, and hit the little O with a slash through it to hide the campaign manually.</p>You can also go to the main PBP page, hit "Focus", find this thread, and hit the little O with a slash through it to hide the campaign manually.Storm Dragon2023-04-01T17:11:13ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionNathan "Cable" Grey (alias of Evindyl)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6302023-04-09T06:59:10Z2023-04-01T16:53:43Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Scholar Zupon wrote:</div><blockquote> Ultimately several old ones. But this one eventually </blockquote><p>When DJPIKA marks the campaign 'inactive' it will move down to Previous Campaigns and not take up space in our main view; once a campaign is down there, a 'hide' link appears next to it so that it doesn't need to be displayed anymore (there is also a Show Hidden link so that we can see them again on a one-off basis)Scholar Zupon wrote:Ultimately several old ones. But this one eventually
When DJPIKA marks the campaign 'inactive' it will move down to Previous Campaigns and not take up space in our main view; once a campaign is down there, a 'hide' link appears next to it so that it doesn't need to be displayed anymore (there is also a Show Hidden link so that we can see them again on a one-off basis)Nathan "Cable" Grey (alias of Evindyl)2023-04-01T16:53:43ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionScholar Zupon (alias of Zwordsman)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6292023-04-09T06:59:08Z2023-04-01T16:12:48Z<p>Ultimately several old ones. But this one eventually</p>Ultimately several old ones. But this one eventuallyScholar Zupon (alias of Zwordsman)2023-04-01T16:12:48ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionNathan "Cable" Grey (alias of Evindyl)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6282023-04-09T06:59:06Z2023-04-01T08:45:23Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Scholar Zupon wrote:</div><blockquote> As a ssidenote. Does anyone know how to "hide" an old campaign? </blockquote><p>This one, or another one?Scholar Zupon wrote:As a ssidenote. Does anyone know how to "hide" an old campaign?
This one, or another one?Nathan "Cable" Grey (alias of Evindyl)2023-04-01T08:45:23ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionScholar Zupon (alias of Zwordsman)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6272023-04-09T06:59:04Z2023-04-01T04:02:54Z<p>As a ssidenote. Does anyone know how to "hide" an old campaign?</p>As a ssidenote. Does anyone know how to "hide" an old campaign?Scholar Zupon (alias of Zwordsman)2023-04-01T04:02:54ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionStorm Dragonhttps://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6262023-04-09T06:59:02Z2023-03-31T22:42:51Z<p>Formulae can heal pretty much any condition quite efficiently, though. Ability damage, negative levels, death, etc.</p>Formulae can heal pretty much any condition quite efficiently, though. Ability damage, negative levels, death, etc.Storm Dragon2023-03-31T22:42:51ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionScholar Zupon (alias of Zwordsman)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6252023-04-09T06:58:58Z2023-03-31T21:56:16Z<p>Actually the Scholar's healer ability has very little interaction with almost all of the Heal Skill feats (other than the ones that help the roll directly). Off hand, almost all the ones I can think of specifically improve the Treat Wounds action of Heal skill. The scholar abilty does not do Treat Wounds.
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Nothing but pure skill point rolling boosts will apply to this (Spheres may have more but i'm referring to paizo pathfinder).
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<p>but ultimately the biggest issue is the inability to handle things other than HP damage in a meaningful way. Though some healing items can help out. Sugeon tools for isntance.</p>
<p>It can take healer's hands and all that. But thats the same as any other paizo official class. So I'm not touching on that build specifically as it already exists and is arguablly the comparison point. This is free w/ a standard action of the class, and the comaprison point is a full round w/ several feats. So its not bad standard at all</p>
<p>It can heal a lot of hp and is a great secondary emergency hp patch. Those rolls can get huge later on (i.e. my life oracle before at lv 12 could roll upwards of 45 unoptimized which is good healing standard action w/ the above abilty) but I think it'd be better built as a ranged damager w/ a focus on the AOE weapon, and the application of coatings on something like a crossbow/bow/throwing arrow situation for some decent damage.</p>Actually the Scholar's healer ability has very little interaction with almost all of the Heal Skill feats (other than the ones that help the roll directly). Off hand, almost all the ones I can think of specifically improve the Treat Wounds action of Heal skill. The scholar abilty does not do Treat Wounds.
Nothing but pure skill point rolling boosts will apply to this (Spheres may have more but i'm referring to paizo pathfinder).
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but ultimately the biggest issue is the...Scholar Zupon (alias of Zwordsman)2023-03-31T21:56:16ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionStorm Dragonhttps://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6242023-04-09T06:58:55Z2023-03-31T20:56:58Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Scholar Zupon wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Scholar is an interesting class. I don't think it can be a full healer like its billed; not without making strong use of its Elixirs and the group itself relying on short breaks to remake them. That said. I think probably lv 8 + where it auto success Heal checks for its ability it will be pretty good off healer. Top off post battle sort of thing or emergency mid battle 'whups" issues fixing. Not that healing is a real thing in p1 combat (Ioutside of a few specific things like life oracle /skald passive healing or self healing build). The healer hand conduit feat basically the same but probably better overall even if its a full round.
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</blockquote><p>Scholars are big skill monkeys so they can combine Salve healing WITH stuff like Healer's Hand + Incredible Healer. The combination of those two Feats makes mundane healing arguably miles better than magical healing in most respects. You can take a full round action to heal ~80-100 with a check at pretty reasonable levels.Scholar Zupon wrote:Scholar is an interesting class. I don't think it can be a full healer like its billed; not without making strong use of its Elixirs and the group itself relying on short breaks to remake them. That said. I think probably lv 8 + where it auto success Heal checks for its ability it will be pretty good off healer. Top off post battle sort of thing or emergency mid battle 'whups" issues fixing. Not that healing is a real thing in p1 combat (Ioutside of a few specific things...Storm Dragon2023-03-31T20:56:58ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionScholar Zupon (alias of Zwordsman)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6232023-04-09T06:58:53Z2023-03-31T19:28:57Z<p>Scholar is an interesting class. I don't think it can be a full healer like its billed; not without making strong use of its Elixirs and the group itself relying on short breaks to remake them. That said. I think probably lv 8 + where it auto success Heal checks for its ability it will be pretty good off healer. Top off post battle sort of thing or emergency mid battle 'whups" issues fixing. Not that healing is a real thing in p1 combat (Ioutside of a few specific things like life oracle /skald passive healing or self healing build). The healer hand conduit feat basically the same but probably better overall even if its a full round.
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The alchemical items are pretty neat though. They're basically renewable spells. At this level they are potent. if I had built Zupon as an AOE specific one he would have done quite well overall in damage.
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While I chose an oddd weapon choice. I don't think they are decent enough at melee w/out the INT to hit/damage feats. WHich if they were wanting to sink 3 into it. Could make one heck of a alch thrower-crossbower.</p>
<p>Spheres is potent, I don't think its overly so though. At the end point of pathfinder 1 the power creep was enough that it really isn't as strong as previous. I think its highlyh customizable which is the best thing about it. Also being mundane not magic is neat.
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I def could break Zupon if I built him. but thats true of anything. So ultimately I think it provides a good set of tools to be a classic non magical alchemist-item user.
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I don't like some sphere's spheres though. I like the outset of it but some of the non standard to Pf1things felt weird. Not sure i can phrase that wthough</p>Scholar is an interesting class. I don't think it can be a full healer like its billed; not without making strong use of its Elixirs and the group itself relying on short breaks to remake them. That said. I think probably lv 8 + where it auto success Heal checks for its ability it will be pretty good off healer. Top off post battle sort of thing or emergency mid battle 'whups" issues fixing. Not that healing is a real thing in p1 combat (Ioutside of a few specific things like life oracle...Scholar Zupon (alias of Zwordsman)2023-03-31T19:28:57ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionStorm Dragonhttps://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6222023-04-09T06:58:51Z2023-03-31T18:08:07Z<p>Bit of a bummer, but no surprise. No real post-mortems to give; I've played Conscript several times and probably will again, it's a good class.</p>Bit of a bummer, but no surprise. No real post-mortems to give; I've played Conscript several times and probably will again, it's a good class.Storm Dragon2023-03-31T18:08:07ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionNathan "Cable" Grey (alias of Evindyl)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6212023-04-09T06:58:48Z2023-03-30T23:46:58Z<p>Thank you, all, for letting me be part of your story. It's been very very fun, and I learned a lot. The opportunity to play a Psion, as well as hear perspective like from Zwords about Psions vs Wilders was really amazing.</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>Thank you, all, for letting me be part of your story. It's been very very fun, and I learned a lot. The opportunity to play a Psion, as well as hear perspective like from Zwords about Psions vs Wilders was really amazing.
Thanks again.Nathan "Cable" Grey (alias of Evindyl)2023-03-30T23:46:58ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionChigao Waiyo (alias of c c)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6202023-03-30T12:59:59Z2023-03-30T08:33:14Z<p>Thank you, DM rel20, for running this adventure for the past couple of years and giving us players the opportunity to try out the various PF1e 3rd party classes out there. Thank you also to all my fellow 3rd-party PF1e players in this game, past and present, for helping to give some liveliness to this crazy adventure as we interacted with all the occurring events and each other, as well. :)</p>
<p>Had been slowing down my posting frequency due to RL [dealing with eldercare stuff with my family] and all. :(</p>
<p>In terms of the third party <a href="https://d20animesrd.opengamingnetwork.com/classes/ninja-kunoichi-%e3%81%8f%e3%83%8e%e4%b8%80/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Kunoichi-Ninja</a> class that Chigao utilzed, it didn't seem too out of place in comparison to Paizo's own Ninja Alternate Class; probably had a lot of side-grade class options that was made possible by the nature of the source material. Also got discover the existence of Genshin Impact due to some last minute fleshing out on in-character visual appearance as a minor bit of peripheral stuff. ;)</p>Thank you, DM rel20, for running this adventure for the past couple of years and giving us players the opportunity to try out the various PF1e 3rd party classes out there. Thank you also to all my fellow 3rd-party PF1e players in this game, past and present, for helping to give some liveliness to this crazy adventure as we interacted with all the occurring events and each other, as well. :)
Had been slowing down my posting frequency due to RL [dealing with eldercare stuff with my family] and...Chigao Waiyo (alias of c c)2023-03-30T08:33:14ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionScholar Zupon (alias of Zwordsman)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6192023-03-30T07:46:10Z2023-03-30T04:49:08Z<p>Okie Dokie boss. I"ve had a lot of fun over the ....2 and a quarter? years. but yep. I would agree its fades in and out with the variable chaos.</p>
<p>I'd be happy to talk about 3rd party classes and such. I'll post up something of my thoughts for Zupon's Scholar (sphere of power). As well as spruce up my memory on the other 3rd party and comment on them too.</p>Okie Dokie boss. I"ve had a lot of fun over the ....2 and a quarter? years. but yep. I would agree its fades in and out with the variable chaos.
I'd be happy to talk about 3rd party classes and such. I'll post up something of my thoughts for Zupon's Scholar (sphere of power). As well as spruce up my memory on the other 3rd party and comment on them too.Scholar Zupon (alias of Zwordsman)2023-03-30T04:49:08ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionDM rel20 (alias of djpika)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6182023-03-30T07:46:00Z2023-03-30T03:33:42Z<p>At this point I'm sorry to announce that it's time to close up this game. The track record just isn't there. I speculate that the correlation between pbp game length and chance for real life interruption(s) is exponential, and we've certainly experienced enough of them at this point. Even if we were to give this another go, we'd probably lose another week for the ones that haven't reported in yet, which would just bring us back to step one. These interruptions only end up taxing the ones that are checking in or putting in the effort - such as Storm essentially crafting a new character.</p>
<p>Hopefully it was still enjoyable while it lasted. Given the state of the world, I figured we could all use the distraction during the lock downs.</p>
<p>If folks would like, we could circle back to discussing the balance of the classes as they played out, since that was the original intent. But I certainly understand if ending the game means not wanting to deal with any aspect of it further.</p>At this point I'm sorry to announce that it's time to close up this game. The track record just isn't there. I speculate that the correlation between pbp game length and chance for real life interruption(s) is exponential, and we've certainly experienced enough of them at this point. Even if we were to give this another go, we'd probably lose another week for the ones that haven't reported in yet, which would just bring us back to step one. These interruptions only end up taxing the ones that...DM rel20 (alias of djpika)2023-03-30T03:33:42ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionNathan "Cable" Grey (alias of Evindyl)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6172023-03-30T07:45:46Z2023-03-29T13:19:16Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DM rel20 wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I'm still here but I was really hoping to see something from Nathan. </p>
<p>It's late here, so I'm not going to update the main thread tonight. Honestly, I think I should probably just call this now given all the interruptions we've had up until this point. But I'll let everyone know tomorrow. I'd rather not make a rash late night decision. </blockquote><p>I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be a problem. I'm not even sure how I missed the post saying I needed to say more. I just sort of thought we were in another lull ... which in some ways I appreciate, kind of like what Zupon said.
<p>Nathan runs.</p>DM rel20 wrote:I'm still here but I was really hoping to see something from Nathan.
It's late here, so I'm not going to update the main thread tonight. Honestly, I think I should probably just call this now given all the interruptions we've had up until this point. But I'll let everyone know tomorrow. I'd rather not make a rash late night decision.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be a problem. I'm not even sure how I missed the post saying I needed to say more. I just sort of thought we were in...Nathan "Cable" Grey (alias of Evindyl)2023-03-29T13:19:16ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionScholar Zupon (alias of Zwordsman)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6162023-03-30T07:45:40Z2023-03-29T05:58:52Z<p>This is a fun PBP and setting and neat 3rd party showcase. But it has had the weird curse of a lot of oddities but not actually dying.
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I like it but it tends to ebb and flow in odd ratios to life</p>This is a fun PBP and setting and neat 3rd party showcase. But it has had the weird curse of a lot of oddities but not actually dying.
I like it but it tends to ebb and flow in odd ratios to lifeScholar Zupon (alias of Zwordsman)2023-03-29T05:58:52ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionDM rel20 (alias of djpika)https://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6152023-03-30T07:45:30Z2023-03-29T05:02:52Z<p>I'm still here but I was really hoping to see something from Nathan. </p>
<p>It's late here, so I'm not going to update the main thread tonight. Honestly, I think I should probably just call this now given all the interruptions we've had up until this point. But I'll let everyone know tomorrow. I'd rather not make a rash late night decision.</p>I'm still here but I was really hoping to see something from Nathan.
It's late here, so I'm not going to update the main thread tonight. Honestly, I think I should probably just call this now given all the interruptions we've had up until this point. But I'll let everyone know tomorrow. I'd rather not make a rash late night decision.DM rel20 (alias of djpika)2023-03-29T05:02:52ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionStorm Dragonhttps://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6142023-03-30T07:45:28Z2023-03-28T18:59:42Z<p>Bueller?</p>Bueller?Storm Dragon2023-03-28T18:59:42ZRe: Forums: Play-by-Post Discussion: [Non-PFS] [3PP Class Only] Shadowed Keep on the Borderlands DiscussionStorm Dragonhttps://paizo.com/campaigns/v5748p75ivlmd/discussion&page=13#6132023-03-18T05:19:16Z2023-03-14T13:36:41Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">DM rel20 wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Storm Dragon wrote:</div><blockquote> I think we can probably handwave it as him being missed in the scuffle of everyone moving around, and clarify it later. </blockquote>Seeing the spirit of your recently fallen ally floating around without an explanation would require a fear or horror check in certain worlds... here, it's up to the individual to play their characters accordingly. </blockquote><p>Personally, I like the idea of the slapstick route.
<p>The Party: "Oh my god! I can't believe Randall's dead...that was horrible. There was was SO MUCH BLOOD, what're we gonna tell his family? I'll miss him."</p>
<p>Randall's mangled, bloody spirit reveals itself: "Guys...I think I've turned into a ghost."</p>
<p>Party: "•sigh• I miss him so much I almost imagine I can hear his voice."</p>
<p>Randall: "I'm...I'm right here."</p>
<p>Party: •wistfully• "If I didn't know better, I'd think he was still among us..."</p>DM rel20 wrote:Storm Dragon wrote: I think we can probably handwave it as him being missed in the scuffle of everyone moving around, and clarify it later.
Seeing the spirit of your recently fallen ally floating around without an explanation would require a fear or horror check in certain worlds... here, it's up to the individual to play their characters accordingly. Personally, I like the idea of the slapstick route. The Party: "Oh my god! I can't believe Randall's dead...that was horrible....Storm Dragon2023-03-14T13:36:41Z