Open recruitment for #1-12 Burden of Envy, a non-repeatable Tier 1-4 scenario.
Swindler, rogue, and occasional Pathfinder ally Guaril Karela has approached the Society with an opportunity that Valais Durant, the leader of the Society's Radiant Oath faction, can't refuse. Guaril has been charging refugees to sneak them out of Xin-Edasseril, a city ruled by the Runelord of Envy, and now it looks like Guaril won't be able to fulfill his contracts. Society agents are charged with sneaking into the dangerous city and sneaking out with a handful of its citizens before their absence is noticed so that the Radiant Oath can help them find new lives beyond their current ruler's tyrannical reach.
The fine print:
1. Recruitment will be open for approximately 4 days, until Sunday night US Pacific time. All applications received in that time frame will be treated equally. This recruitment is not first come, first served.
2. Posting expectations are standard: 1 post per weekday, 1 post per weekend. This will put our projected completion date after the beginning of the Outpost convention. While I would be happy to complete the scenario before March 30, I do not intend to truncate the scenario to do so.
3. Two groups will be given priority: PCs in the Radiant Oath faction, and - because I haven't seen open recruitment for this scenario before - active GMs who are interested in GMing this in the future.
4. If you'd like to apply, please make an in character post answering whether you believe it's morally justifiable to break the unjust laws of a tyrannical, but legitimate, ruler. In addition, make sure your stat blocks are filled out.
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I would love to throw Hookie into this, and I would be open to running this on PBP, as I already own it. I heart Gauril Karela. He's my Sczarni hero.
"Hookie am thinking it am okay to break laws when laws am making people unsafe and ungood. Hookie am thinking Saranrae am teaching us that laws am good when they am doing good things, but bad when they am doing bad things. Hookie am not WANTING to break law, but if Hookie HAVE to break laws," Hookie grins a little too widely, "Then it am good to break laws!"
I am interested. I need to update my character profile for the pre-level 2 rebuild, but the character is a 2nd level monk. He is a member of Vigilant Seal. I am very interested in getting more scenarios played before I GM them, so I appreciate the opportunity.
Asked about the morality of breaking unjust laws, Variel would respond that it is in fact morally necessary to do so, even for a "legitimate" authority, as an unjust ruler is inherently breaking the legitimacy of his rule.
I'm interested. I'm actually going to run this one for Outpost III here on the forums so it would be a good test run to see any snags players might come up against. If accepted I'll be playing with my level 1 fighter, also Vigilant Seal, so that might be a strike against him.
When asked the question, Ixlilton responds, hands on his hips. "Morally? Isn't that the same as ethically? That is something better left to scholars, my friend. I sometimes confuse both. Now, if these laws are unjust, how is it that we are breaking them? They are the whims of a, a tyrant, you said? An individual, who could easily change them. Break the unjust ones, respect the just ones, that's all I'll say."
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I've got a Radiant Oath member here. Don't think I'm ready to jump into GMing 2e yet. I can hang with those post rates no prob. My stat blocks aren't filled out as of this posting but they will be before Sunday. Probably tonight on fact.
"I'm sorry friend but your question contradicts itself. I refuse to see a tyrant who makes unjust laws as a legitimate ruler. Not only is is morally justified to break those laws it would be unjustifiable to allow such a ruler to remain in power."
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» By Abadar’s key ring, people back all and any choices on morality, that they adapt to suit their needs. But... breaking the law? No, no, no. That leads to Anarchy.
Of course someone will always find a law unjust. Why, just last week...
Does the so-called tyrant raise taxes? Allow commerce? Promote civilized behavior?
Breaking the law leads to Revolution which inevitably leads to the degradation of trade and the stifling of prosperity for the general public.
Most important, it is just plain bad manners! »
Rule number 4 does confuse me just a little. Is there anybody in real life history that I can compare this too? A legit Tyrant is something hard for me to wrap my head around. Most tyrants are ill-legit, like that one from WWII.
Many people tolerate, and even support, tyrants in desperate times. I'll try to shy away from real life examples because it can get political, but in this scenario, you will be traveling to a city in New Thassalonia, ruled by a Runelord, and you'll need to dodge the Runelord's supporters. Would you break the city's laws to complete your mission?
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I can give a generic real life example that shouldn't get all political. Back in ye olde days there were plenty of kings, queens, emperors, etc. who got their throne legitimately that could be considered tyrants.
Of course that's for a given definition of legitimate. Giving the oldest child of the last leader the reigns is a weirs way to do things by modern standards but that's the way things go in many places on Golarion too.
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Hello everyone! Will glad to join!
1. NOt sure if I will be at the team...
2. Everyday posting is fine for me.
3. I am an active GM and usualy prefer to first play, then master any game.
4. Complicated question, my friend. Legitimate ruler should rule. If all his authority use rules and not overstep laws. I mean, if govenment is currupted and ignore own rules, or make economics poor - such a rulership should fail. And better soon, than later. But in oher circumasnaces authority should be respecten, even tyranical one... if it is sustaining.
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It is definitely okay to stand up against Tyranny of any kind. However, when Tyrants are making the rules, don't get caught breaking the rules. I Gazard Gamille have trained myself in the shadows and have prepared some spells I can use to make a clean getaway. Need to break into a place without killing any guards, sleep spells work wonders. I also know some quick getaway spells, like jump, just try to chase me across that twenty foot gap. Need to steal some important documents, I'm trained in both stealth and thievery. When all else fails and we have a dozen guards chasing us on our tail for breaking the law, I have a present for them, burning hands. I plan to do this this while killing as few guards as possible, cause most guards are just doing their job. The leaders are the ones I actually want to take out.
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The half-elf adjusts his glasses and says, "Well, in the case of unjust tyrants, there have been multiple well-documented instances of rebellion among those who are affected by them, such as the creation of Andoran and the ongoing conflicts in Galt. While this instance might be slightly different, as the ruler of New Thassilon is legitimate, and Galt, for example, has had a number of rulers who claimed power after killing the previous ones, the main issue is still the same, so protesting unjust laws by disobeying them is perfectly appropriate."
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I am interested. I need to update my character profile for the pre-level 2 rebuild, but the character is a 2nd level monk. He is a member of Vigilant Seal. I am very interested in getting more scenarios played before I GM them, so I appreciate the opportunity.
Asked about the morality of breaking unjust laws, Variel would respond that it is in fact morally necessary to do so, even for a "legitimate" authority, as an unjust ruler is inherently breaking the legitimacy of his rule.
This is the character I am using, if selected.
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Please add me for consideration. Not Radiant Oath, but I am a GM. I have run more Starfinder than Pathfinder 2E so far, but am looking to find more scenarios I enjoy to run in Pathfinder 2E, so would love to play this one out.
As for my stance:
"Where I come from, we view the gods as unjust tyrants. I don't go out of my way to break their rules when I'm in their lands ... but I certainly don't feel morally beholden to follow their tenets just because their followers have laid claim to any territory. A political tyrant doesn't seem much different to me. If a law is unjust and needs to be broken to do the right thing, then that's a law that it seems reasonable to break."
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Erryn raises her eyebrow at the question, before giving a casual shrug. "Certainly. I saw firsthand what good blind obedience did for the Knights of Lastwall: very little. If everyone paid greater heed to 'legitimate' authority than to their consciences, I very much doubt I would have lived to be here today, answering this question."
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Recruitment closed.
Will the following please report to the Discussion and Gameplay threads:
Gazard
Hookie
Ixlilton
Milady
Regus
Variel
Everyone else: My explicit hope is that several of the players in this game will be GMing it in the future. I hope you'll have a chance to play another run.
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Recruitment closed.
Will the following please report to the Discussion and Gameplay threads:
Gazard
Hookie
Ixlilton
Milady
Regus
VarielEveryone else: My explicit hope is that several of the players in this game will be GMing it in the future. I hope you'll have a chance to play another run.
On that note, there happens to be six of these run on Outpost III. outpost III
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