Ok, sounds good. I'll get to work fleshing everything out.
Dropping interest. Love the plot-light but well-defined personality angle dungeon crawling/treasure hunt, but the kingdom building/Ultimate Campaign stuff is less my speed. Looks like you have plenty of interested parties!
Ummm...
one question...when we build these buildings, who runs them. For example, say we build a temple, where does the priestcome from? Or an orphanage, the orphans?
Ok that's two but they are related.
My understanding is that when we build Houses, they'll be magically filled with people. They'll then be used to staff/run all of the other buildings.
@GM Rednal: Does my submission look okay? Anything I need to change?
Dropping interest. Love the plot-light but well-defined personality angle dungeon crawling/treasure hunt, but the kingdom building/Ultimate Campaign stuff is less my speed. Looks like you have plenty of interested parties!
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Of all the sign-ups you are the only person I played with before.I'm not against new players or playing with others, but it would have been nice.
@GM Rednal: Mythic and Gestalt - this is a high powered game. That being the case, how do you feel about the Godling classes?
I'm happy with people popping up because if some event sent us here as first level guys, why should't it send other people here after us? We just get to be the front of the wave. Could even have been parties before us that just didn't make it through encounter 1.
Dropping interest. Love the plot-light but well-defined personality angle dungeon crawling/treasure hunt, but the kingdom building/Ultimate Campaign stuff is less my speed. Looks like you have plenty of interested parties!=(
Of all the sign-ups you are the only person I played with before.
I'm not against new players or playing with others, but it would have been nice.
Thanks Jax. I'm sure we'll play again down the line somewhere... And don't worry, as you said "new" folk are fine!!
This looks like a *lot* of fun!!! Gestalt!!!!
@GM Rednal: are you familiar with THESE? Either as half or both halves of a Gestalt they could be a lot of fun...
@Chillblame: Whack-a-Rogue has it correct. ^^ When homes are built, people will appear there - plucked from elsewhere by methods they don't really understand. These NPCs will things.
Ok, fair enough, but orphans???
I assume if we get cohorts the same?
For imaginary orphans?
Very Zen
lol
so no leadership feat. Ok then.
I'm thinking of making a character based on Theseus or Memnon, Hercules. Would you approve The godling 3pp class so I would be Mighty Godling//Adept Godling.
which basically boils down to just a tad more powerful and versitile than a figher/eldritch knight//sorcerer.
A gestalt Adept/Eldritch godling is actually one of my personal favorites among the characters I've made. XD Those classes can be a lot of fun when they're done right. They're easily adapted for multiple roles, too, which I highly support for this game - thus, Godlings are acceptable as class choices.
Oh thanks WaR totally didn't see that!
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@Zain: I think... in most cases, mounted classes would work fairly poorly. Corridors mostly aren't wide enough to make that practical, and some traps might make short work of a mount (or at least prevent it from safely advancing).
I thought that might be the case, still though I find myself tempted to at least present the idea. What do you think of a Dragonrider perhaps crossed with Rogue.
Concept wise I have this sort of idea of the character being a Human Prince and the Dragon being the child of some fairly powerful dragon. They were bonded as a sort of wager between the royal family and the dragon. Both are trying to essentially win the other over to there 'side' if the royal family 'wins' they have a Dragon loyal to the prince of the kingdom strengthening there rule significantly. If the dragon wins they have a future KING in there pocket someone willing to go to war to strengthen the hoard.
The dragon would certainly have some problems with corridors but theoretically not THAT bad with the traps depending on what they are.
What is your view on Lawful Evil? I know you don't like evil, but it wouldn't be someone who attacks the party or who just outright kills off many NPCs, but it would be someone working behind the scenes. He wouldn't be lawful in the sense that he obeys the law, but lawful in the sense that he doesn't outright attack people in plain sight, as some would interpret it an evil genius that tries to make himself look innocent.
A good example of Lawful Evil, the Sith in the Prequel Star Wars movies, the Jedi Council did not know he was the Sith and was pulling off all the moves behind the scenes.
A gestalt Adept/Eldritch godling is actually one of my personal favorites among the characters I've made. XD Those classes can be a lot of fun when they're done right. They're easily adapted for multiple roles, too, which I highly support for this game - thus, Godlings are acceptable as class choices.
I'd looked at gestalting Mighty and Eldritch Godline, but this line
Class features that two classes share (such as uncanny dodge) accrue at the rate of the faster class
Convinced me not to. Am I right that this would probably cover Lineage Domain and Divine Traits as well? Or would Divine Trait points just add up? Or would you get two separate 'lists' of Divine Traits?
@GM Rednal: Sweet!
@Bane88: You want to talk?
Sure, I'm actually considering just doing adept//eldritch for the 1st level minor ascendancy
Magic Is Magic (Ex): You have realized that to a godling all magic is, at the root, the same. To determine your caster level for all your spellcasting classes, add all your levels in classes that grant both 0-level and 1st level spells at level 1, and half your levels in classes that grant up to 4th level spells. This does not grant you additional spell slots of spells known, only a higher caster level for determining the effects of your spells.
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@Zain: Reading the description, the dragon literally would not fit through the corridors, and I suspect its magical powers may not cross the barriers of planes so easily. XD; It would have to almost intentionally be de-aged or so, weakening its powers from what the class is balanced for... a fun idea for other campaigns, but probably not a good choice for this one.
The dragons actually are already modified by the design of the class, many start out medium sized and lose most of there magical abilities save for breath weapon.
an example of such would be the Blue Dragons who are medium sized to begin with and grow to large sized at 8th level. If it still does not feel right then that is fine with me I just thought the general concept would be a neat one to bring around.
BLUE DRAGON (LE)
STARTING STATISTICS
Size: Medium; Speed: 30 ft., fly 40 ft. (clumsy);
AC: +5 natural armor
Attack: bite (1d6), 2 claws (1d4)
Ability Scores: Str 13, Dex 14, Con 13, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 8
Focus: move action
Special Attacks: breath weapon, 1d4 electricity, 30 ft. line;
Special Defenses: immunity to electricity, paralysis, sleep;
Special Qualities: darkvision (60 ft.), low-light vision, scent.
@Bane88; that would be very effective with something like evocation blasting.
which is what I will do!
Would you allow the use of Rogue/Super Genius Games Vanguard class? It's esentially a spontaneous casting Magus with some unique tricks. Please note, I do have the more up to date version of the class, and intended to use it.
Yeah, they're a really good company(ies). I usually just give blanket permission for there stuff in my games.
Plus it's nice to be able to use a two handed weapon, in this case a Totem Spear, while firing spells down it. So my current concept is a Vanguard/Bard Wordcaster who uses both words and a really large weapon to win his fights.
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@Zain: You should also keep in mind the low ceilings and lack of ability to fly freely in most areas. XD There will be some large rooms, but plenty of others will be on the small side. Other than that, though... if you stopped taking levels in Dragonrider at 7, so your mount would never grow Large, I could see it as potentially working if you did that.
I think actually I might have a work-around for levels 8-15, at second level Dragonriders gain share spells, and at 5th level they gain 1's level spells and among the spells available is 'Reduce Person' since share spells allows me to use spells on my dragon that normally world not effect it I could use that to maintain it's Medium size after level 8!
So long as you are cool with the idea I think this might be a lot of fun.
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Mechanically, I could see that working, particularly if you cast Permanency (suddenly growing in size again mid-dungeon would be... awkward...), but it does seem to go against the fluff a bit. Namely, it's noted that the main benefit for dragons is getting bigger and stronger at a faster pace - and specifically casting magic to permanently keep them smaller and weaker might not go over too well with a proud dragon steed. XD;
Also, checking the class, dragons will grow in size twice - and at the second increase, they wouldn't fit into the passages of dungeons even WITH Reduce Person affecting them. Do you have a plan for dealing with that (like no longer taking levels in the class)?
Fluff wise I see it working out because I intend to use a Blue dragon, the cunning sort of dragon who will eb willing to put up with a bit of indignity in order to A) proceed with his 'master' B)Obtain more wealth and C)Grow stronger as reduce person will not weaken him totally down to his pre-8th level status.
For constant usage of the shrinking I was thinking of the potential to obtain a sort of necklace of reduce person, something that would allow for more-or less permanent reduction but while also allowing it to run out and allows the dragon to regrow(as well as allowing for the ability to cast 'enlarge person' to counter the reduction when we happen upon a room large enough to support a large dragon!
As for Post 15 leveling... I'd likely start taking another class the exact class would depend upon whats going on in the game(But wouldn't Dragon Disciple be an awesome choice!)
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I'm not seeing anything on my list, so... I believe you'd have to craft that one following standard magic item creation guidelines. ^^ Or have one of the people who expressed interest in a crafter character do it. Either works, really.
Either or might work out, seven whole levels until it becomes an 'issue'.
So, I'll have to flesh out my back story, but I'm looking at a Gunslinger(Musket Master/Gun Scavenger)/Inquisitor of Besmara. Gun Scavenger is more for flavor than abilities, since I'd be experimenting with the idea of a pepperbox on a rifle, I feel like the gun scavenger would fit that idea of mixing gun styles idea. The inquisitor half rooting more in religious beliefs for a dhampir knowing that here he wouldn't be judged for being an abomination to the living.
@Ashvale: Don't know if its approved, but you might like to try: Apex Warrior. One of the options is to have a dragon affinity and have a faerie dragon, pseudodragon, or Small drake as an animal companion as well as some draconic abilities for you.
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@Ashvale: Don't know if its approved, but you might like to try: Apex Warrior. One of the options is to have a dragon affinity and have a faerie dragon, pseudodragon, or Small drake as an animal companion as well as some draconic abilities for you.
Certainly a very interesting class, though Im not quite sure I understand how the hunters bond is supposed to work in regards to the dragons as they lack any 'advancement' like a Bear/Cheetah/Wolf or any of the others assuming it's supposed to be treated as the traditional Bond(thus like a Druids companion)
Certainly a very interesting class, though Im not quite sure I understand how the hunters bond is supposed to work in regards to the dragons as they lack any 'advancement' like a Bear/Cheetah/Wolf or any of the others assuming it's supposed to be treated as the traditional Bond(thus like a Druids companion)
@Ashvale: Don't know if its approved, but you might like to try: Apex Warrior. One of the options is to have a dragon affinity and have a faerie dragon, pseudodragon, or Small drake as an animal companion as well as some draconic abilities for you.
Aha. A very good point Zain. I shall have the author flogged.
Me: Did you write this execrable excuse of a dragon-themed option?
Me: Yes your honor. But I had help. I was more interested in the less fantastic, more bestial options.
Me: No excuses. Let the flogging commence.
* I'll get back to you with an answer...
I am interested going to see what i can do with magus/cleric
@Bane: That's one of those "good for normal characters, completely broken for gestalt characters" types of powers. XD; Remember, I'm MUCH less likely to choose characters that look like they're trying to grab too much power - you'll be quite powerful as it is, so deliberately going that far isn't necessary. Also, I already know just how useful a Legendary Item that boosts caster level checks can be for any caster, but especially for a godling. XD May I suggest that as an alternative for increasing caster level? You'll still be a guaranteed better-than-normal on your rolls, but without being quite so broken unless you roll particularly well.
So what you're saying... is that you DON'T want we to end up with caster level 40?!
Ok....*grumble, mumble,grumble*(sarcasm)
Here is my fighter arcanist I was talking about, languages and stats appear in the actual character sheet, but I copied and pasted the write-in fluff for your convenience.
Standard Racial Traits
Ability Score Racial Traits: Elves are nimble, both in body and mind, but their form is frail. They gain +2 Dexterity, +2 Intelligence, and –2 Constitution.
Size: Elves are Medium creatures and thus receive no bonuses or penalties due to their size.
Type: Elves are Humanoids with the elf subtype.
Base Speed: Elves have a base speed of 30 feet.
Languages: Elves begin play speaking Common and Elven. 3 other languages from intelligence modifier from a list.
Defense Racial Traits
Elemental Resistance: Elves who dwell in the most extreme environments, from arctic wastelands to volcanic plains, develop natural resistance to the dangers of their homelands over the course of a few generations. Elves with this racial trait gain elemental resistance 5 to acid, cold, electricity, or fire. This choice is made at character creation, and once made it cannot be changed. This racial trait replaces elven immunities. Resist 5 to Fire
Woodcraft: Elves know the deep secrets of the wild like no others, especially secrets of the forests. Elves with this racial trait gain a +1 racial bonus on Knowledge (nature) and Survival checks. In forest terrain, these bonuses improve to +2. This racial trait replaces elven magic.
Fleet-Footed: While all elves are naturally lithe and agile, some also are naturally speedy and have a strong desire to rush into situations rather than worrying about looking ahead. Elves with this racial trait receive Run as a bonus feat and a +2 racial bonus on initiative checks. This racial trait replaces keen senses and weapon familiarity.
Senses Racial Traits
Low-Light Vision: Elves can see twice as far as humans in conditions of dim light.
1. d10
2. Favored Class Bonus: added 1 HP
3. Weapon and Armor Proficiency: Proficienty with simple and martial weapons and heavy armor. The Magus part can cast spells while wearing light armor without penalty.
4. 1 Fighter Bonus Feat
5. Arcane Pool (Su) (3+1/2 Magus level=4)
At 1st level, the magus gains a reservoir of mystical arcane energy that he can draw upon to fuel his powers and enhance his weapon. This arcane pool has a number of points equal to 1/2 his magus level (minimum 1) + his Intelligence modifier. The pool refreshes once per day when the magus prepares his spells.
At 1st level, a magus can expend 1 point from his arcane pool as a swift action to grant any weapon he is holding a +1 enhancement bonus for 1 minute. For every four levels beyond 1st, the weapon gains another +1 enhancement bonus, to a maximum of +5 at 17th level. These bonuses can be added to the weapon, stacking with existing weapon enhancement to a maximum of +5. Multiple uses of this ability do not stack with themselves.
6. Spell Combat
At 1st level, a magus learns to cast spells and wield his weapons at the same time. This functions much like two-weapon fighting, but the off-hand weapon is a spell that is being cast. To use this ability, the magus must have one hand free (even if the spell being cast does not have somatic components), while wielding a light or one-handed melee weapon in the other hand. As a full-round action, he can make all of his attacks with his melee weapon at a –2 penalty and can also cast any spell from the magus spell list with a casting time of 1 standard action (any attack roll made as part of this spell also takes this penalty). If he casts this spell defensively, he can decide to take an additional penalty on his attack rolls, up to his Intelligence bonus, and add the same amount as a circumstance bonus on his concentration check. If the check fails, the spell is wasted, but the attacks still take the penalty. A magus can choose to cast the spell first or make the weapon attacks first, but if he has more than one attack, he cannot cast the spell between weapon attacks.
7. Spells-listed under spells section
Traits:
1. Warrior of Old: +2 Init
2. Unscathed: Each type of energy resistance you have (if any) increases by 2 points.
3. Defender of the Society (Fighter, Society): You gain a +1 trait bonus to Armor Class when wearing medium or heavy armor.
4. Paranoid: DC 15 to help me.
Feats:
1. Level 1: Improved Init: +4 Init
2. Run: Gained from fleet footed. 5xspeed movement when running. +4 jump acrobatics when running.
3. Level 1 Fighter bonus feet-Quickdraw: Draw weapon as a free action.
1. Scale Mail: AC:5 Max Dex:3 Penalty:4 25% arcane spell failure chance 30 LBS. 50 GP
2. Mastework Backpack: Adds 1 to my Str carrying capacity. 4 LBS. 50 GP
3. Scythe: 2d4 damage. 10 LBS. CritX4. P or S. 18 GP
4. Traveler's Outfit: Free
5. Spellbook: Free
6. Spellpouch: 2 LBS: 5 GP
7. 27 GP left over
1. BAB+1, CMB+3, CMD+16
2. Speed:20 Init:11
3. AC:18 T:13 FF:15
4. Fort:3 Reflex:3 Will:2
5. Scythe: attack 3. 2d4+3 damage. CritX4. P or S damage.
6. Arcane spell failure chance of 25%.
7. Spells: See spell section
8. HP: 12/12
1. Three Level Zero spells per day. I know all of them.
2. Two Level 1 spells per day. I know six. Three to start, three from intelligence modifier.
A. Enlarge Person-doubles size of person for 1/min per level
B. True Strike: +20 to next attack roll
C. Burning Hands: 1d4 fire damage per level, 15-foot cone. Max 5d4.
D. IronBeard: +1 AC for 1 min/level. Cold-Iron spikes weapon. Has a 20% arcane spell failure chance.
E. Jump: One creature gains +10 acrobatics for 1 min/level. +20 at 5th level, +30 at 9th level.
F. Vanish: One creature is invisible for 1 round/level. Max 5. Can affect 100 LBS/Level.
Skill Ranks: 5 per level (2+int modifier)
1. Acrobatics:0 (4 when running) (1 rank, 3 dex, 4 penalty, 4 from run)
2. Knowledge Arcana:7 (1 rank, 3 int, 3 trained)
3. Knowledge History:4 (1 rank, 3 int)
4. Knowledge Nature:5 (6 in forest) (1 rank, 3 int, 1 woodcraft)
5. Spellcraft:7 (1 rank, 3 int, 3 trained)
6. Survival:1 (2 in forest) (0 ranks, 0 wis, 1 woodcraft
all other skills equal to modifier if they can be used untrained. Check penalty is a 4.
Jack loves to read and learn. He studies the world around him and all his subjects. He isn't very talkative, but he isn't shy either, he is just mainly busy to do any talking. He does make friends easily and is polite, just not influential or anybody inspiring. When it comes to dating, Jack prefers younger women. He usually dates races that aren't elves, because he knows most races age faster than elves and that those that look the same age as him are usually younger. This does not make him a perv as he does not make moves onto people who aren't old enough, but in fact it makes him a male cougar. He has dated a few elves his age before, but it just wasn't his thing, so he either makes sure of the elf's age first or he dates other races. However, Jack is also a bit paranoid about things, and sometimes cannot trust everyone. He is not excessively paranoid where he does not make friends, but it is noticeable and can have an effect on him. However, he is also quite athletic and he can also battle well. Jack loves to get in close to his enemies, and he rarely if ever works from range. Jack has some defensive tactics to avoid getting killed up close, and he shows enemies no mercy.
Jack Speed-Runner was always one to hit the books. While most of his friends where out playing or having fun, he was studying, reading, even learning. While his friends would go outside to play, he would go outside to study the world around him. While his friends would read short novels, he would read long and interesting stories, even ones that had a twist to them. He enjoyed spending time with his friends, but always saw things from a different point of view. Not to mention, because Jack is Paranoid, he was sometimes withdrawn and had to study to get away from it. He made many friends, but did not always trust them. Playing sports was more about studying up on the laws of physics for Jack, rather than just for enjoyment or for competition. His ability to study allowed him to learn the game and the tactics quickly. Jack had some intense training in practice fights. First it started out with most basic of weapons, then they moved onto armor wielding. He had to practice for months and practice various drills. After a while he had a chance to combine learning with fighting. He had a chance to use Arcana to help gain a combat advantage. Jack rarely if ever used Arcana for ranged attacks, but instead he used it to get in and out of battle more effectively. After several years of learning and battle training, Jack took his learning even further. He decided to go to military school and he placed in the top 10% in his class. He uses his fighting and learning for good. He knows how to fight and he can fight, but he knows that the pen is mightier than the sword. He does however, hope to become a little bit more social and he is working on it. He isn't shy, but he isn't as talkative as he could potentially be. He spends time studying and practicing sometimes more than he does socializing. However, he does make friends easily and the ladies love him as well. One day, Jack wants to become a hero and with all that he has learned, maybe even a builder someday. He does have some engineering to study up on to become a builder, but that shouldn't be too hard for a guy like Jack who loves to learn.
I'm pretty sure I can roleplay the paranoid drawback trait very well and still be social enough to make friends, if you want to know why feel free to ask me.
I try to make sure the traits, feats, and other stuff I picked would fit in with the background.
If you find something, like a trait or something that does not match my background or looks contradictory, let me know. I picked things I think probably would match my background, but I'm only human.
I'm using my arcana to buff myself and others offensively and defensively or to get in/out of combat more easily.
I hope it is okay that I have a 124 year old elf that pursues young woman, but are at least of age. (All DM's do it differently, I've always said a 120 year old elf would look 18, other DM's say a 120 year old elf actually looks 120. The way the original D&D movie did it, the female elf was 230 years old, but looked like she was in her 20's or 30's.)
Lastly for the mythic tier, I'm going champion.