Shaeyl will be a bookworm, what with min 13 sp a level
OK, I just wanted to check. My archetype drops bardic knowledge, so I'm not going to try to be as knowledge focused as other bards. I'll probably focus on the ones you guys won't have, like geography, history, local, and nobility. Little bit in Arcana since she is at least partially a wizard after all, and a little in religion to pick that up.
Edit: I might work on adding something like Table 1's skill section to that spreadsheet I made. Saw someone mention their spreadsheet elsewhere. Pretty impressive thing if we want to track who has what skills and such.
Question to CaveToad. Can I use Craft (Calligraphy) to write novels when we get downtime and access to supplies? I figure I should find a use for my giant bonus to that skill, and that seems to fit well flavor and character wise.
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Question to CaveToad. Can I use Craft (Calligraphy) to write novels when we get downtime and access to supplies? I figure I should find a use for my giant bonus to that skill, and that seems to fit well flavor and character wise.
Yeah probably doable.
That's a pretty impressive file.
Yeah someone put a bunch of effort into that. I copied it in and fixed some of the errors, so we have that on this spreadsheet. I did grub's so I could test some things, but the rest need skills and class skills put in if we want to use it. Might help us decide what we want to invest in each time we level up.
Green colors are who is best at each skill (darker is better), and blue colors are which skills the group as a whole is best at.
Several of these numbers for Hseir are off.
For example, my Swim is +17, but you have it listed as +5.
Stealth is +8, but you have it at +4. Sense Motive is +8, you have it at +4. I have a rank in Knowledge (nature), but you have it as X.
Yes, I only put in data for myself and grub (to test), since all of you will be much more familiar with your character's class skills and bonuses than I would.
In the class skill section, put 1 if it is a class skill, any miscellaneous bonuses (like your +8 for swim speed I think?) in the next column, and how many ranks you have in that skill in the next column. It should then auto calculate.
Right now it is just calculating based off of your stats (which are there but currently hidden). X appears to mean that you do not have a rank, and it requires training to use effectively.
Ah, I didn't realize it was editable.
My bad!
Will get started putting things in.
Edit: All done!
I updated Shaeyl's skills.
Are you going to add any of the other tabs group 1 has?
Can CaveToad add that link to our campaign page?
I'm willing to implement them if people will use them. If everyone uses it, it becomes really easy to see info, and especially easy to move around items for encumbrance reasons, but if not everyone uses it it can be somewhat awkward to use, since we'd have to keep asking to clarify if someone updated or not.
The only one I think might be overkill is the languages one, since languages don't change that often, and maybe the spells one because I'm not too sure how we would use it.
Are we waiting for slower posters? Or letting them catch up?
How much time are we waiting before continuing the action?
I know that next week I am attending an out of state conference and will not be able to check the forum as often as I have been this week.
I know that CaveToad asked for a minimum once/day. However, it appears that some of us, at least today, can post more often than that.
What say you?
It's round 2 now, so it's everyone (including Grub) and then the goatlings again.
Geez grub, that's gonna be a painful round for you.
There wasn't really anything he could do that wouldn't provoke, and with Mage Armor, he's got a 19 AC, so hopefully, he'll be fine.
everything is difficult terrain.
That means no 5' steps.
Since factionable bab doesn't go across the gestalt, I have 3 classes with 0 bab first level. So drawing a weapon is a move action.
Another move action to get into position.
Ahhh gotcha, forgot about all that.
Hey Cavetoad, question. Another player recently pointed out to me something, and after some discussion over PM we realized that my future plans and character concepts are not actually feasible due to misreading some things and mechanics. They pointed out another option, but it would require changing one of my classes.
I know you didn't want people to keep constantly editing builds, and I'm probably the most guilty of that, but when we get to a safe point (if we survive, haha), or even in the future nearer the end of the trial, can I rework my classes? It would involve replacing swashbuckler with the gunslinger bolt ace archetype, no AC, HP or skill changes. Whenever would be convenient for you, I get that it's a time consuming thing to check and you now have gameplay to do.
worksheet added to page header.
you can rework your character later. as long as its before trial ended, because then its fixed.
In essence the plan was, using a feat and the Mouser's underfoot assault, to have AC high enough that I could provoke AOOs fairly safely and kinda be in the fray to support you all.
But underfoot assault is actually -4 to attack people other than me, not -4 to attack me, and the feat that gave an additional 4 AC would probably take a 3 level dip instead of 1 level because of technicality. So I would have like 4-8 AC lower than I hoped until super late.
Instead I'm just going to invest in crossbow and ranged and support in a different way.
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It appears the goatlings also have combat reflexes as several took multiple AoO's.
Goatling 1 did take an extra AoO that it wasn't supposed to. The first was against Aury'tss, the second which wsa listed against Sly, was actually goatling 6, I just copy pasted the text string without changing the goat name. The sentence preceding it, however contains the correct information. Goatling 1 did also take an AoO against Grubgullet, which should not have happened, it did miss though, so we don't need to retro any damage.
no worries, knowing the tactical capabilities is important for our own team.
If we have someone with high AC, we send him up to trigger the AoO's, then the others can move through without getting hit themselves.
Yeah I'm going to work on getting Sly back up and running on my turn, and that's going to provoke a lot of AoOs anyway I think.
Yeah tactics matter big time for these sorts of fights, particularly since you are outnumbered and in their element/terrain.
I bet you could actually kill 5 if Shaeyl attacked him on his turn, and then Sly just full attacked from the ground, and went on to attack 6, which I'm standing with.
Your 5 attacks at -4 each (-3 with performance!) is probably much better than standing up and doing 1. We need to speed up our damage, and Grub's too busy, and I'm useless at damage.
Alternatively you could use a hero point to stand up, and then full attack. You'd be much safer in following turns.
I had been thinking about using mine to double heal you, but I took a chance and it (hopefully) ended up working out. Though if I take 11 damage from AoOs my heal wont go off (not because of concentration, because I'll be unconscious! Now that's dedication)
I'm sorry, CaveToad, but I checked with a friend about the grapple rules, and I have a couple of notes.
First of all, because the Goatling was grappled by me already, I should have gotten an extra +5. That one was my bad.
Secondly, if the new total of 23 still fails to pin, that actually causes the grapple to end.
I think inspire courage might also affect grapples, if they count as an 'attack'?
If the big goatling is grappled, can he provide a flanking bonus?
Goatling #1 has no one else to flank shaeyl.
If the big goatling is grappled, can he provide a flanking bonus?
Goatling #1 has no one else to flank shaeyl.
I believe the answer is no, because he no longer threatens anyone outside of the grapple.
PS, I added an inventory/carrying capacity section to that spreadsheet.
Any other sections you all want, like table 1's combat tracker, or?
I'm sorry, CaveToad, but I checked with a friend about the grapple rules, and I have a couple of notes.
First of all, because the Goatling was grappled by me already, I should have gotten an extra +5. That one was my bad.
Secondly, if the new total of 23 still fails to pin, that actually causes the grapple to end.
That is true, you get a +5 on the second round. So actually 23 would have pinned the Big Goatling. His attempt to break free still fails. Yes if you had failed to beat his CMD with your pin, which you perform as part of your attempt to maintain the grapple, he would become ungrappled. I just reread the grapple stuff 3 times again, and probably the 100th time at least overall. The charts they have are pretty handy.
I'll be sure to keep better track of these things in the future!
I think inspire courage might also affect grapples, if they count as an 'attack'?
correct:
When you attempt to perform a combat maneuver, make an attack roll and add your CMB in place of your normal attack bonus. Add any bonuses you currently have on attack rolls due to spells, feats, and other effects. These bonuses must be applicable to the weapon or attack used to perform the maneuver. The DC of this maneuver is your target's Combat Maneuver Defense. Combat maneuvers are attack rolls, so you must roll for concealment and take any other penalties that would normally apply to an attack roll.also to note...
A creature can also add any circumstance, deflection, dodge, insight, luck, morale, profane, and sacred bonuses to AC to its CMD. Any penalties to a creature's AC also apply to its CMD. A flat-footed creature does not add its Dexterity bonus to its CMD.
I believe the answer is no, because he no longer threatens anyone outside of the grapple.If the big goatling is grappled, can he provide a flanking bonus?
Goatling #1 has no one else to flank shaeyl.
This was super fuzzy also to try and track this down, and people had conflicting arguments, since you technically can attack outside of a grapple, but after I read all the wordings etc, some people basically narrowed it down to you can only provide flank if you threaten the square the would be flanked victim is in. In order to threaten a square you have to be able to make attack the square when it isn't your turn (basically an AoO). When you have the grappled condition you cannot make AoOs, and you can only threaten the person you are grappled with, so I guess you could provide flank against your grappling foe.
This rule seem to be further supported by higher level grappling feats/abilities of archetypes that spell out the fact that you can threaten and take AoOs as part of the ability of the power.
We will have to keep an eye on this.
If the big goatling is grappled, can he provide a flanking bonus?
Goatling #1 has no one else to flank shaeyl.
Yes, this is true, and goatling 1 would not have hit without flank bonus so we can negate the damage against Shaeyl.
I know that running so many tables can be a challenge.
I just want to thank you for your patience, commitment, and willingness to answer and respond when issues and questions come up.
Thanks!
@Sly, I always end up going overboard and doing sheets like this for myself anyways, so it's not a huge extra time commitment. I did do something I you all might enjoy, I was doodling the heights of our characters (Image), 'cause I wanted to draw something in the future.
@Toad and Grub, Navigating grappling rules is always a fun time. I spent most of my last session DM'ing teaching some new players how combat manuevers and grappling worked (in a bar fight that the party barbarian started, and the town guards ended)
Updated the spreadsheet with a combat tracker! Didn't add saves to conserve space, and because they don't change too often and are already on everyone's posts.
That's what the free action Travel Domain was for.
Agile Feet (Su): As a free action, you can gain increased mobility for 1 round. For the next round, you ignore all difficult terrain and do not take any penalties for moving through it.
I figure blowing through a substantial amount of resources on surviving is acceptable.
oh yeah! go for it!
I don't know how common hero points will be - by minimum rules it'd just be 1 per level, so pretty uncommon. It all ends up being how freely Cavetoad gives them out for other reasons (doing a cool thing, accomplishing some great deed, story reasons)
Another hit could definitely help, but also consider if another standard action might help in the next few rounds with a spell or something.
I know that running so many tables can be a challenge.
I just want to thank you for your patience, commitment, and willingness to answer and respond when issues and questions come up.
Thanks!
it's definitely fun and challenging. It a lot of work to run 6 tables of combat at once with arpox 20 combatants each. I spend about an hour per post for a round of combat, so its about 6+ hours a day to keep it going. This weekend was sparse due to other things that came up, but I will try to get things going.
I don't know how common hero points will be - by minimum rules it'd just be 1 per level, so pretty uncommon. It all ends up being how freely Cavetoad gives them out for other reasons (doing a cool thing, accomplishing some great deed, story reasons)
Another hit could definitely help, but also consider if another standard action might help in the next few rounds with a spell or something.
Yeah they will be pretty rare, 1 per level is normal, but yeah super duper heroics or other things described on the srd might garners them.