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Wingblade |
![Monk](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO1118-Monk_90.jpeg)
How long do we want to drag this out? Does everyone feel they've had a moment or two to do something that showcases their character?
If so, then I say we wrap up the fight. What do you think?
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Kaoru Miyamoto |
![Ghini](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/GhiniEagleye.jpg)
I'm cool with ending it. Kaoru's going to take off as soon as things look like they're under control.
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Kaoru Miyamoto |
![Ghini](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/GhiniEagleye.jpg)
Noooooo, Kaoru wanted to get hurt to blame Shaun for it. ;_; Aww, who am I kidding, Kaoru will use the move Teen Logic to blame Shaun anyway, but now with other angst thrown in.
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Wingblade |
![Monk](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO1118-Monk_90.jpeg)
I think we're pretty much there, yeah. How do we want to handle the "prominent hero" thing?
Ultimately, I think it's for Herman to answer that question, since it's from the Legacy playbook.
If I may make a couple of suggestions, we should go with a magic-based hero since we had a magic-based villain and we've really seem an uptick in the magic stuff.
The other thing I'd suggest is that the established hero does a good job of magicking away the destruction. Since we don't have a Nova this time (first I've seen in a Masks game), the surroundings actually don't get destroyed.
A couple ideas for magic-type heroes: Alleghory (was a mentor of sorts for the first Doomed, North Star); Bard; Dr. Orson Arkane, Ph.D.; or Myster Mystic.
(Except for Alleghory, I'm just making stuff up.)
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THE KILT |
![Barbarian](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO1114-Barbarian_90.jpeg)
If I may make a couple of suggestions, we should go with a magic-based hero since we had a magic-based villain and we've really seem an uptick in the magic stuff.
I'm glad somebody else noticed that. I didn't notice it until I was making some NPCs and realized just about all of them were magical in some way. Hope we can still fit in some classic pulp sci-fi stuff though. I've got a few ideas in that vein of things too.
Actually, while I'm thinking about NPCs, how comfortable is everybody with making characters aimed to be part of other peoples' stories? Like, would anybody mind if I created their next-door neighbor, or a villain tangentially relevant to their backstory, or whatever? I know not to play anybody's PCs, but I don't want to accidentally be playing someone's NPCs either. Personally, so long as you aren't making members of Shaun's immediate family, I'm pretty well good with outside creativity.
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Kaoru Miyamoto |
![Ghini](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/GhiniEagleye.jpg)
Actually, while I'm thinking about NPCs, how comfortable is everybody with making characters aimed to be part of other peoples' stories? Like, would anybody mind if I created their next-door neighbor, or a villain tangentially relevant to their backstory, or whatever? I know not to play anybody's PCs, but I don't want to accidentally be playing someone's NPCs either. Personally, so long as you aren't making members of Shaun's immediate family, I'm pretty well good with outside creativity.
How comfortable am I making NPCs that are part of other people's stories? Not very. Though slightly more comfortable now that I know your boundaries. I'd probably still PM you if I wanted to involve your background though, both to get buy-in and to make sure you knew what you were supposed to know about any people I made up. As to creating NPCs relevant to my backstory, I'm fine with that, but I would say probably stay away from anybody who would know Kaoru is a girl (which means anybody from her still unnamed hometown) for now at least. Partially because I'm enjoying having everybody treat her as a guy and partially because that might mess with some of my future plans.
Semi-related, can we get some details on Bone Daddy's moves/mechanics? I'm still not really sure how to run/make villain moves in combat. Though maybe Bone Daddy may not be the best example since we ended up mostly fighting his mooks. I'm also not really sure how to scale encounters/how to have 1 villain vs multiple villains vs X villains + mooks in a fight.
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Wingblade |
![Monk](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO1118-Monk_90.jpeg)
Re: NPC creation -- I definitely think caution is the way to go. Or, in the alternative, clear boundaries set in advance. For example, I wouldn't want anyone creating another "clone/sister" of Wingblade, nor would I want without prior approval someone dropping in a close relation to her. That part of her life is, in my opinion, mine to develop or leave as a mystery.
However, I wouldn't be opposed to encountering someone who had contributed to her project in an ancillary manner, or someone she had fought when she was exclusively a sidekick to Whippoorwill. So, similar to Kilt's request that no one drop a brand new family member on him without prior approval, I wouldn't want someone introducing a key part of Wingblade's past without it being run by me.
Re: Villain moves -- This is probably something we'll have to better define as we go forward. Villains have moves that they get whenever they receive a condition. That's no secret, and the selections are in the GM sheets found here.
However, they also have moves that are based on their powers and abilities. The rules suggest that these moves are big, unique, and clear in what they can do. When the GM creates a villain, the GM is expected to come up with 3-5 major moves that can then be used (and remember, villains don't have to roll for ANYTHING).
If someone introduces a villain and turns him or her over for an open brawl that allows anyone to affect and control that villain, then there's two ways to go about it. One, is to write up and publish (in the discussion page or in the character bible) what those signature moves are. If the creator doesn't list a bunch of moves, but lets us all know the basics of the power set, we could also allow anyone to come up with "spur of the moment" moves.
I did that with Bone Daddy, voluntarily choosing to give him a move along the line of the "kidnap a female hero" that was listed in some of his goals, but decided to make the more interesting, "turn a female hero into his temporary ally with the use of voodoo magic." Stuff like mind control is always a bit touchy, so voluntarily imposing it on your own character is probably the best way to go (since pvp and mind control is so common in comics and superhero cartoons/shows).
So, hopefully that helped? Let me know if anyone needs more rules on creating a villain move.
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Kaoru Miyamoto |
![Ghini](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/GhiniEagleye.jpg)
Hmm, I'm not sure I realized villains don't have to roll. But I guess that at least means I don't have to stat them or anything. Though it also means I need to be careful not to make moves too powerful. So my takeaway is to make/run some one-off villains before trying to do any fancy scenes.
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Kaoru Miyamoto |
![Ghini](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/GhiniEagleye.jpg)
If we're all getting racially based nicknames from Shaun, I call dibs on Little Tokyo. XD Works well since he's definitely taller than Kaoru.
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Bronwyn Pascal |
![Kazim](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PF21-06.jpg)
Sigh, dropping in references to my boy Fiyero in a campaign where I don't have a character around who gets theatre-kid jokes...
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Kaoru Miyamoto |
![Ghini](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/GhiniEagleye.jpg)
I don't have a wide range of theatre knowledge (which then limits Kaoru's knowledge), but Wicked is my favorite musical. I'm semi-trying to see more shows though since I went to NY over New Year's with my family and got to see a bunch of stuff on Broadway and was reminded that I rather enjoy watching shows.
Also, my proudest slasher moment is successfully convincing 2 non-slashers that the real love story was between Glinda/Elphaba. Tbh, not 100% sure that isn't meant to be canon because there's a lot of it. Especially since there's a legit quote in the Grimmerie that says "In the play we have the messy he-loves-her, she-loves-him, she-loves-him-too structure, and, to add even more confusion to the mix, the real love story is between the two ladies."
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Bronwyn Pascal |
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![Kazim](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PF21-06.jpg)
...................There are people who don't think it's about Glinda and Elphaba?
Have.... have they seen or heard any of their songs?!
I legitimately think that they'll just actually add a kiss at the end within the next ten years.
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Bronwyn Pascal |
![Kazim](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PF21-06.jpg)
First time I listened to the musical I got to that song and went, "Oh. Ohhhhhhhh."
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We can probably do a cut to destination, btw Kilt. I'm up in the air between Bronwyn taking him to use her key (she's very trustworthy) to the MakeSpace (probably the most sensible), taking him to her secret forge/training area in a junkyard (which is more fun and superhero-y, but is harder to say is particularly sterile), or just taking him to her house (obvious potential shenanigans).
So if you've got a preference, we can just run with it.
Bronwyn's house is pretty sprawling for the city. She's the youngest of six, and her parents never downsized after everyone else went away to college or moved out, so it can seem pretty empty even when everyone is home (which is rare). Her family's pretty wealthy but frugal, so there's a lot of nice stuff that's been repaired and refurbished more than once
The junkyard workout/forge space is behind a locked fence within a larger junkyard. It has a lot of plainly repurposed or handmade materials, including a handmade forge, a preposterously heavy chest that she'll have to figure out how to move without you noticing, and some makeshift barbells assembled out of I-Beams and compact cars.
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Alexis AKA Mercy |
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![Kazim](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PF21-06.jpg)
Broadway shipping has never been my thing. Shipping in anime, animation, and manga on the other hand is fun.
So now I'm gonna ship Shaun and Herman for fun. Bromance of the ages, going shirtless and flexing shiny muscles.
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Herman Kinner Hernandez Holder |
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![Sipho Munali](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO2963-Sipho.jpg)
Hahaha! I don't have a problem with shipping but I won't be doing it much. As a 41 year old teacher of grade and middle school, writing teen ships feels a) a little weird and creepy and b) not very interesting haha! Ship all you want, though! I'll focus on other teen dramas and let Herman be the cis straight teen male who isn't all about it heh.
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Kaoru Miyamoto |
![Ghini](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/GhiniEagleye.jpg)
...................There are people who don't think it's about Glinda and Elphaba?
Have.... have they seen or heard any of their songs?!
I legitimately think that they'll just actually add a kiss at the end within the next ten years.
I think a kiss during Defying Gravity might make more sense. I mean, they literally have the line "Kiss me goodbye" and Glinda is the ONLY one there. But I also gather than Idina Menzel and Kristen Chenoweth had some great on stage chemistry, which probably contributes to things. On her last night, Kristen did this improv "10 things to be popular" during Popular, and her last thing was something like, "Always be your amazing self".
But... they sang that unadulterated loathing song...
First time I heard that song, definitely did not see the "loathing" twist coming, haha. But also, you only need to change 2 words wherever they appear to fix it.
Broadway shipping has never been my thing. Shipping in anime, animation, and manga on the other hand is fun.
So now I'm gonna ship Shaun and Herman for fun. Bromance of the ages, going shirtless and flexing shiny muscles.
I slash indiscriminately across any and all media. If they do but blanch, I will know my course. But I'd be on board for some Shaun/Herman. Plus I do rather like the word "bromance".
Hahaha! I don't have a problem with shipping but I won't be doing it much. As a 41 year old teacher of grade and middle school, writing teen ships feels a) a little weird and creepy and b) not very interesting haha! Ship all you want, though! I'll focus on other teen dramas and let Herman be the cis straight teen male who isn't all about it heh.
I ignore ages. Otherwise, that removes most anime/manga characters since they all seem to be 14 for no clear reason.
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Bronwyn Pascal |
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![Kazim](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PF21-06.jpg)
No worries Herman - plenty of other good stuff to game and drama about :-)
Obviously I'm up for romantic subplots, but the age of the characters (and the restrictions of the site) are definitely good reasons to keep things PG-13 anyways.
And if anyone's ever uncomfortable about something, please feel free to PM me if you don't want to raise it in discussion. If I'm the one making you uncomfortable, feel free to ask someone else to PM me, or skip that step and just tell me someone else asked you to send this message :-p
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Kaoru Miyamoto |
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![Ghini](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/GhiniEagleye.jpg)
If tv has taught me anything, it's that communication is important (and that an insane amount of drama comes out of people not communicating for no clear reason). So on a similar note, while I'm obviously a huge slasher, if you want me to keep my slashiness to myself because I'm making you uncomfortable (or if I'm making your uncomfortable some other way), I can totally do that. And obviously, do whatever you want with your characters regardless of what I may or may not be shipping/pushing for (after all, this wouldn't be nearly as fun if I had full control). I can guarantee you that I'm not trying to make other players uncomfortable or feel pressured or anything. I just want to have a good time making some collaborative fiction with some cool people. :-)
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THE KILT |
![Barbarian](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO1114-Barbarian_90.jpeg)
If we're all getting racially based nicknames from Shaun, I call dibs on Little Tokyo. XD Works well since he's definitely taller than Kaoru.
;_; This was not my intention...!
There are people who don't think it's about Glinda and Elphaba?
Well, I mean, we still haven't gotten a movie version. Still some time to make it about them, if you catch my drift.
Also, Bronwyn, I'm down to go to one of those spots, but I did have an idea for something to do in the alleyway. Nothing important, but I'll leave it to you whether we leave and where we go. (Side note thought, the junkyard and house will yield "best results" from Shaun. ;D )
So now I'm gonna ship Shaun and Herman for fun. Bromance of the ages, going shirtless and flexing shiny muscles.
Okay, actually, I've been giving my boy some thought that regard, and while I'm totally down for anybody trying to woo him (IC or via Game Master puppetry), I do warn that a big part of his story is going to involve a less-than-ideal romantic relationship, so be warned, if you wanna get with him prepare for drama of the highest order.
But yes, we will have to make a gym date for my boy and Herman. :3
Obviously I'm up for romantic subplots, but the age of the characters (and the restrictions of the site) are definitely good reasons to keep things PG-13 anyways.
My rule of thumb for RPGs is that once the "door is closed" so to speak you should always fade to black. At most, describe the shirts coming off, but stop there. Stymied more than a few of those guys in my time as GM.
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Bronwyn Pascal |
![Kazim](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PF21-06.jpg)
If tv has taught me anything, it's that communication is important (and that an insane amount of drama comes out of people not communicating for no clear reason).
Exactly - Drama is for the Gameplay thread!
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Hmmmmm.... I think I'll leave the junkyard for later then. Go ahead and toss in your alley scene though, Kilt.
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Kaoru Miyamoto |
![Ghini](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/GhiniEagleye.jpg)
Karou wrote:If we're all getting racially based nicknames from Shaun, I call dibs on Little Tokyo. XD Works well since he's definitely taller than Kaoru.;_; This was not my intention...!
FWIW, I actually am 100% ok with Shaun using this on Kaoru. Kaoru wouldn't particularly like it, but that's only because she and Shaun have a terrible relationship right now.
Mercy wrote:So now I'm gonna ship Shaun and Herman for fun. Bromance of the ages, going shirtless and flexing shiny muscles.Okay, actually, I've been giving my boy some thought that regard, and while I'm totally down for anybody trying to woo him (IC or via Game Master puppetry), I do warn that a big part of his story is going to involve a less-than-ideal romantic relationship, so be warned, if you wanna get with him prepare for drama of the highest order.
Aww man, now I really want to know what you have planned! (But don't actually tell me because I want it to be a surprise. I just now think it needs to somehow happen).
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THE KILT |
![Barbarian](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO1114-Barbarian_90.jpeg)
I got more than enough plot lines for my boy as-is. I don’t need a racism subplot to juggle too.
Well, I mean, I could PM the plan to you, if ya want me to? Maybe just a teaser? (I’m totally not desperate to talk about it what are talking about you’re just crazy! 8/ )
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Wingblade |
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![Monk](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO1118-Monk_90.jpeg)
I'm going to chime in and also say that I'm all for relationship drama. I'm not easily offended, and nothing that I do in the game is designed as personal attacks on anyone. So please keep that in mind first before considering taking offense for anything I write. But I do intend to play a flawed, human character who is capable of making gut-wrenching mistakes but also rising above them. PMs and ooc comments or posts here in the discussion page can certainly help in the communication between players, but most of the time I'm totally fine with in-game lapses in communication that create new and interesting drama.
And Kaoru, I'm totally enamored of your slashiness and very flattered about how you've embraced the Bronwyn/Shayera relationship. :-D
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Hex - AKA. Cassie Helious |
![Ceoptra](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/lamiaqueen.jpg)
Feel free to ship Cassie however you like. Just bare in mind that she considers herself to be pretty much cis at the moment, and will respond appropriately. Not saying that other types of relationship are off the table - just happen to have other PCs that aren't cis ATM and wanted Cassie to be different (for now at least).
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Kaoru Miyamoto |
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![Ghini](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/GhiniEagleye.jpg)
Well, I mean, I could PM the plan to you, if ya want me to? Maybe just a teaser? (I’m totally not desperate to talk about it what are talking about you’re just crazy! 8/ )
Ahhh, so conflicted! Ok, twist my arm already; you can PM me stuff
And Kaoru, I'm totally enamored of your slashiness and very flattered about how you've embraced the Bronwyn/Shayera relationship. :-D
Yayyyy! Yeah, when I made Kaoru I definitely kinda thought she'd be the only one going through queer drama because...c'est la vie (though the majority of games I'm in, sexual orientation never comes up anyway). So I was pretty excited to discover that wasn't actually going to be the case. Was also pretty surprised to see Wingblade going through an ace arc since I really don't see that often/basically ever (Kaoru's a gray-ace/probably demisexual. Not that she knows that or has ever heard those terms before).
Re: Cis- Is 'cis' a new way of referring to straight people that I've never heard of before? If so I maybe have some linguistic complaints that nobody actually cares about. I've only ever heard it used in the context of gender (cisgender vs transgender), but y'all seem to be using it in the context of sexual orientation?
But yes, definitely have nothing against straight people/characters. I just like throwing some more rainbows into the mix. ;-P
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Hex - AKA. Cassie Helious |
![Ceoptra](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/lamiaqueen.jpg)
Re: Cis- Is 'cis' a new way of referring to straight people that I've never heard of before? If so I maybe have some linguistic complaints that nobody actually cares about. I've only ever heard it used in the context of gender (cisgender vs transgender), but y'all seem to be using it in the context of sexual orientation?
No, You're right - just a poor choice of words on my behalf. Should have said straight (although, she is cis)... I'll do better next time.
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Wingblade |
![Monk](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO1118-Monk_90.jpeg)
Re: Cis- Is 'cis' a new way of referring to straight people that I've never heard of before? If so I maybe have some linguistic complaints that nobody actually cares about. I've only ever heard it used in the context of gender (cisgender vs transgender), but y'all seem to be using it in the context of sexual orientation?
I think I've done the same thing. :-/ Honestly, there's so many terms and concepts these days, I might be using it incorrectly (though I'm pretty sure I've seen/heard cisgender being used to refer to traditional hetero orientation, I guess because "straight" implies "normal" which is a no-no).
But I suppose it's better to presume I'm clueless.
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Kaoru Miyamoto |
![Ghini](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/GhiniEagleye.jpg)
Ok, I just wanted to make sure I was understanding correctly/not missing out on some new way of using words that I was unfamiliar with. :-)
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Kaoru Miyamoto |
![Ghini](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/GhiniEagleye.jpg)
The "And you along with it" wasn't meant to be part of the text. It's what Kaoru was thinking as she typed that. :-P I can roll with it if we want though and just say she was too tired to notice she also typed that.
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Herman Kinner Hernandez Holder |
![Sipho Munali](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO2963-Sipho.jpg)
Dropping this in all my games. I started a new work assignment today that leaves me with less posting time. How much less I'm not sure, but my teacher hours mean I can still post every day. I'm not quitting by any means, just letting you know my posting hours will be more limited.
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Bran the Blessed |
![Sir Holton](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/8.SerHolton.jpg)
D'oh! Bad copypasta on my part, I'll edit to fix that up.
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Bronwyn Pascal |
![Kazim](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PF21-06.jpg)
Edit's up
Also, posting everyday should be totally fine Herman :-p
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Kaoru Miyamoto |
![Ghini](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/GhiniEagleye.jpg)
Man guys, here I thought Kaoru was finally going to have a social interaction she felt in control of. She was going to sit back and smirk as she asked Alexandra and Alexis awkward questions and see how they dodged them. And then Alexis throws me a curve ball. XD
But also, seriously? 2 provoke rolls both too high for me to meaningfully affect with Mary Contrary? Y'all killing me.
This must be what Shaun felt like that time on the roof. Omg, Shaun, I think you're totally right about our characters. o_O
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Bronwyn Pascal |
![Kazim](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PF21-06.jpg)
Bronwyn by default has Track M-F. (Not familiar with M<3 though?)
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Alexandra E. Walker |
![Shema Sarwar](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/PZO9539-Sehema_90.jpeg)
(monsterhearts, a game about being monsters in high school, who are also incidentally vampires and werewolves and fairies) Just, the general rule of choosing a "charged" place to set a scene.
alos, RE: communication. I'm playing ALexandra as pretty open about sexuality and pretty... willing to not let it be a big deal. I am with kilt on "fade to black" (I've watched a few games devolve into poorly written Erotica. Once in person... [is]Shudder[/i] And I never want to do that myself.) But yeah, She also uses flirtation as a tactic to put someone on their back foot. SO do PM me if I push it too far. we probably won't hit my limit first.
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Kaoru Miyamoto |
![Ghini](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/GhiniEagleye.jpg)
Who are you? I really wanna know.
I'm enjoying watching Alexandra pull people off balance.
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Bran the Blessed |
![Sir Holton](http://cdn.paizo.com/image/avatar/8.SerHolton.jpg)
Me too!
(Edited in a reply to Alexandra)