Never in doubt...
Wow! That was some rolling there Kriger! In extremis!
Wow.
Just, wow.
I'm glad Kriger is on our side!
Never in doubt...
Lol!
Man what an insane battle. Talk about an emotional roller coaster beatdown. Wore. Me. Out. First it's like: 'Should be good. A couple more rounds and I should have this one.' Next thing I know it's like: 'Freaking great! I'm about to get dropped like a bad habit. All I needed to roll is NOT A 1! Ugh!'
Whew! is pretty much all I can say now. :)
That's a good question. I will say I'm curious as to what the others think we ought to do. I guess the perfect scenario would be to assign one of their own members as their new leader. Kriger figured claiming to be leader would help free the slaves. That was his ultimate goal in that regard. Win and be leader or if not win, then at the very least buy enough time for them to escape. (Obviously I wanted to win but it was NOT looking good.) :P
But like I said, I'm open to suggestions from my fellow party members on what to do with these dudes. You guys may have an something that might work for us.
Kriger can be official leader and appoint a lieutenant.
The ‘leadership’ feat is an option for next level?
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Not so sure I'm big on the 'Leadership' feat to be honest. Although I will say I don't know a whole lot about it because I've never dealt with it. So I'm not totally sure what it entails. I know there's a cohort type guy. Yeah that's all I got. :P
Gaming wise, is there something we can actually do with these guys? I mean, like Kalsgrim said, if Mass combat comes into play then they would be handy in that regard. But I'm not sure Kingmaker has that. I think that first came in on Wrath of the Righteous, right? Not totally sure. I guess it could've started in KM. *Shrugs*
Anyway, really tough to figure out seeing how I've never been in this situation. This is totally new to me so I'm kind of waaaaaay out in left field here. :P
I reckon we can use them anyway.
Freiland will inevitably have lawless borders.
If one border is maintained by a semi-loyal tribe who trade with us and can provide irregulars then that’s a win for Freiland.
Javell, it is up to how you want to develop Kriger. He can take different roles regarding the tribe: leader, micro-manager, always-away-at-meetings macro-manager, wise guide, shepherd, terrible tyrant who collects his dues, respected fellow...
As for the mechanics, they can follow what Javell wants, instead of Kriger. So if you want rules light, then we can have the tribe as flavour. If it comes in handy at some point to have certain things more fleshed out, then we can do so.
I guess what I'm saying is, let it serves Kriger's story first, then worry about rules only if we wish.
And no pressure either way. Kriger can simply walk out. He's Kriger. He's up there with Chuck Norris...
Okay, that sounds cool. Will ponder that then.
Oh! and I almost forgot...
And no pressure either way. Kriger can simply walk out. He's Kriger. He's up there with Chuck Norris...
Lol!
Okay, I think what Kalsgrim and Mal mentioned are good stuff. They would definitely be useful in patrolling the western border. Or whichever border. That and the whole 'Irregulars' thing. That'd be cool. IF something like actually comes into play that is. Obviously if not then it's not even an issue.
And I also like that 'macro-management' bit you mentioned DW. That really seems more like Kriger. (Now me? I'd totally be a micro-manager. Civilization anyone? Yep. I control everything in that game. It's quite tedious and tiring, but, I can't help it. I want it done right!). :P
But that's not Kriger. Definitely more of the making sure things are running 'smooth' so to speak but not the involved with every detail of everything every single day. Yeah that's not him. Definitely wants to be involved to make sure things stay on the up and up but not to the point of having to watch everyone like a hawk day and night.
And probably appoint some type of '2nd in command' type guy maybe. Probably this guy here...
...and to their human leader. The leader has already bent his knee and bowed his head in devotion,...
Anyway, something to that effect.
And whatever Kalsgrim or Malaswyn may have to add to that that might be more beneficial than what I've thrown out there or whatever.
Crap! And Marcel. And Oberlin too. Sorry fellas. Man for some reason I totally blanked on y'all. No idea why. Absolute apologies. That's totally my bad. Please speak up as well if y'all have any thoughts on this. All opinions are welcome. :)
So all the talk about the tribe is great and all, but Marcel will not have anything to do with the monsters that are part of it - which we appear to have forgotten in the rush to feast. Given what he's witnessed, he is acting.
Now at 12th level, and assuming these are normal ogres, Marcel can play the running hide-and-shoot game all day and night; most likely killing all of them. This is certainly his plan. Spread the fear of the unseen killer among them.
I'm curious to see how this goes, but be certain Marcel has vengeance vs the ogres on his mind. While he hasn't has time to think about it yet, I'm sure he will find the Tiger Lords complicit in this massacre in some way.
Oberlin approves. A world without ogres would be a bit brighter. Filthy creatures, in more ways than one.
Sarenrae teaches redemption.
She also teaches retribution for the irredeemable.
How about the new chief make the declaration on getting rid of the ogres and be done with it? :)
Something along the lines off ‘these ogres kill human children for sport. They have no place among the tribe.’
I'm just waiting for the right moment Kals. With you guys closing in on the trouble, that time is coming really quick.
Well, for something that was an afterthought in the books, that was pretty cool. I totally did not expect OM to drop the defile and what happened to the missing kids! I hope no one minds what I did with that. there's some parental rage coming out there - I have two kids of my own.
To answer an earlier question, the Mass Combat rules were started with the Kingmaker AP in mind. The base version of those rules came out at the same time as the AP, before they ever showed up in Ultimate Campaign. The UC version is a more polished version. The Tiger Lords as part of that would be great. Along those lines, did this campaign meet with/ally with the centaurs to the east of Varnhold? My RL players had them as an allied force as well.
As far as where to go next, I'm not sure yet, as Oberlin and I haven't been officially offered a spot in the kingdom in-game yet. Even then, I'd have to figure out how we are operating the kingdom stuff, etc.
Been a ton of fun so far, thanks for letting me in!
Now that is interesting(The whole Mass combat rules bit coming out at the same time as the AP specifically). I did not know that.
And I don't recall any centaurs. But it's been a while and I tend to forget things. :P
Yes, you've met with centaurs and have a pact of sorts with them about their territory.
Kriger should know who the children are.
They were hostages taken by the Tiger Lords to keep the Baron’s people quiet.
Kriger should know who the children are.
They were hostages taken by the Tiger Lords to keep the Baron’s people quiet.
You know, that's probably right. Kriger should know, shouldn't he? Of course, I don't(although, I probably should). :P
Edit: Wait! Are they from that castle(I guess) where that crazy chick jumped off the balcony and we never found her body?
Also when we get back to civilization, let's not forget to update our equipment to our current level.
Kriger should know who the children are.
They were hostages taken by the Tiger Lords to keep the Baron’s people quiet.
You know, that's probably right. Kriger should know, shouldn't he? Of course, I don't(although, I probably should). :P
Edit: Wait! Are they from that castle(I guess) where that crazy chick jumped off the balcony and we never found her body?
Yes, they’re from Fort Drelev.
Malaswyn is concerned about the people at Fort Drelev.
He plans to spend some time there, helping to comfort grieving parents and traumatised child survivors.
He also wants to make sure that the Baron's children are doing okay.
More broadly, Malaswyn will also want to keep an eye on the whole land: he can use wind-walk and word of recall to get about. The capital is bound to get attention as we will (presumably) be back there but he will worry about neglecting the periphery.
He will also look to recruit more clerics of Sarenrae to spread the faith and minister to communities across Frieland.
Also, looking at the kingdom map and the state of Providence (from 2017!), I reckon it might be time for a multi-faith temple in the capital.
Something which covers Adabar and Sarenrae as core faiths, but with shrines for worship of the other good gods (and Pharasma)?
Yes, sorry.
The shrine to Adabar was the price of raise dead.
Maybe that can be incorporated into a temple?
I plan to take Leadership next level but leave my acolytes in Providence.
One value is someone who can raise Malaswyn, if needs be.
Nice job everyone!
We're technically out of Book 4. Although I want to make sure with everyone that I can close this part and move on before I post in the IC thread.
The main unresolved item is the sword.
The other unresolved item is the tribe and its relation to Drelev Fort. As the Tiger Lords were invaders and killed a lot of people there, they can't really occupy the same territory. At least not without a lot of work.
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From my end, I would say that the group is starting to have more of an identity, with interactions between them that are more and more enjoyable to read. I can tell you that I plan on putting you in situations to stimulate these 'groundings of character personality' again.
Has it really been since 2017 that the kingdom has advanced?
Well, all of book 4 takes place within a few days/weeks, so by kingdom’s perspective, a blink.
I think we also opted (or I opted) to keep the kingdom in the background from then on, as it was a nice feature, but quite time consuming (at least for me).
Yeah, I was just interested in seeing the map, really.
Yes, managing the kingdom via PBP is pretty difficult.
Granted it is fun doing the kingdom building, but I can't disagree with the time it does consume.
The other unresolved item is the tribe and its relation to Drelev Fort. As the Tiger Lords were invaders and killed a lot of people there, they can't really occupy the same territory. At least not without a lot of work.
Then I say we move them. If that's a possibility of course.
They’re invaders... they can ‘return to their ancestral homelands’’
You will quickly discover that the Tiger Lords have recently moved away from their 'ancestral homeland,' which started getting a bit cramped for their taste, and sought to expand their territory. This still seem like their focus and raison d'être.
Unfortunately, Mendev is to the north, and the Worldwound to the NW. West of Numeria is Ustalav. None of these is good for expansion.
Exactly. That's kind of why they chose this area. Or so it seems... ;)
You also know they had started invaded Frieland's territory, which is what brought you to fight them.
OM, could you reveal the rest of the places we have been in the map? So we can think about where to steer the Tiger Lords.
Maybe we need to solve their problem then? Get rid of whatever drove them out?
I thought they followed 'Armag' here? Whatever he was cooking up, besides getting the sword. I suppose Kriger could ask, get the feeling of the tribal elders and see how best to move them.
What are we doing about the sword? Maybe do some research at Providence or Restov to see how best to deal with it.
OM said ‘a bit cramped’ not sure why?
We could use stone shape to seal off the sword. And bury it. Until we complete our research?