Dungeon Master Death Keeper's Rise of the Runelords

Game Master Death_Keeper

Ed you're in.

Post an arrival.

here is the character but need to change some stuff for core only.

I believe I need to remove traits and I think there is one spell that I need to change (chord of shards spell i don't think is core)

FireclawDrake wrote:

Bards are super easy with Core rules.

Arcane Strike is awesome, and Core.

Only thing they miss is Lingering Performance, but Extra Music can almost make up for that.

I meant managing to steal the rouge's job.

Trapfinding... next level, anyway.

Just a heads up... I do apply a 3% experience reduction for dual classing.

Pathfinder got rid of it (I think) but it makes sense to me

(Another heads up) I DO give out rp exp which is exempt from above rule

Why?

/Especially/ half-elves, who are /meant/ to multiclass?

You're so hard on the core rules, and then you throw out that home rule? You're so confusing....

Multitalented: Half-elves choose two favored classes at first level and gain +1 hit point or +1 skill point whenever they take a level in either one of those classes.

Aren't our options restricted enough? Wy penalize us for getting creative with blending classes?

Why?

Especially half-elves, who are /meant/ to dual class?

You know more things but since you're training is split it takes you longer.

Also helps to balance Jack of all trades and multitaskers

Since almost every skill is class

WHAT
pathfinder already does the whole favored class thing
and even 3.5 didn't do that until after the 2nd class
how are you saying core only but then use a houserule nerf

this ruins my plans for arcane trickster -_-

Yay! Ed is here. ^_^
Are we on fast(please!) Mid or slow exp?

Remember DK that favoured classes shouldn't count forthat penalty, since they did that in 3.5.

icehawk333 wrote:

Why?

Especially half-elves, who are /meant/ to dual class?

You know more things but since you're training is split it takes you longer.

Also helps to balance Jack of all trades and multitaskers

Since almost every skill is class

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

The only benefit you get from having something "class" is a +3 to the skill.

Also, jack of all trades characters are /awful/ in pathfinder.

The pathfinder game was made to make it so that taking more levels in one class is better then spreading them out.

WHAT

pathfinder already does the whole favored class thing
and even 3.5 didn't do that until after the 2nd class
how are you saying core only but then use a houserule nerf

this ruins my plans for arcane trickster -_-

Favored class is... non core.

And 97/100 XP

Its not like I cut it by 50%

Favoured Class is most definitely Core.

I don't care either way, but it does seem even more limiting.
I don't like multiclassing much at all, so I'm fine, especially with how good Pally gets later on.

Lord Foul II wrote:

WHAT

pathfinder already does the whole favored class thing
and even 3.5 didn't do that until after the 2nd class
how are you saying core only but then use a houserule nerf

this ruins my plans for arcane trickster -_-

Favored class is... non core.

And 97/100 XP

Its not like I cut it by 50%

No! No it is not!

In the core rule book, this is here-

Multitalented: Half-elves choose two favored classes at first level and gain +1 hit point or +1 skill point whenever they take a level in either one of those classes.

Seriously, know your stuff!

I was already going to be several caster levels behind and now this -_-
there goes trying to make this original in the slightest

Favoured Class is most definitely Core.

You're so foreign. You spell Favored with a U. HeHe. :P

Lord Foul II wrote:

WHAT

pathfinder already does the whole favored class thing
and even 3.5 didn't do that until after the 2nd class
how are you saying core only but then use a houserule nerf

this ruins my plans for arcane trickster -_-

Favored class is... non core.

And 97/100 XP

Its not like I cut it by 50%

where the heck are you getting this?

Lord Foul II wrote:

WHAT

pathfinder already does the whole favored class thing
and even 3.5 didn't do that until after the 2nd class
how are you saying core only but then use a houserule nerf

this ruins my plans for arcane trickster -_-

Favored class is... non core.

And 97/100 XP

Its not like I cut it by 50%

Seriously, here's the thing- even 3% while dealing with higher numbers is a lot later on.

You multiclass early like me, at the end of the game, i very well may be a level behind everyone else,must because i took /one/ level of fighter.

I was already going to be several caster levels behind and now this -_-

there goes trying to make this original in the slightest

I don't advise arcane trickster, personally. We need a dedicated wizard, and we already have a rouge....

Favoured Class is most definitely Core.

My mistake, it was over classes, not under. And the penalty will not count against favored class.

Fine by me.

I just find it annoying when the party has different XP totals as a GM, but that's my preference.

Fine by me.

I just find it annoying when the party has different XP totals as a GM, but that's my preference.

I find it more realistic and fun... more work for me... but satisfying....

Sure, more realistic, but likely frustrating.
No-one likes being the party weak link.
Same reason stats aren't rolled usually.
I know if i ever felt useless, I'd just leave, or kill off the charecter, and make a new, broken one.

I am just upset because I'm already weakening the character by giving up caster levels and school abilities

now I am going to level later, potentially even being down a level

or more likely just not go with the concept

which is a shame because I liked it, it fit with the backstory and the concept

and it helped me stand apart and be different from every other elf wizard in existence

I am just upset because I'm already weakening the character by giving up caster levels and school abilities

now I am going to level later, potentially even being down a level

or more likely just not go with the concept

which is a shame because I liked it, it fit with the backstory and the concept

and it helped me stand apart and be different from every other elf wizard in existence

O.o

You haven't read anything I've messaged have you?

Favored class + other class still equals 100% XP.
Prestige classes aren't dual class.

So what are you complaining about.... exactly?

that not only do you not make sense or listen to your players but that you also don't communicate well.

ok updated for core only...

changes made

removed Chord of Shards spell
removed Lingering performance feat
removed traits and their effects

added Sleep spell
added Extra Performance feat

now to verify ability scores are correct

all in the alias profile

I am just upset because I'm already weakening the character by giving up caster levels and school abilities

now I am going to level later, potentially even being down a level

or more likely just not go with the concept

which is a shame because I liked it, it fit with the backstory and the concept

and it helped me stand apart and be different from every other elf wizard in existence

Hay, a good way to stand out from other elf wizards? Have an odd personalty.

Other then this one level, I'm (probobly) going straight rouge, possibly (but unlikely) shadow dancer.

My uniqueness? I'm-

Wholly convinced that my blade is welded to my arm

Creepy as ****, dispite being quite nice.

that not only do you not make sense or listen to your players but that you also don't communicate well.

Actually, he did. /You/ don't pay enough attention.

I think the main thing DK is trying to prevent is builds like Zix's, or silly people who dip 1 level this or 1 level that here and there for things like Mutagen/Rage, etc.

I think the main thing DK is trying to prevent is builds like Zix's, or silly people who dip 1 level this or 1 level that here and there for things like Mutagen/Rage, etc.

I came across a mutagen/sneak attack/bane one hit kill from an equal level alchemist/rogue/inquisitor....

I was a level 10 elf wizard hit for 159 points because of a critical sneak attack scythe with true strike coming out of an inn...

I can't stand builds like that having no penalty to learning at all...

Dude must've had no BAB at all though, so if he misses that attack (or even if it doesn't crit), he's going to be fairly useless afterwards.

FireclawDrake wrote:

I think the main thing DK is trying to prevent is builds like Zix's, or silly people who dip 1 level this or 1 level that here and there for things like Mutagen/Rage, etc.

I came across a mutagen/sneak attack/bane one hit kill from an equal level alchemist/rogue/inquisitor....

I was a level 10 elf wizard hit for 159 points because of a critical sneak attack scythe with true strike coming out of an inn...

I can't stand builds like that having no penalty to learning at all...

Funny, within your rules, a half elf could still do it.

(Joking around here)

Death_Keeper wrote:

FireclawDrake wrote:

I think the main thing DK is trying to prevent is builds like Zix's, or silly people who dip 1 level this or 1 level that here and there for things like Mutagen/Rage, etc.

I came across a mutagen/sneak attack/bane one hit kill from an equal level alchemist/rogue/inquisitor....

I was a level 10 elf wizard hit for 159 points because of a critical sneak attack scythe with true strike coming out of an inn...

I can't stand builds like that having no penalty to learning at all...

Funny, within your rules, a half elf could still do it.

(Joking around here)

no they couldn't

no they couldn't

both inquisitor and alchemist are non core

I meant...

Or on the Internet.

Dude must've had no BAB at all though, so if he misses that attack (or even if it doesn't crit), he's going to be fairly useless afterwards.

I had no AC.... it was lower than ten....

So, does this mean we're ready to start?

So, does this mean we're ready to start?

tomorrow afternoon.

I am sorry for delaying people
it's just frustration at the limits of the character and the lack of trust that it implies
but with the clarified information about what he means it turns out this latest restriction doesn't affect my character so I will buckle under the requirements and not deliberately delay us any further

ok updated fully now.

updated stats for 15 point buy (was a 20 point buy before.)

I do believe Fulito is ready to go.

hope you are ready for him his non-combat capabilities will dazzle and amaze! his combat abilities will entertain and amuze!

I am sorry for delaying people

it's just frustration at the limits of the character and the lack of trust that it implies
but with the clarified information about what he means it turns out this latest restriction doesn't affect my character so I will buckle under the requirements and not deliberately delay us any further

How is "core only so my tabletop players have the same experience as you all" lack of trust?

The 3% penalty isn't lack of trust as it is my personal view on how it should be.

it only began to look as that when you showed you were fine with implementing your own home rules

especially when none of your players liked the rule, and several were vocal in telling you so (me most so)

but in any case about 30-40% of my problem with this was lack of communication
and 10-20% was lack of sleep making me ornery

either way I am ok to play now

it only began to look as that when you showed you were fine with implementing your own home rules

but in any case about 30-40% of my problem with this was lack of communication
and 10-20% was lack of sleep making me ornery

either way I am ok to play now

Okay, will have a gplay up in 30 ish

cool :)

Festival games include but are not limited to: weight lifting, sack race, tug of war, balance beams, pie eating, hog tying, juggling and the like

Who wants to meet the pally? People can meet me in the town. :)

Well, there is a woman with a blade made of solid obsidian with a small disk on it's side attached to her arm wandering around, you could talk to her.

and an elf juggling balls of light.

there was a halfling singing but some sour-puss music hater showed up.

Does anyone want to talk to /me/?

Not i.