Dungeon Master Death Keeper's Rise of the Runelords

Game Master Death_Keeper

I was going to go with a feint build, but i can't use a crossbow and feint in the same round because it takes a move action to load the dang thing.

And doesn't everyone, including npc's, get max hp at first level?

Eldon Underbough wrote:

Here is my character DK.

I've got a whole backstory and a bunch of stuff planned, but I'm kinda done with writing this for now, and the Avalon game needs my attention.

K. Did you use avg gold?

Yup. 70 for a druid.

Oh, the Boar is wearing Leather Armour, I'll make sure to note that.

And doesn't everyone, including npc's, get max hp at first level?

Nope. That's one of the things that distinguishes PCs from NPC. NPCs don't get max first level HP. (And neither do animal companions)

I was going to go with a feint build, but i can't use a crossbow and feint in the same round because it takes a move action to load the dang thing.

Shoot, move in.

Feint attack.

2 turns 2 sa

14 damage average maybe 16 can't recall....

Hunh. That makes lv 1 a joke if you know what you're doing...

there are dex based ranger and fighter builds, and rangers get hide in plain sights and are pretty good at other rouge stuff

if we were allowed archetypes I would suggest urban ranger but that's neither here nor there

I was thinking about making constructs and taking ranks in disable device

Hunh. That makes lv 1 a joke if you know what you're doing...

An unlucky crit can still kill you though xD.

Also, yes. Level 1 is a joke, until the dice betray you.

icehawk333 wrote:

I was going to go with a feint build, but i can't use a crossbow and feint in the same round because it takes a move action to load the dang thing.

Shoot, move in.

Feint attack.

2 turns 2 sa

14 damage average maybe 16 can't recall....

Oh yeah, you can feint at a range.

Nvm, idea is once again stupid.

icehawk333 wrote:

Hunh. That makes lv 1 a joke if you know what you're doing...

An unlucky crit can still kill you though xD.

Also, yes. Level 1 is a joke, until the dice betray you.

yeah, crits will kill you at totally random, making you restart everything.

Death_Keeper wrote:

icehawk333 wrote:

I was going to go with a feint build, but i can't use a crossbow and feint in the same round because it takes a move action to load the dang thing.

Shoot, move in.

Feint attack.

2 turns 2 sa

14 damage average maybe 16 can't recall....

Oh yeah, you can feint at a range.

Nvm, idea is once again stupid.

I meant.... you can feint at range?

I meant shoot... move in. Feint stab the bastard with a sword

didn't you have an idea for a cleric earlier?

Oh, and what happens to c-bow users one they get more then one attack?

Oh, and what happens to c-bow users one they get more then one attack?

they do the same only repeatedly stab

they take the rapid reload feat.

icehawk333 wrote:

Death_Keeper wrote:

icehawk333 wrote:

I was going to go with a feint build, but i can't use a crossbow and feint in the same round because it takes a move action to load the dang thing.

Shoot, move in.

Feint attack.

2 turns 2 sa

14 damage average maybe 16 can't recall....

Oh yeah, you can feint at a range.

Nvm, idea is once again stupid.

I meant.... you can feint at range?

I meant shoot... move in. Feint stab the bastard with a sword

Can't. Sorry, not can.

The reason i like c-bow is because they don't use str for DMG.

I wanna dump str- any dex based rouge i make uses their dex to make up for thier low str, but that can't be done if str is what damage is based off of. So i use crossbows, witch are useless here, because rapid reload, the only thing that makes them worth anything, is not core.

In other words, the entire design is unplayable.

icehawk333 wrote:

Oh, and what happens to c-bow users one they get more then one attack?

they do the same only repeatedly stab

I'm trying to make dex effective without str.

Rapid Reload is in fact Core, but has received updates in later books to include firearms. It's in the CRB, and it makes a light crossbow reload a free action.

Rapid Reload is in fact Core, but has received updates in later books to include firearms. It's in the CRB, and it makes a light crossbow reload a free action.

Really? I thought it came from ultimate combat....

Anyway... Now I've just got to find a way to actually get sneak attack damage...

I'm trying to avoid a charecter that would simply be better if it was a fighter...

Is that even possible, or should i stop tying for that?

be within 30 ft?

have a shadowcloy lantern (dim light grants concealment) and stealth

grab improved initiative and go first thus granting one sneak attack

flank

Well, rogues do get 6 more SP per level, and trapfinding, uncanny dodge, evasion, plus rogue talents are pretty nice.

be within 30 ft?

have a shadowcloy lantern (dim light grants concealment) and stealth

grab improved initiative and go first thus granting one sneak attack

flank

Showcloy lantern. Try affording that, /and/ not passing off the group for being unable to see.

You cannot flank with a ranged weapon. Ever.

You are not flat footed if you move after your opponent unless it is a surprise round.

Well, rogues do get 6 more SP per level, and trapfinding, uncanny dodge, evasion, plus rogue talents are pretty nice.

Combat effectiveness. I don't want to be dead weight in combat by comparison to if i was a fighter.

Seriously, does anything not magic compete with a feat per level and full bab? (One from normal progression, one from fighter)

Take ranks in UMD and get wands/potions of invisibility/greater invisibility?

meet in the middle with ranger,
now you are a stealthy bab 1 for 1 dude with decent skills per level and d10 hp and I think they get medium armor proficiency, I'm not sure, I rarely play fighter types.

Conusumables, great way to spend all my money...

Gah, who cares. I'll just be useless in combat.

meet in the middle with ranger,

now you are a stealthy bab 1 for 1 dude with decent skills per level and d10 hp and I think they get medium armor proficiency, I'm not sure, I rarely play fighter types.

No. I already said no.

Conusumables, great way to spend all my money...

Gah, who cares. I'll just be useless in combat.

Really? Cause... 50 charges in Greater Invis is like 420gp a fight... and remember, you can have the Wizard cast it on you.

Also... Greater Invis means that you hit flatfooted AC, gets +2 to hit, etc.

or play something different, yes we are severely limited by Core rules, but not irredeemably so,
there exist other classes
and you could even have the same class as someone else
you could be a bard or a ranger with favored terrain (urban) and most of his favored enemies as humanoids
you could be a shadow bloodline sorcerer

or play something different, yes we are severely limited by Core rules, but not irredeemably so,

there exist other classes
and you could even have the same class as someone else
you could be a bard or a ranger with favored terrain (urban) and most of his favored enemies as humanoids
you could be a shadow bloodline sorcerer

Not.

icehawk333 wrote:

Conusumables, great way to spend all my money...

Gah, who cares. I'll just be useless in combat.

Really? Cause... 50 charges in Greater Invis is like 420gp a fight... and remember, you can have the Wizard cast it on you.

Also... Greater Invis means that you hit flatfooted AC, gets +2 to hit, etc.

The evocation wizard?

FireclawDrake wrote:

icehawk333 wrote:

Conusumables, great way to spend all my money...

Gah, who cares. I'll just be useless in combat.

Really? Cause... 50 charges in Greater Invis is like 420gp a fight... and remember, you can have the Wizard cast it on you.

Also... Greater Invis means that you hit flatfooted AC, gets +2 to hit, etc.

The evocation wizard?

Right... cause Evokers never prepare illusion spells >_>

A wizard's strength is in his versatility, not being able to blast things hard and often. That's what Sorcerers are for IMO.

Yeah, but i know the /player/.

He's going to restrict illusion and something else, and never prepare them.

Here I am.
Quirks:
Constantly Polishing my Armor makes it shiny and distracting, earning me the nickname in the guild back home, "Sir Lense Flare."

Cannot sleep without 30 minutes of rereading his religious text that he already know by heart by now.

Anyway, Im just... Mental breakdown....
Then I'll be back.

wizard not arcanist, and conjuration now instead of evocation, I said so a while back, it was intended to give you someone to flank with,
which means I can still cast it,
plus Druids get spontaneous summon nature's ally spells

and that's not an entirely fair accusation, you've not seen me play a wizard

that said

enchantment was the first to go

now I'm trying to decide between divination, illusion and transmutation

Here I am.

Quirks:
Constantly Polishing my Armor makes it shiny and distracting, earning me the nickname in the guild back home, "Sir Lense Flare."

Cannot sleep without 30 minutes of rereading his religious text that he already know by heart by now.

lense flare?

That was more of a joke and an allusion.
"Sir Flash A Lot" also works.

That was more of a joke and an allusion.

"Sir Flash A Lot" also works.

.... I Come back, and i see this.

how about, "Sir Shiny"

I already have my statement uppon us meeting planned out

wizard not arcanist, and conjuration now instead of evocation, I said so a while back, it was intended to give you someone to flank with,

which means I can still cast it,
plus Druids get spontaneous summon nature's ally spells

and that's not an entirely fair accusation, you've not seen me play a wizard

that said

enchantment was the first to go

now I'm trying to decide between divination, illusion and transmutation

Those are the three most useful! ;D

Honestly, ban Evocation for the lulz! (Or Necromancy, poo poo on Necromancy ;P)

You all won't know the name they call me back home.
You get to make one up.

Eldon is a worshipper of Erastil, despite being a druid. As a both a Halfling as a druid, he feels a bond to the land and to the people, torn between his sense of community and his desire to be in the natural world.

So, in service to his deity, he helps to tend the fields outside Sandpoint, and his boar really likes to dig for truffles. :)
Bascially, he lives in a strange world between a community man and a loner.

fair enough

I gotta think of a name.... hmmm

Now, nothing looks good....

And then, everything came to mind all at once...

STR: 10 DEX: 20 CON: 10 INT: 12 WIS: 7 CHA: 10

Alignment- chaotic "good"

Quirks-
Kleptomaniac. Steals things, then gives them back, before proceeding to give a lecture about how unaware they are or how they can batter protect thier things.

Likes to taste blood off of his dagger after he stabs someone.

He doesn't seem to have a history. If he does, he isn't telling anyone about it.

I would like to use the non-core material obsidian as a re-texture, if that is fine.

Any problems? Concerns?

I think DK is asleep for the night,but that sounds fine by me.