Dungeon Master Death Keeper's Rise of the Runelords

Game Master Death_Keeper

This is for discussion of Characters and Players, please don't Metagame and use info from here in gameplay.

Posting so I can find this again.

Posting so I can find this again.

perfect; starting character ideas?

Oh, core only? I'm not all that interested now.

Sorry, but core is too binding, in my opinion.

Oh, core only? I'm not all that interested now.

Sorry, but core is too binding, in my opinion.

I'm trying to create the same set of rules my tabletop players will have. I dont have many books so I must keep it simple.

You dont have to play. I can get someone else

Well, core only excludes oracle, majus, any feat tree other then TWF and archery for ranger....
It's prittymuch saying, if you ask me, "i don't trust my players to come in with honest, unbroken material, so I'm going to bind them to nothin but the most basic rules."

"Core only" seems to be a lack of trust in my eyes.

But that's just me.

Might as well play... I think I'll just look up an iconic and play that.

Well, core only excludes oracle, majus, any feat tree other then TWF and archery for ranger....

It's prittymuch saying, if you ask me, "i don't trust my players to come in with honest, unbroken material, so I'm going to bind them to nothin but the most basic rules."

"Core only" seems to be a lack of trust in my eyes.

But that's just me.

Might as well play... I think I'll just look up an iconic and play that.

its not just because game is breakable. but this is the only physical book I own besides the GM books. I'm still wanting original characters.

all of my 10,000+ books on my flashdrive are gone...

I think that "base" also counts, right?

I think that "base" also counts, right?

No.

I think that "base" also counts, right?

??? what?

icehawk333 wrote:

Well, core only excludes oracle, majus, any feat tree other then TWF and archery for ranger....

It's prittymuch saying, if you ask me, "i don't trust my players to come in with honest, unbroken material, so I'm going to bind them to nothin but the most basic rules."

"Core only" seems to be a lack of trust in my eyes.

But that's just me.

Might as well play... I think I'll just look up an iconic and play that.

its not just because game is breakable. but this is the only physical book I own besides the GM books. I'm still wanting original characters.

all of my 10,000+ books on my flashdrive are gone...

There is d20pfsrd, has pritty much everything from the advanced rule book. And how do you get an original character out of core? It's all been done before.

♣♠Magic♦♥ wrote:

I think that "base" also counts, right?

??? what?

He means oracles, witches, ect...

There are four of us yes?

Do we want to go the old Frontline/Skillmonkey/Arcane/Divine, or are we gonna mix things up? What are everyone else's thoughts on what they want to play? I have a few ideas.

There are four of us yes?

Do we want to go the old Frontline/Skillmonkey/Arcane/Divine, or are we gonna mix things up? What are everyone else's thoughts on what they want to play? I have a few ideas.

Fireclaw Drake: here

Magic: here

Lord Foul: ???

Icehawk: Here

I am well aware. I done even bother really "munchkin-izing" my charecters.

Seriously, I'm currently playing a lv 3 bard kobold who's only real offense is acid flasks and tar bombs.

There are four of us yes?

Do we want to go the old Frontline/Skillmonkey/Arcane/Divine, or are we gonna mix things up? What are everyone else's thoughts on what they want to play? I have a few ideas.

I'm not sure I'm going to play.

same here, if I can't even play a witch or a summoner just no point.

here, loads of free stuff

prior to the "no 3rd party" I was thinking maybe warlock maybe swashbuckler

then I was thinking summoner or witch or black blooded oracle, dahampier maybe

now.....

Hmm.
I may just have a few ideas... Maybe....

I am well aware. I done even bother really "munchkin-izing" my charecters.

Seriously, I'm currently playing a lv 3 bard kobold who's only real offense is acid flasks and tar bombs.

the campaign will go from lvl 1 to 17-18 eventually. so making a strong character will come in time.

but just because you were one of my first choices doesnt mean you Have to play; i would just like to run this with some experienced players before I run my n00bs.

same here, if I can't even play a witch or a summoner just no point.

here, loads of free stuff

And of course, it's the two most op classes of the advanced book you point out.

Just like to point out: not everyone allows phones or other electronic devices at their table (like me for example).

icehawk333 wrote:

I am well aware. I done even bother really "munchkin-izing" my charecters.

Seriously, I'm currently playing a lv 3 bard kobold who's only real offense is acid flasks and tar bombs.

the campaign will go from lvl 1 to 17-18 eventually. so making a strong character will come in time.

but just because you were one of my first choices doesnt mean you Have to play; i would just like to run this with some experienced players before I run my n00bs.

This is the first time i will have /ever/ played a module, or anything core.

Just like to point out: not everyone allows phones or other electronic devices at their table (like me for example).

Ah. Yes, that makes sense. It doesn't at any table I'm at, because i can't afford a real book. So instead, i just memorize... Pretty much everything.

same here, if I can't even play a witch or a summoner just no point.

here, loads of free stuff

LF, As i said I am trying to run this out of core book first so I can run my noobs through (tabletop) using the same circumstances. I may be able to buy new books but until then sorry. I dont have a laptop so looking them up at the table is out of the question.

Lord Foul II wrote:

same here, if I can't even play a witch or a summoner just no point.

here, loads of free stuff
prior to the "no 3rd party" I was thinking maybe warlock maybe swashbuckler

then I was thinking summoner or witch or black blooded oracle, dahampier maybe

now.....

And of course, it's the two most op classes of the advanced book you point out.

witches are OP?

Lord Foul II wrote:

same here, if I can't even play a witch or a summoner just no point.

here, loads of free stuff

LF, As i said I am trying to run this out of core book first so I can run my noobs through (tabletop) using the same circumstances. I may be able to buy new books but until then sorry. I dont have a laptop so looking them up at the table is out of the question.

you could print relevant info off *shrug*

There is "core" and there's "base."
Core is wizard, cleric, rogue, etc.
Base is witch, alchemist, summoner, etc. Also made by paizo and in normal rules. Just expanded some by them with more options.
When you say "core" you mean anything from Paizo and not 3pp, right?

Death_Keeper wrote:

Lord Foul II wrote:

same here, if I can't even play a witch or a summoner just no point.

here, loads of free stuff

LF, As i said I am trying to run this out of core book first so I can run my noobs through (tabletop) using the same circumstances. I may be able to buy new books but until then sorry. I dont have a laptop so looking them up at the table is out of the question.

you could print relevant info off *shrug*

*shrug* I prefer books for my tabletop.

if you have to play non core classes to feel the game is worth playing, i can find someone else

Lord Foul II wrote:

same here, if I can't even play a witch or a summoner just no point.

here, loads of free stuff

LF, As i said I am trying to run this out of core book first so I can run my noobs through (tabletop) using the same circumstances. I may be able to buy new books but until then sorry. I dont have a laptop so looking them up at the table is out of the question.

Anyway, I'll probably play, but it may take a while for me to make a Charecter, because... Yeah. First time I'm ever doing anything core, and i am obsessive about getting a personality right, and building them properly.

Normally, i see something and think "oh, that would be cool to play" and then i build a character that suits that class. /nothing/ core makes me feel that way, and as such, I've got to come up with something i like put of what, to me, looks somewhat dull.

But I'm going to do it. Because I'm stubborn as heck.

Death_Keeper wrote:

Lord Foul II wrote:

same here, if I can't even play a witch or a summoner just no point.

here, loads of free stuff

LF, As i said I am trying to run this out of core book first so I can run my noobs through (tabletop) using the same circumstances. I may be able to buy new books but until then sorry. I dont have a laptop so looking them up at the table is out of the question.

Anyway, I'll probably play, but it may take a while for me to make a Charecter, because... Yeah. First time I'm ever doing anything core, and i am obsessive about getting a personality right, and building them properly.

Normally, i see something and think "oh, that would be cool to play" and then i build a character that suits that class. /nothing/ core makes me feel that way, and as such, I've got to come up with something i like put of what, to me, looks somewhat dull.

But I'm going to do it. Because I'm stubborn as heck.

Thank You.

There is "core" and there's "base."

Core is wizard, cleric, rogue, etc.
Base is witch, alchemist, summoner, etc. Also made by paizo and in normal rules. Just expanded some by them with more options.
When you say "core" you mean anything from Paizo and not 3pp, right?

No.

Core is only the core classes. Not anything pazio.

CLASS LIST (to prevent further discussion on allowed/not)

Barbarian.
Bard.
Cleric
Druid.
Fighter.
Monk.
Paladin.
Ranger.
Rogue.
Sorcerer.
Wizard.

There is "core" and there's "base."

Core is wizard, cleric, rogue, etc.
Base is witch, alchemist, summoner, etc. Also made by paizo and in normal rules. Just expanded some by them with more options.
When you say "core" you mean anything from Paizo and not 3pp, right?

no he means core

Dwarves
Elves
Gnomes
Half-elves
Halflings
Half-orcs
Humans

no archtypes
no alternate classes
I think only 5 prestige classes
very few feats (I don't even know which ones are core, as I only have one book actual book and it's not core)

I believe D20pfsrd lets you sort feats by which book they are in.

Edit: Can't sort by this, but under the feat tree it does have a source column. ONLY feats from CRB are allowed. Spells don't have a similar listing, but each spell has a source for where it is from under it's long description.

delete please

Ok then.

Would anyone like to switch topic to what you are going to play?

(this is not a first come first serve basis, but general role would be nice)

I can take up either the Divine mantle or the Skill monkey. Both of those appeal to me. Probably Druid if I'm playing the Divine caster. Got an excellent idea for a druid I believe.

Would anyone like to switch topic to what you are going to play?

(this is not a first come first serve basis, but general role would be nice)

I reserve what I'm planning, so that other players make their choice first, that way they don't feel any pressure to be a character that doesn't fill the same niche.

Likewise, I'm ignoring what others are playing, and still making my character the class i want to.

I'm not sure. I can do any. I'll take what's left and let others decide.

okay.... Icehawk, and Magic.

I know I have been restrictive, but a lack of communication during character designing can kill a party as well as cooperative spirit.

please list what you want/are going to make

That's the thing. I'd like to see a well rounded party. I could be arcane, skills, fighter, anything, so I'll wait and take the unfilled niche.
I'd also like to restate my dare that Foul play a barbarian, fighter, or rogue. :P

If you insist, I'm planning on being a cleric.

But honestly, i down see the problem with withholding. A party shouldn't be made with just effectiveness in mind, that may force a player to play something he doesn't want to, out of a feeling of obligation.

Dang it.

Idea restarted.

Fire brand (feat) isn't core.

If you insist, I'm planning on being a cleric.

But honestly, i down see the problem with withholding. A party shouldn't be made with just effectiveness in mind, that may force a player to play something he doesn't want to, out of a feeling of obligation.

It should be made with cooperation in mind, and knowing there is a cleric means someone else doesn't feel obligation to be a healer and choose to be one on that reason alone.

Yeah, i never said i was a healer.

I'm doing this so that doesn't happen, Ice. I can fill any role without feeling forced into it.

hrrmm I was going to play an oracle

...
do you rule that all necromancers have to be evil
as in are magically compelled to be evil

what bloodlines are core?

likewise what domains are core?