as lob marley would say, "One Love!"
Uncle!!! Uncle!!!!
Barael and I have been IMing a bit of fantasy HarrowCasting:
Nikolay. Or would you prefer this?
We have some disagreements about Charlie. My vote. Barael's vote.
Well, I'm happy with Dandi's, at any rate...
John Hurt or Harry Dean Stanton
Love!
[dice=Nothing to see here... just borrowing some dice]1d100
NOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If it's got to be an elf, John Hurt in The Proposition seems older.
I will be sporadic through the next 4 days; work times convention times a family trip. Just move me along, please. I'll be back by Tuesday.
Have a great time!
For those of you with ablative barriers, I don’t think it works on spells. From the description of the spell it seems more like it’s an enhanced mage armor blocking some incoming damage from ‘attacks’, but not spells. If you disagree, let me know your reasoning and we can sort it out.
I'm fine with it. I'm sure Nikolay will burn through it one way or another.
I don't mind either way. However, I would point out that Pathfinder uses the nomenclature 'attack action' to refer to attacks outside of weapon attacks. Gaze attacks, etc. The language for invisibility is particularly pertinent:
"For purposes of this spell, an attack includes any spell targeting a foe or whose area or effect includes a foe. Exactly who is a foe depends on the invisible character's perceptions. Actions directed at unattended objects do not break the spell. Causing harm indirectly is not an attack."
My sense is that there is some debate. I have not yet been able to find a messageboard conversation where a Paizo staffer weighs in. Happy to go with whatever.
Briar is able to identify the armor as Celestial Plate Armor (full plate +3, maxdex +6, ACP -3, acts as medium armor, fly 1xday (8th lvl))..
Argh. Nikolay is always buying too early. Used a feat to be able to access ghost touch with arcane points. Then we get the ghost touch. Bought some nice armor, and now..../sigh.
Nik is simply ahead of his time ;)
Wow. No one lays claim to the armor? Nik? Barael? Fondo?
If not, gimme 5 minutes to don...
I thought that Fondo wasn't trained in medium armor, but forgot that he gets it from his level of cavalier... Hrm... He'd be happy to take it, but I'm not wed to the idea. It's not REALLY Fondo's thing, but neither is traipsing around a haunted castle...
Hrm.
Yeah, I'm really not sure. Whom does it fit less: the non-aligned snotty elf or the scarf emblazoned Varisian?
Meh.
An early BOF during this encounter would have netted one arrow and one extra non-blunt swing before you went down.
Of course, during some fights it will be much better, other times it will be worse.
I don't think we needed to waste a charge during this mook encounter, though I understand that they rolled well enough to nearly take down you.
I respect Charlie's right to make the decision on whether to use it.
Perhaps, a wand of Haste for you might be a good solution going forward? You can activate it when you see fit?
It doesn't help that I didn't follow Fondo's step into the room. His repositioning dizzies, and Barael's bound across the doorway was under the false assumption that he was still the only one in the room.
It would help me to see an blue OOC regarding current placement/movement. I usually have the old map up, and I strike down the enemies already slain.
Well it does help to look at the map that Euan so carefully updates each round. You all know by now that Fondo is about controlling the battlefield. My efforts there are wasted if folks aren't paying attention. Boo hoo me.
I also respect Charlie's right to do with his character as he sees fit, and don't think it fits every situation. However, if the worry is that we'll be 'wasting' a charge, a would again remind that we have two books left in the adventure path as written, and it's super unlikely we'll have 35 combats in that span of time. It's not really meant to be conserved, but rather used.
Also, though I am annoyed by Euan's super hot dice, I'm not really bringing up the wand because Fondo went down. Well, partly, because I'm anticipating when he gets healed and doesn't have the ability to stand from prone without getting an AoO. :-p
Hot dice? I had one crit. That's more than countered by the crit and DPR fest the party brings to the table.
Fact is, I've made so many errors this fight it's not much of a challenge. In the first full round you killed 3 of the 5 opponents. Forgetting DR, forgetting secondary attacks. Hrumph. Hot dice indeed...if I were a better DM, it would be worse! :)
I'd rather see an in character conversation about using the wand than one based on meta-gaming "we only have two books left and not that many combats". I really don't like the meta conversation and I think there's some role play potential here.
Fondo, you've built a character around helping others and teamwork in a party that doesn't exhibit a lot of teamwork. Further, you and Barael (the tightest 'team' on the board for a while) are fighting at the moment and not even on speaking terms. So you should expect that some of your tactical plans will fall by the wayside (though I agree it should be for in-character reasons).
Feel free to have Fondo vent and cajole in character when he wakes up - I imagine he is frustrated especially as he sees himself as the leader of the party. There's some great role play there too I think (especially with you and Barael already feuding). But he may be shouting at a brick wall with this group... :D
Like Euan, I'd prefer this sort of thing come from in character roleplay between individual characters, that may or may not bow to Fondo's wishes.
Yeah, I get a bit frustrated after a while having Fondo shout at brick walls.
Euan's statement of the overarching problem has me thinking... I have some questions for folks, as someone who is not the inspiring leader that Fondo should be, but who really does want to roleplay the whole collaborative-leader thing well.
Fondo gives all of these metagame bonuses to attack, damage, saves, and what not.
How do you see those playing out for your characters from a non-metagame standpoint? Is your character actually inspired by him, and in what way?
What are some things that Fondo could do in-character (being a practical f***ing mind reader with his +23 Sense Motive) that truly would be inspiring to your character? What would be his read on what really earns their inspiration?
Charlie is deeply independent. He has been betrayed and persecuted and watched many of his friends die for much the same reasons. He might be inspired by something, but his world weary eyes have seen more than he'd like.
I get that about Charlie, but I figure there's something there with Fondo, our quest, or the party if the various bonuses are actually applying...? And also, of the various party members, Charlie and Dandi are probably the ones with the closest family-like attitudes (well, Barael and Fondo definitely have a younger brother / older brother abusive dynamic going on, but not an inspirational one as far as I can tell...).
I don't mean to insist on anything in particular, nor press folks to say anything in response. Just want to plant a seed.
Not like it needs to be said, but GM Evilan is awesome. Just in case anyone forgot.
Hey, uh, Briar. You got something, uh, right there... on your nose...
hehehe. Thanks Briar, and thanks for letting me help you put that guide together. You did all the heavy lifting of course, and it shows. A very good piece. Thanks for donating it to the community.
I think it's a chocolatey dab of awesome, Barael. Though I do wonder about how many of the 'good' examples were penned by this guy named 'Painlord.' Can you really trust a guy with a name like that?
Yeah, but did you read it? Come on. I get that you have to be social in the game, but he's encouraging players to enroll in community theater classes, and participate in SCA, to really immerse oneself. He's gone over the deep end.
You should see his grammar guide. Yeesh.
To be fair, Common is not my native tongue. And that guide translates poorly from the original elvish.
"Fairies with gossamer wings,
bring forth beauty, and grace and joyful things.
So dance my lovelies, dance. The fey will come find you and whimsically bind you in threads of a gossamer shroud...”
That's Orc?! ORC?!
Listen, I'm no orcish scholar, but I'm pretty sure half those words don't exist in orcish.
Gossamer? Beauty? Whimsically?!
-The Elf
I didn't say it was a perfect translation.
A somewhat provocative post I put together about the dreaded 'metagaming.'
Some clarifying text on CMD v. CMB:
Combat Maneuver Defense: Each character and creature has a Combat Maneuver Defense (or CMD) that represents its ability to resist combat maneuvers. A creature's CMD is determined using the following formula:
CMD = 10 + Base attack bonus + Strength modifier + Dexterity modifier + special size modifier
The special size modifier for a creature's Combat Maneuver Defense is as follows: Fine –8, Diminutive –4, Tiny –2, Small –1, Medium +0, Large +1, Huge +2, Gargantuan +4, Colossal +8. Some feats and abilities grant a bonus to your CMD when resisting specific maneuvers. A creature can also add any circumstance, deflection, dodge, insight, luck, morale, profane, and sacred bonuses to AC to its CMD. Any penalties to a creature's AC also apply to its CMD. A flat-footed creature does not add its Dexterity bonus to its CMD.
CMB = Base attack bonus + Strength modifier + special size modifier
Creatures that are size Tiny or smaller use their Dexterity modifier in place of their Strength modifier to determine their CMB. The special size modifier for a creature's Combat Maneuver Bonus is as follows: Fine –8, Diminutive –4, Tiny –2, Small –1, Medium +0, Large +1, Huge +2, Gargantuan +4, Colossal +8. Some feats and abilities grant a bonus to your CMB when performing specific maneuvers.
When you attempt to perform a combat maneuver, make an attack roll and add your CMB in place of your normal attack bonus. Add any bonuses you currently have on attack rolls due to spells, feats, and other effects.
An angel whispers in his ear that the bard song would help his CMD, so he tries swinging.
Can you provide a source for that?
I think maybe Bard song (link) only effects your attack action, not your CMB (and therefor CMD).
...and a +1 competence bonus on attack and weapon damage rolls.
CMD is (link) 10 + Base attack bonus + Strength modifier + Dexterity modifier + special size modifier
I don't see the crossover. Though I think the confusion comes in when folks do disarm, sunder and the like where bonuses to your attack do effect the outcome. Those are special cases though. I don't think bardsong boosts your CMD.
Still, I once thought as you do so I'm not set in stone. If someone can show me I'm all over it and Nikolay will hit.
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Oh, and now that I see Fondo's post, the Bardsong is a competence bonus and not on the CMD list of modifiers. Another nail in the coffin. Anyone have a prybar?
Good general rule of thumb:
If it's an attack bonus, it affects CMB, but not CMD.
If it's an AC bonus, it might affect CMD (but definitely not if it's a shield, armor, or natural armor bonus).
Warning. I am, alas, taking a vacation for Thanksgiving, and I've decided to take a vacation from computers as well. That means I will not be able to post much, if at all, starting Sunday night and ending next Sunday morning.
A full week without me. Sorry, but I'm sure you'll get over it. I'll try to contribute from phone a little, but I suck at the phone post so do not expect much of me.
I apologize, but there it is. It's my first actual PbP break I think. Hopefully I don't break out in hives...
You've more than earned a break, Evilan. We'll see you when you get back! Happy Thanksgiving.
You're leaving me alone with family!!!! For a full week!!!!!!!!!!! You bastard!! :-p
I blame the Halfblood.
This will not stand!
Unless, of course, we all put on our pajamas, right now, and lock onto our computers until tomorrow night... and finish this AP proper. Who's with me?!?!?!?!?!
What, you couldn't come up with that idea, *BEFORE* I signed up to run We Be Goblins today?!?!?!
I'm bringing my dice and book so that Evilan and I can game in real time. And yes, you are right to blame me. Sorry everybody.
Actually, Euan, should I bring my book and dice?
If you both have smartphones we could do a Google Hangout R/T session!!!
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Wow wow. 8000 posts, and climbing. Productive bastards, we all are.
Happy Turkey day everyone! Envious of Dandilion and Briar especially. ;)
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The wraith does not immediately return to receive his bountiful attacks.
Not at all suspicious. ;-)
I'll be away most of tomorrow. If Dandi wakes before I return, and has the wisdom to do so, she casts the deathwards she has prepared on the three first people to reach her.