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A second printing of Ultimate Equipment is just hitting the shelves, and the errata/updates document is just hitting paizo.com. While many of the changes are minor, editorial updates, I expect a handful of others will have a noticeable impact on some PCs. Page 29 of the Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guild Guide addresses how to handle those items that saw a price adjustment—most noticeably four-mirror armor, the benevolent armor enhancement, and a handful of magical staves: sell back the item at its original full market price, and so long as you have enough gp and Fame, you can purchase it back at the updated cost.
The design team has revised how several items function. In some cases, this means the Pathfinder Society team will revisit that item’s status on the Additional Resources page and will likely add them to the list in the next update we compile. In other cases the item may not provide the same benefits; knowing this might have an impact on certain character builds, we’re providing the following special guidelines for handling these updates.
Staff of the Master: You may sell this item back at its full market price. Whether you keep or sell this item, you may also retrain any of your metamagic feats or class features that granted you bonus metamagic feats.
Mnemonic Vestment: If you have more than one of this item, you may sell back any duplicates at their full market price.
Cap of the Free Thinker, Feather Step Slippers, Gloves of Reconnaissance, Jingasa of the Fortunate Soldier, Ring of Continuation, Ring of Ferocious Action, Ring of Inner Fortitude, Ring of Revelation, Ring of Sundering Metals (from Inner Sea Gods) and Tremor Boots: You may sell any of these items back at their full market price.
Brawling armor: Normally this would just follow the guidelines on page 29 of the Guide, but I get the concern that a key item for unconventional unarmed strikers might now be inaccessible—not because it’s expensive but because one’s character wealth is tied up in other recent purchases. It might be that we need to revisit the exact policy in the Guide, so let’s use brawling as a test-run of a slightly different model. You may sell back your character’s most recent purchases at full market price, but only enough to afford +1 brawling armor at its new price; you must still have enough Fame to qualify for this purchase.
Mistmail: You may sell this item back at its full market price. If you do so, you may also sell back other items that grant you an armor bonus, such as bracers of armor, a wand of mage armor (calculate cost based on charges remaining), or a pearl of power (assuming that it was, in fact, for facilitating mage armor or the like—kindly use your best judgment here).
Scorpion Whip: We’re bringing the scorpion whip in line with the FAQ from May 2015, which is now reflected in the second printing of Ultimate Equipment. Using a scorpion whip to its full potential now requires two different proficiencies: whip and scorpion whip. If someone were using a scorpion whip, we’re providing a choice between two forms of rebuild. First, a PC can sell back any scorpion whips at full price (ostensibly in order to buy a normal whip with equivalent enhancements, but that’s not mandatory). Second, a PC can choose to retrain a single feat in order to take either Exotic Weapon Proficiency (whip) or Exotic Weapon Proficiency (scorpion whip)—whichever he lacks. You may, of course, take no action and just choose to use a scorpion whip as a light performance weapon.
To the best of our ability, we’ll be updating the Additional Resources page and/or Campaign Clarifications to reflect these changes, including where two sources’ depictions of the items now vary.
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I am fairly new and was just wondering something. In just over a week I will be going to a store to play PFS for the first time. I had thought to play Oloch's pregen. Brings me to the question of how quickly these changes come into effect and what impact will they have on the pregens? Will the pregens be revised and in the mean time is the pregen still "legal"?
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Phew, for a moment there I was super scared for that Ring of Inner Fortitude I just bought for my level 14 Seeker. Thankfully, the change isn't meaningful for him.
The jingasa suddenly went from one of the most OP items in the game to almost obsolete. That's... quite a change. Also, I will not rue the loss of the Gloves of Scenario Breaking.
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I am fairly new and was just wondering something. In just over a week I will be going to a store to play PFS for the first time. I had thought to play Oloch's pregen. Brings me to the question of how quickly these changes come into effect and what impact will they have on the pregens? Will the pregens be revised and in the mean time is the pregen still "legal"?
Yeah, just play them as they lie.
Are you playing a higher level game? You could make your own character by then.
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One of our venture-captains pointed out to me that the ring of sundering metals from Inner Sea Gods operates like a ring of ferocious action with additional powers. If someone is so inclined, he can sell back a ring of sundering metals at full market price.
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I mostly avoided the Jingasa temptation, only buying it on a single character.
I do have feather step slippers on about 20 though.
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Speaking of mistmail, I have a character with the moonlight stalker chain of feats that relies on mistmail for concealment.
My preferred resolution would be to either be able to retrain the feat chain, or also be able to sell back my cloak for full price (so I can buy cloak of displacement) (Or the option to do either)
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Can't say I'm happy that my alchemist has to ditch his lesser ring of inner fortitude.I'm not sure I'm going to ditch it off mine. I take the penalties for the cognatogen now, but several times I've been completely unscathed by things that drain 1 ability point per hit thanks to that ring.
You no longer gain the benefits of the cognatogen.
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Can't say I'm happy that my alchemist has to ditch his lesser ring of inner fortitude.I'm not sure I'm going to ditch it off mine. I take the penalties for the cognatogen now, but several times I've been completely unscathed by things that drain 1 ability point per hit thanks to that ring.Except that you don't get a choice about it affecting cognatogens or mutagens, meaning you can't gain the benefits of either while wearing even the lesser ring.
Yeah, the protection from the drain is nice, but it completely nullifies a class feature.
It looks like it's preventative (mentions "prevents" and "the wearer takes") and doesn't retroactively remove penalties, damage, and drain (like you can't pass it around the party to negate penalties and ability damage after the fact) so I think you should be able to remove, drink, replace.
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have an odd bit here .... We know we can sell them back for full cost
but I have a strange thing on the Gloves of ReconI picked them up ** spoiler omitted **
am I allowed to go back and change that ?
That sounds reasonable to me.
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I had figured that the jingasa was just going to have a digit added to its price. 15000 would have been far more appropriate for the old version.
I would very much like a more comprehensive rebuild around the staff of the master. There were other choices I made on my psychic that were influenced by the existence of the old version of the item, including my selection of major amplification.
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Okay what is up with the Jingasa? Either I haven't got the update PDF yet or I'm not reading it right.. whats the differencE?
1) Its a deflection bonus, which means it won't stack with the much cheaper ring
2) the stop a crit thing only works once. FOREVER. And its gone. So you're left with a redundant hat
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It looks like it's preventative (mentions "prevents" and "the wearer takes") and doesn't retroactively remove penalties, damage, and drain (like you can't pass it around the party to negate penalties and ability damage after the fact) so I think you should be able to remove, drink, replace.Can't say I'm happy that my alchemist has to ditch his lesser ring of inner fortitude.I'm not sure I'm going to ditch it off mine. I take the penalties for the cognatogen now, but several times I've been completely unscathed by things that drain 1 ability point per hit thanks to that ring.Except that you don't get a choice about it affecting cognatogens or mutagens, meaning you can't gain the benefits of either while wearing even the lesser ring.
Yeah, the protection from the drain is nice, but it completely nullifies a class feature.
I realize that's an alias talking but that's even more lenient than what I was thinking. My thoughts were:
I don't walk around under the effects of my cognatogen all the time. In fact I personally usually make the decision to drink it when I intend to *start* an encounter. It's worth it to me to keep the ring on until then in case I run into - a wraith, for example.
Also I was thinking I could put it back on just prior to the cognatogen ending, preventing the damage from occurring when it did run out (cognatogen is a bit more harsh at the end than a mutagen).