Skald Shared Rage Powers

[My Self]

d20pfsrd wrote:

Rage Powers (Ex)

At 3rd level and every 3 levels thereafter, a skald learns a rage power that affects the skald and any allies under the influence of his inspired rage. This cannot be a rage power that requires the creature to spend a standard action or rounds of rage to activate it. For example, the skald cannot choose terrifying howl (which requires a standard action to activate), but can choose knockback (which is made in place of a melee attack).

Unless otherwise noted, a skald cannot select an individual rage power more than once.

When starting an inspired rage, the skald chooses which rage powers (if any) to add to the song, and all affected allies gain the benefit of these rage powers, using the skald's level as their effective barbarian level. The skald uses his skald level as his barbarian level for the purpose of selecting rage powers that require a minimum barbarian level. If the rage power's effects depend on the skald's ability modifier (such as lesser spirit totem), affected allies use the skald's ability modifier instead of their own for the purposes of this effect.

If a rage power requires another rage power (such as disruptive, which requires superstition), the skald cannot grant that rage power to allies unless he can also grant that power's prerequisite. He may add multiple rage powers to an inspired rage at the same time using this ability (such as granting superstition and disruptive simultaneously).

If a rage power can only be used a certain number of times per day or per rage (such as renewed vigor), each ally affected by the inspired rage song is subject to that limit (with once per rage abilities limited to once per inspired rage).

If the skald has rage powers from another source, he (but not his allies) can use those rage powers during an inspired rage. He cannot select a duplicate rage power, unless that rage power can be taken multiple times.

If the skald has the ability to rage from another source, he can use his skald rage powers during that rage as well.

So just checking, Skalds get rage powers, but only rage powers gained from the Skald class feature can be shared. This does not include "extra rage power" feats. Yes?

[Serisan]

We have never gotten an official clarification.

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rho7?Skald-Extra-Rage-Power#1
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ru2c?If-the-skald-has-rage-powers-from-another -source#1
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ryjn?Skalds-Raging-Song-and-the-extra-rage-pow er-feat#1
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2syut?Quick-Clarification-re-Rage-Powers-for-Sk alds#1
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rjsd?Skald-Rage-Power-Questions#1
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rdrj?Skald-raging-powers#1

The ability can be parsed either way. The closest thing to a clarification is that the PFS pregen skald apparently states that it cannot share a rage power it gained from the feat. Mark Seifter even commented that it should be a FAQ in his Ask Anything thread, but a FAQ has never been written, nor has the question been resolved in the July 2015 errata document.

In short, we don't know.

[shroudb]

When in doubt use the least powerful outcome. 70% it works every time ^^.

[FLite]

The most authoritative statement we have is that Mike Siefer has said he thinks it doesn't work, but needs to be FAQed.

I would love to be able to share extra rage power powers. But I also recognize that it would be beyond broken.

[Lady Gragra ♥]

Oh well... just hit level 9 and was planning on taking extra rage powers to share an additional rage power with the party... guess I should start looking for another feat then...

Edit: official reply on this matter/FAQ would be greatly appreciated, if it's the case, this means a skald would have no way to take a complete "totem" line and another level 10+ rage power in PFS.

Good Bye my level 12 Greater Spirit Totem + Auto-crit confirmation beastin' Lady ! :'(

[Chess Pwn]

So the Skald can take it and benefit from it himself, he just couldn't give it to others.

[FLite]

Lady Gragra ♥ wrote:

Oh well... just hit level 9 and was planning on taking extra rage powers to share an additional rage power with the party... guess I should start looking for another feat then...

Edit: official reply on this matter/FAQ would be greatly appreciated, if it's the case, this means a skald would have no way to take a complete "totem" line and another level 10+ rage power in PFS.

Good Bye my level 12 Greater Spirit Totem + Auto-crit confirmation beastin' Lady ! :'(

Well, sure you can, it is just expensive. Take the first 2 totem powers + something else. At level 10 retrain something else into the 3rd totem power, and at level 11 take you level 10+ rage power.

In my case Greater Spirit totem, Linnorm Death Curse Tor and spam summon stirges... Take 1 con damage + 2d8+6 neg energy damage a round, or kill them and be permanently staggered... Bwahahaha.

[Lady Gragra ♥]

Aren't Stirges on the druid's summons list? I probably missed something... sounds like fun tho... :-D !!

[FLite]

Lady Gragra ♥ wrote:

Aren't Stirges on the druid's summons list? I probably missed something... sounds like fun tho... :-D !!

Summon Neutral Monster

:)

[Lady Gragra ♥]

Ok I see... but can a 1 intelligence summoned monster be affected by the skald's song?

[FLite]

Sure. It is an audible effect. It is not mind-affecting or language dependent. So unless they are deaf they are affected.

[haremlord]

I just brought this discussion up with my GM, so he's already made his ruling, but here are my 2 cents:

My initial read was that they were referring to a source such as Barbarian levels, a Helm of Fearsome Mein, under the effects of another Skald's Inspired Rage song, etc. When I think of a feat that adds to an existing feature the character already has (such as Extra Arcanist Exploit), it's increasing what they already have instead of being from another source. This isn't like the Raging Blood feat that gives you a lesser bloodrage. It's adding to what you already have granted by the class in question.

But that's just my opinion and I thought I'd share. :)

[Lady Gragra ♥]

Please hit the FAQ button... this really is an important clarification needed from Paizo.

[Serisan]

Lady Gragra ♥ wrote:

Please hit the FAQ button... this really is an important clarification needed from Paizo.

I know, right? Given that I was able to find 6 other posts on the topic in under 5 minutes with a single search, this is definitionally a frequently asked question.

[haremlord]

Sorry didn't hit the FAQ button earlier. Consider it FAQ'd. :)

[Deadkitten]

Agreed. FAQed.

[Conman the Bardbarian]

I've FAQed this before so I'll FAQ it again.

I want a PFS party of body bludgeoners.

[Markov Spiked Chain]

Flite wrote:

Take the first 2 totem powers + something else. At level 10 retrain something else into the 3rd totem power, and at level 11 take you level 10+ rage power.

This doesn't work, you can only retrain feats to avoid level pre-requisites.

Retraining wrote:

Retraining a class feature means you lose the old class feature and gain a new one that you could otherwise qualify for at that point in your level advancement.

[FLite]

Markov Spiked Chain wrote:

Flite wrote:

Take the first 2 totem powers + something else. At level 10 retrain something else into the 3rd totem power, and at level 11 take you level 10+ rage power.

This doesn't work, you can only retrain feats to avoid level pre-requisites.

Retraining wrote:

Retraining a class feature means you lose the old class feature and gain a new one that you could otherwise qualify for at that point in your level advancement.

That's what I am saying...

So, at level 9 you have (for example) lesser spirit totem, and spirit totem, and you take raging climber.

At level 10 you terrain raging climber into greater spirit totem and at level 11 you take limnorn death curse tor

[Markov Spiked Chain]

No, you explicitly can't retrain your level 9 Skald Rage Power into a Rage power with a level 10 requirement (Greater Spirit Totem.)

Retraining wrote:

Retraining a class feature means you lose the old class feature and gain a new one that you could otherwise qualify for at that point in your level advancement. For example, if you want to retrain your paladin's fatigued mercy (which she gained at 3rd level), you can replace it only with another mercy from the 3rd-level list. If at 6th level you learned the sickened mercy (which is on the 3rd-level list), you may replace it with a mercy from the 3rd- or 6th-level list (because you are replacing a 6th-level mercy slot which you spent on a 3rd-level mercy).

[Lady Gragra ♥]

Jeez, that's even worse, we're back to my statement a few posts above: no greater totems and another level 10+ rage power for PFS skalds :( !

[mbauers]

Semi-related question: can Skalds gain bloodrage rage powers, with or without the extra rage power feat?

[My Self]

mbauers wrote:

Semi-related question: can Skalds gain bloodrage rage powers, with or without the extra rage power feat?

Uh, what? Bloodrage is Bloodrager-specific. If you multiclass into Bloodrager, then sure, I don't see why not, but Bloodrager bloodline advancement is separate from Skald Inspired Rage advancement. Bloodrage doesn't have rage powers like regular Barbarians, so you can't use Extra Rage Power to pick up extra Bloodrage abilities.

[Kaouse]

I think he's talking about "___ Blood" Rage Powers, which, as far as I know, are available to anyone who can select rage powers.

[mbauers]

Kaouse wrote:

I think he's talking about "___ Blood" Rage Powers, which, as far as I know, are available to anyone who can select rage powers.

Yep, Bloodrage Rage Powers from page 80 of the ACG

[My Self]

Kaouse wrote:

I think he's talking about "___ Blood" Rage Powers, which, as far as I know, are available to anyone who can select rage powers.

In that case, yeah. Aren't those basically just like another set of totem powers, in that you can only pick from one line of them?

The fun thing is that you can be part crossblooded Bloodrager, crossblooded Sorcerer, take Eldritch Heritage, take Skald or Barbarian levels to get bloodrage rage powers (not bloodrager bloodline powers :/), and be an Oread with the Mostly Human alternate racial trait as well as the Dwarf-Blooded feat and the Racial Heritage human feat to be the ultimate multibloodlined creature. Because mongrel sorcerer is too easy.

[Lady Gragra ~]

Bump. Hit the FAQ button people !

[FLite]

Markov Spiked Chain wrote:

No, you explicitly can't retrain your level 9 Skald Rage Power into a Rage power with a level 10 requirement (Greater Spirit Totem.)

Retraining wrote:

Retraining a class feature means you lose the old class feature and gain a new one that you could otherwise qualify for at that point in your level advancement. For example, if you want to retrain your paladin's fatigued mercy (which she gained at 3rd level), you can replace it only with another mercy from the 3rd-level list. If at 6th level you learned the sickened mercy (which is on the 3rd-level list), you may replace it with a mercy from the 3rd- or 6th-level list (because you are replacing a 6th-level mercy slot which you spent on a 3rd-level mercy).

Sigh. Sometimes my brain is very frustrating.

When I origionally built the character concept, I was planning to use the extra rage power feat extensively. Apparently, even though I couldn't use that feat, my brain was still treating all rage powers as feats...

Hence the "when you get another rage power at level 11." among other things. (when you don't get another rage power till 12...")

[Lady Gragra ~]

Come on Paizo, playing my first scenario at level 9 on Sunday, having a reply before that would be super awesome :D ! I'm not counting on it too much but we never know !

-> Hit the FAQ button people !

[Conman the Bardbarian]

I don't know if it would speed the process, but you could double your FAQ hits here.

[Lady Gragra ~]

Not giving up, NOT TODAY ! -> FAQ Button !

[Lady Gragra ~]

In Paizo we trust ! Hit Dat Faq button !

[Lady Gragra ~]

This week, my wish of having this question answered will come true.

Maybe.

[Lady Gragra ~]

Haven't upped this in a while -> FAQ button !

[Lady Gragra ~]

Never give up !

[Lady Gragra ~]

This has been a while since I enjoined my fellow forum users to HIT DAT FAQ button.

[Chess Pwn]

The weeks go marching one by one.
BooHoo! BooHoo!
The weeks go marching one by one.
BooHoo! BooHoo!
...

[Lady Gragra ~]

This has been a while...

[My Self]

It has.

[Lady Gragra ~]

Almost a month since the last up, I have been lazy.

[Lady Gragra ~]

Bump

[Sam C.]

I'd dearly like to see a definitive answer as well. It's really rather ridiculous that it's been so long with nary a single word one way or the other from the officials.

[Lady Gragra ~]

Lady Gragra is now at one scenario from level 12, and I must admit that I got tired of waiting for an answer and went for the least favourable one "you cannot share extra rage powers via your raging song" aka "take another feat".

But since I intend to play Eye of the Ten and the new seeker arc with her, an official answer would be much appreciated.

[Elwood J. Blues]

As one draws close to completing her journey, another begins.

Elwood will be utilizing the power of music in fulfilling his mission.

[Lady Gragra ~]

Bump it up !

Welcome Elwood !

[Cavall]

As I could not wait for an answer for my player, I let him do it once. He felt it was a fair solution. He's level 11 in skull and shackles.

[Joliet Jake Blues]

Huh. It strikes me your image, Lady Graga, has a hat. Do I go for an avatar with a hat, or the one that's slightly chubby, like the original Joliet Jake?

Elwood's sister, Joliet Jake, contemplating both hats and rage powers as we make beautiful music chaos together.

[Pathfinder Design Team]

Answered in FAQ!

FAQ wrote:

Skald: The skald class says “If the skald has rage powers from another source, he (but not his allies) can use those rage powers during an inspired rage,” what exactly does it mean by “another source”?

Another source means any source other than the rage powers gained at 3rd level and every 3 levels thereafter. A few examples of other sources are rage powers gained from multiclassing in barbarian, rage powers gained from Extra Rage Power, and rage powers gained from a magic item.

[My Self]

Thanks, PDT.