Hey guys!
I am looking for a weapon that uses ranged touch attacks (or touch att). I need to be able to add sneak attack damage to it.
It cant be strait element damage.
It can't be a magic attack like a ray or chill touch.
It can't be Brilliant energy.
Does such a thing exist?
Is there a feat combo or class ability combo that lets you do it?
EDIT: Can't use firearms either......
Firearms hit touch in the first range increment. That said, what exactly are you trying to build?
Firearms are exactly what you are looking for. AFAIK there is no other way to do it without magic.
Are you fighting a golem?
Firearms hit touch in the first range increment. That said, what exactly are you trying to build?
Right, probably cant be fire arms either.
But....
Bolt Ace gets to use a grit point to make all his crossbow attacks that round touch attacks..... Which is good....
But I need a bit more than that...
Firearms are exactly what you are looking for. AFAIK there is no other way to do it without magic.
Are you fighting a golem?
Might be a Tarrasque...or some version of one. They usually have crazy AC but it's all from Natural Armor...
Might be a Tarrasque...or some version of one. They usually have crazy AC but it's all from Natural Armor...Firearms are exactly what you are looking for. AFAIK there is no other way to do it without magic.
Are you fighting a golem?
The biggest problem when fighting a Tarrasque is it's unbeatable regeneration and immunity to nearly everything. Hitting one isn't difficult, actually damaging one is.
A 9th level Magus can use the Accurate Strike Arcana to resolve all his attacks that round as Touch Attacks, but it requires 2 Arcane Pool points a pop.
Brilliant energy ignores armor. In the last discussion about cheezy uses of brilliant energy ammo someone came up with a quote that a brilliant energy ranged weapon transfers its quality to its ammo as well.
That ain't cheap though, but you shouldn't be getting near a Tarrasque if you're not at a career point where you should afford that.
But wait, there's more! This requires the Underground Chemist archetype; with 4 levels of this archetype, you can sneak attack with the first splash weapon attack of the round. Combine this with the Launching Crossbow to fire alchemical weapons in style. Just make sure to put some of those manifold Rogue skill points into Craft (alchemy) and you can mix potent concoctions with a Hybridization Funnel.
Your choices are Monowhip, Rail Gun, and Rocket Launcher. If you can't get firearms there's no way in @#$% you're getting these though.If the DM is throwing the Tarrasque at him, it's only fair that he gets a Rocket Launcher or something.
A rocket would do an average of 6 damage to the tarrasque, lol.
Alchemist Bombs are supernatural touch attacks, so SR doesn't count against them. With Force Bombs you'd bypass energy resistances and immunity. Unfortunately I don't think that you would be able to get sneak attack on them, but the bombs themselves do pretty good damage.
I took a peak at the weapons from the Technology Guide and find it particularly wonderful that carrying a running chainsaw only gives you a -10 on Stealth. I kind of want to make a Chainsaw Ninja now.
The biggest problem when fighting a Tarrasque is it's unbeatable regeneration and immunity to nearly everything. Hitting one isn't difficult, actually damaging one is.In 3.5, I seem to recall the Terrasque was not immune to acid. In Pathfinder, it seems that thee Tarrasque is not immune to cold.
The OP might try being an Arcane Trickster with levels in Wizard and Ninja, Vanishing to lock in the Sneak Attack Damage and using the Wizard's Swiss Army Knife of ranged touch attack Cantrips: Ray of Frost, Acid Splash, etc. until he finally finds the one that gets through.
I think the best way to beat the Tarrasque is therefore to Grapple it and Tie it Up.
Good luck finding a cold spell that will affect it (given its spell type immunities and SR), that can be spammed for many rounds, and also does over 40 damage.
What would you tie it up with? It would find the burst DC trivial for most materials.
Your choices are Monowhip, Rail Gun, and Rocket Launcher. If you can't get firearms there's no way in @#$% you're getting these though.If the DM is throwing the Tarrasque at him, it's only fair that he gets a Rocket Launcher or something.
It is immune to rays :(
No Dex Mod does nothing to help them with +35 Natural Armor, which is why they wanted touch attacks.Yes. That's what the level in Gunslinger is for. Guns make ranged touch attacks. I thought that recommending a level in Gunslinger made it implicit that I was recommending he would be using a gun.
So my character by level 3 will be getting a ranged sneak attack against their flatfooted, touch AC every round. Pretty cool, anyway.
Pretty sure there is a rule someplace that says guns can't do sneak damage, though you could do it with a crossbow in the new class, but it costs grit every time.
Hooded Champion gets an ability similar to the Bolt Ace's, but with a bow.
It seems like the issue here is getting a touch attack in a low tech game on short notice (ie, without building for it).
If no energy type at all will work, then it seems you're out of luck. Maybe a wand of Gloomblind Bolts, Force Anchor, or even Reach Stricken Heart?
The problem here is three fold.
1 my GM reads these forums, so I dont want to attract his attention.2 I am not sure what hybridized, bastardized version of the beast we are going up against. So I am not sure just what I need exactly.
And 3 I am playing a wiz/rogue/swashbuckler/trickster And guns are just something he will not use. I am not so much min/maxing here as I am looking for ideas and options. I am not willing to break character to win, but I am not above curbing things a little as long as they fit the concept.
I was basically hoping for a weapon that I could use to help get through the natural armor, and allow me to use my sneak damage....
I think I need the Glaive from Krull....
The Pinpoint Targeting feat works.
Archery Rangers can get it by 10th level.
That has potential if I take some of the other feats that increase or max damage as well... Only 1 att per round though.... hard to beat the min 40hp regen with that...
Ah! I found another one!
There is a psionic feat called Fell Shot. You expend your psionic focus and make the next attack a touch attack. the melee version of this is called Deep Impact.
The prerequisites are Psionic Shot, good feat, Point Blank shot, a necessary feat, and a BAB of +6.
If you take the psionic feat Meditative Focus, you can regain your focus as a Move action instead of as a Full-Round Action.
I have another suggestion that may not be to the point, but may nevertheless be useful. How about the True Strike Spell?
I am trying to get multiple attacks of sneak damage, so just one is not enough to help. Greater invisibility at will is a trickster power, so all my attacks can have sneak damage....Or I can flank.
It is immune to rays :(Your choices are Monowhip, Rail Gun, and Rocket Launcher. If you can't get firearms there's no way in @#$% you're getting these though.If the DM is throwing the Tarrasque at him, it's only fair that he gets a Rocket Launcher or something.
Don't need to tie it up, just drown it, it can't regenerate without air.
Lets try a different tactic..
Is there a spell that removes or diminishes or otherwise bypasses Natural armor, that is not a ray or element based spell?
Lets try a different tactic..
Is there a spell that removes or diminishes or otherwise bypasses Natural armor, that is not a ray or element based spell?
Looks like this might work....
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/u/undead-anatomy-i#undead-anatomy- iv
That would work.
I love this community, and I love how we all solve puzzles together. And I always appreciate help from other outside the box thinkers.
But I also love figuring it out for myself. :P
I will let you all know how it goes, and I will post characters and stats.
We play with RAW (rules as written) Though the GM fudges a bit for story sometimes.
I am honestly pretty excited.
I'm not sure that actually does work. Unless you have a way to cast personal spells on a terrasque. Or I'm probably missing something here. Perhaps an explanation is in order?
Undead Anatomy IV lets you take on the form of an incorporeal undead, in exchange for much shorter duration. Incorporeal undead resolve their attacks as touch attacks. (So they would use the spell on themself, not the Tarrasque)
I recall one strategy for wearing the Tarrasque down was using Allips. This could work.
The crossbows actually do similar damage to guns if you use the Ace Bolt. At low levels and facing Big T you will likely have to be creative instead of try to use brute force. That is just asking to die.
Other than the Allip strategy I dont have too much else to offer.
Since each version depends on the GM to decide how to kill it you might want to do some research to see if you can figure out how to keep it dead.
PS: Lantern Archons. I think they target touch attack and they bypass DR. They won't win the fight but they can do draw attacks and do some damage
If you can dip into arcanist you can take the sonic attack as your first exploit. Not much damage, but sneak, and it is a supernatural ability, so no spell resist.
For the cost of a weapon that could do all this you could just buy a Wish and teleport the Tarrasque to the bottom of the ocean. It won't reach the surface before it drowns and regeneration doesn't heal drowning damage.
There used to be some rules which said that Wishing somebody dead wouldn't work out well for the person making the Wish. I don't see that in the current description of the Wish spell, but I wouldn't be surprised if a DM made you wish you hadn't made that Wish.