I'm not sure that you can take Extra Path Ability more than once. Usually a feat that can be taken more than once says so in the description of the feat...
Some of the higher mythic abilities use up a lot of mythic power so I would rate Extra Mythic Power as green. Who wants to be careful how they expend their source of awesomeness, the more you have the more mythic you're going to feel.
I think spellcasters will go through their mythic power pretty quickly.
I like the guide so far but we need the rest of it!
I think the displays of ought to be higher rated depending on build or mixing with the feats. It's costly, but for two surges you can ge an effective +40 to a skill, if you want to abuse bluff and diplomacy especially.
Or auto succeed on a UMD check to cast a high level spell from a scroll of something. You could trade mythic power for level 9 spells cast at mid levels - that's pretty powerful!
I would rate the 'Display of X' line of abilities higher than Mythic Sustenance myself. +20 to the right ability can be a gamechanger. Mythic Sustenance though, is easily duplicated by low-level spells (water breathing, gust of wind, goodberry and so on) and lacks the sheer versatility of the Display ability paths.
+20 and one use of mythic power to scroll elemental swarm, mass heal, power word kill (to name but a few) seems pretty good to me.
The Displays of STAT require expending a mythic power point. Mythic sustenance is a passive ability that's always on. Also, you probably can't expend 2 points to get +40 because I don't see anything that says a mythic circumstance bonus stacks with another mythic circumstance bonus.
Since it requires being Mythic Tier 3, the Extra Path Ability feat can only be taken 4 times, not 5.
I don't think there is such a thing as a "mythical circumstance bonus" as it just states it as a circumstance bonus.
In any case, I don't think they stack since it's from the same source. It's probably better like that. Imagine spending 20 mythic points to get a +400 bonus to carrying capacity? That kind of strength would make the Hulk jealous.
The Displays of STAT require expending a mythic power point. Mythic sustenance is a passive ability that's always on. Also, you probably can't expend 2 points to get +40 because I don't see anything that says a mythic circumstance bonus stacks with another mythic circumstance bonus.
Since it requires being Mythic Tier 3, the Extra Path Ability feat can only be taken 4 times, not 5.
I don't think there is such a thing as a "mythical circumstance bonus" as it just states it as a circumstance bonus.
In any case, I don't think they stack since it's from the same source. It's probably better like that. Imagine spending 20 mythic points to get a +400 bonus to carrying capacity? That kind of strength would make the Hulk jealous.
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The other one is the feats where you can spend a surge to "treat the roll as a 20"."
Competent Caster... seeing how you highest level spells are the ones you have the least of, you're going to get a lot of mileage get out of this ability. What is most important is the fact that you can now cast when grappled. I think it's better than orange.
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Competent Caster... seeing how you highest level spells are the ones you have the least of, you're going to get a lot of mileage get out of this ability. What is most important is the fact that you can now cast when grappled. I think it's better than orange.
Using Competent Caster to cast in grapple is a low level strategy at best. Dimension door renders it obsolete at level 7 for every class that might consider taking Archmage tiers. The teleportation school renders it obsolete at level 1. Considering that there are tier 1 abilities that remain useful for one's entire career, such as Eldritch Breach, Enduring Armor, and Energy Conversion, I think orange is very appropriate.
What happened to flexable counter spell? No need to ready, use any spell the same level - makes countering worth considering.
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Competent Caster... seeing how you highest level spells are the ones you have the least of, you're going to get a lot of mileage get out of this ability. What is most important is the fact that you can now cast when grappled. I think it's better than orange.Using Competent Caster to cast in grapple is a low level strategy at best. Dimension door renders it obsolete at level 7 for every class that might consider taking Archmage tiers. The teleportation school renders it obsolete at level 1. Considering that there are tier 1 abilities that remain useful for one's entire career, such as Eldritch Breach, Enduring Armor, and Energy Conversion, I think orange is very appropriate.
For the Magus, competent casters is alway useful.
No more having to roll for casting defensively while using spell combat.
I agree with Xykal, I don't believe extra path ability can be chosen multiple times.
That aside, I don't think I would if I could. Mythic Feats are more powerful than they're given credit for in this pdf.
Some of the mythic feats are more powerful than a lot of the path abilities.
Arcane Strike: add bane + mythic bane to your weapon for 1 minute as a swift action. Your +2 weapon can now break epic DR at 5th level.
Vital Strike: one of the most powerful abilities in the entire book. Use it to one-round anything in the game at high level.
I could go on, and at some point a series of guides needs to be written that goes through the entire list of mythic options available on a per class basis.
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Competent Caster... seeing how you highest level spells are the ones you have the least of, you're going to get a lot of mileage get out of this ability. What is most important is the fact that you can now cast when grappled. I think it's better than orange.Using Competent Caster to cast in grapple is a low level strategy at best. Dimension door renders it obsolete at level 7 for every class that might consider taking Archmage tiers. The teleportation school renders it obsolete at level 1. Considering that there are tier 1 abilities that remain useful for one's entire career, such as Eldritch Breach, Enduring Armor, and Energy Conversion, I think orange is very appropriate.For the Magus, competent casters is alway useful.
No more having to roll for casting defensively while using spell combat.
Being useful for one class that will probably take Dual Path to get access to the ability isn't enough to bump Competent Caster up to green.
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Being useful for one class that will probably take Dual Path to get access to the ability isn't enough to bump Competent Caster up to green.Competent Caster... seeing how you highest level spells are the ones you have the least of, you're going to get a lot of mileage get out of this ability. What is most important is the fact that you can now cast when grappled. I think it's better than orange.Using Competent Caster to cast in grapple is a low level strategy at best. Dimension door renders it obsolete at level 7 for every class that might consider taking Archmage tiers. The teleportation school renders it obsolete at level 1. Considering that there are tier 1 abilities that remain useful for one's entire career, such as Eldritch Breach, Enduring Armor, and Energy Conversion, I think orange is very appropriate.For the Magus, competent casters is alway useful.
No more having to roll for casting defensively while using spell combat.
My point is, abilities that are worthless for one class may be life saving for another. I could have used a wild shaping druid, a cleric that intends to melee or an inquisitor as my example, all will frequently run into circumstances where they will want to forgo casting defensively but wish to continue to threaten their opponent.
And I would expect any Magus to dual path, they are going to want both melee and caster path abilities.
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My point is, abilities that are worthless for one class may be life saving for another.
And my point is that it doesn't matter. Orange is for abilities that aren't bad, but which are overshadowed by other abilities offered by the path. That fits Competent Caster to a T. Maybe it could use a mention of Magus, Eldritch Knight, and Dragon Disciple like Spellbane Counterstrike has in its description, but it should not be a green ability.
And counter spell?
Flexible Counterspell seems to have some merit to it if you're facing a good deal of casters. Though, you can eat through your mythic power points using that. Personally, I would prefer to just use Dispel Magic or Greater Dispel Magic instead of a higher level spell slot.
But you'll nothing else... at least the mythic option allows you to cast each round and still counter.
I agree that Beyond Morality should be green, but not for the same reasons. It's on my list of "must haves" for my inquisitor in WotR.
Allowing unusual class combinations (barbarian/monks) is nice, but I'm seeing it in a more defensive fashion where the "most favorable alignment" side of things comes into play. You become immune to spells like Holy Word/Blasphemy/Dictum/Word of Chaos and their kin.
A debatable benefit: Some forms of DR are alignment based, usually bypassed by your opposing alignment. Beyond Morality would protect you from essentially all alignments, effectively giving you a universal DR.
I know there are many ways to bypass DR, but alignment or aligned weapons won't be part of them.
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You might want to reconsider Mythic Spellpower, in another thread I make that same observation but appears to be that Mythic Spellpower allow you to cast mythic spells without expending any mythic points, so you can cast an augmented mythic fireball and save 3 mythic points.
Also Component Freedom is more than Eschew Materials, you can ignore costly component and focus up to 1000 GP at tier 10. And what makes Harmonious Mage more valuable is that Opposition Research discovery can't be taken multiple times.
Great guide, waiting to see the rest of the paths, Archmage is my favorite too ;)
Disagree on the extra feat ability being red. There are a number of mythic feat that added to the right build are devastating and worth losing a path ability or two.