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While I don't think it occured to anyone here, it is still a possible outcome that one player becomes irritated by homosexual content... even in a tabletop game like Pathfinder.it occurred to me. It's just I don't care. Just like if a racist on these boards was irritated by multiracial characters, I couldn't care less. Or if a misogynist on the boards who was offended by strong female leaders, I couldn't also care less.
Now hopefully these sorts of people are disappearing from the world (although some on this board have shown otherwise). Frankly, I don't care what offends them because they're wrong.
Very well put, and thank you. : )
Of course, you know I'm going to steal it...!
I don't think Nocticula has a particular devotion to Shamira over her other pairings. As queen of the Succubi, I would make a joke about her being okay getting it on with anything with two legs, but then apparently there are strong suggestions that she has had trysts with JUBILEX, so she is not even that picky.
That's what I read though. Shamira came in, seduced her and now is her consort... although Shamira has other plans.
While I don't think it occured to anyone here, it is still a possible outcome that one player becomes irritated by homosexual content... even in a tabletop game like Pathfinder.Why would play with people like that in the first place?
No one has the "right" to be "irritated by homosexual content" around me when they are loudly proclaiming their heterosexuality. Even you just did with "I am looking for a girlfriend though." Some people might find that just as offensive.
Why? Because you might not be aware of it? Dude, just because you know your players for games, it doesn't mean that you know them entirely outside of live. Granted, you pick buddies as players, but sometimes, you don't know.
Also, I'm a guy looking for a girlfriend in real life... so if it offended some people, I would like to know why.
While I don't think it occured to anyone here, it is still a possible outcome that one player becomes irritated by homosexual content... even in a tabletop game like Pathfinder.It occurred to me. It's just I don't care. Just like if a racist on these boards was irritated by multiracial characters, I couldn't care less. Or if a misogynist on the boards who was offended by strong female leaders, I couldn't also care less.
Now hopefully these sorts of people are disappearing from the world (although some on this board have shown otherwise). Frankly, I don't care what offends them because they're wrong.
You're right and that's the right attitude to have in these situations. However, I felt like it would be a good point to bring that even if Paizo is ok at depicting homosexuality in Golarion, you might have to deal with homophobic players... unfortunately.
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I've always been kinda intimidated by this thread and its ever increasing number of posts that I couldn't possibly ever find the time to read, but I'd just like to mention that, for me and my LGBT players, Golarion's various depictions of transgendered, homosexual, and bisexual characters have been a massive drawcard for us.
For some of us, it's the main drawcard.
It is such a massive relief to find a fantasy world where the fantasy is that nobody gives a crap what you do with your genitals. Or, at least, that the philosophy of acceptance always wins.
That is all.
Why? Because you might not be aware of it? Dude, just because you know your players for games, it doesn't mean that you know them entirely outside of live. Granted, you pick buddies as players, but sometimes, you don't know.
Also, I'm a guy looking for a girlfriend in real life... so if it offended some people, I would like to know why.
1. I'm not a "Dude"
2. I do know the sexuality (or lack thereof) of my players. I wouldn't game with people I don't know well.3. You stating you are "looking for a girlfriend" is blatantly heterosexual. Why do you think that behavior is fine, but people (or Paizo) should care about those "irritated by homosexual content"?
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I've always been kinda intimidated by this thread and its ever increasing number of posts that I couldn't possibly ever find the time to read, but I'd just like to mention that, for me and my LGBT players, Golarion's various depictions of transgendered, homosexual, and bisexual characters have been a massive drawcard for us.
For some of us, it's the main drawcard.
It is such a massive relief to find a fantasy world where the fantasy is that nobody gives a crap what you do with your genitals. Or, at least, that the philosophy of acceptance always wins.
That is all.
Ditto on all counts.
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the term "dude" can be gender neutral, you knowWhy? Because you might not be aware of it? Dude, just because you know your players for games, it doesn't mean that you know them entirely outside of live. Granted, you pick buddies as players, but sometimes, you don't know.
Also, I'm a guy looking for a girlfriend in real life... so if it offended some people, I would like to know why.
1. I'm not a "Dude"
2. I do know the sexuality (or lack thereof) of my players. I wouldn't game with people I don't know well.
3. You stating you are "looking for a girlfriend" is blatantly heterosexual. Why do you think that behavior is fine, but people (or Paizo) should care about those "irritated by homosexual content"?
Only if you assume that male=neutral.
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Why? Because you might not be aware of it? Dude, just because you know your players for games, it doesn't mean that you know them entirely outside of live. Granted, you pick buddies as players, but sometimes, you don't know.
Also, I'm a guy looking for a girlfriend in real life... so if it offended some people, I would like to know why.
1. I'm not a "Dude"
2. I do know the sexuality (or lack thereof) of my players. I wouldn't game with people I don't know well.
3. You stating you are "looking for a girlfriend" is blatantly heterosexual. Why do you think that behavior is fine, but people (or Paizo) should care about those "irritated by homosexual content"?
1. Whoops XD
2. It can happen to others... not just you or me.3. I just affirmed my desire in life, how's that offensive again? I did not insult anyone here nor did I hurt anyone here. Furthermore, since avatars and names can be misleading about gender, I also confirmed that I'm a male DM/player.
Paizo doesn't have to "care" about homophobic players. Like many people say, if players aren't happy with it, get off the table. However, Paizo shouldn't let this kind of behavior affect them, as in "not adding LGBT characters in fear of shocking players".
To add to my other points, anyone here thinks that romance is heavily underplayed, regardless of orientation?
To keep this on topic, when did romance really come into play (ugh... pun not intended) for LGBT characters? From the one that I managed to find (non-exhaustive list).
- Solveig tries to reunite with Bella; romance... and NPC sidequest XD
- Anevia and Irabeth are married; undertoned romance, if ever shown.
- Nocticula and Shamira; questionable romance, if not just bedfellows
- Daikitsu and Nalinivati; undetermined romance... although please no furries DX
- Desna/Shelyn/Sarenrae love traingle; unknown romance. No seriously, WHERE does that pairing come from?
- Kyra; no romance so far, had one partner, but just for a short time.
P.S. if you're wandering why there's no key gay couple... it's just because I couldn't find any. Feel free to fill to void here please.
Paizo doesn't have to "care" about homophobic players. Like many people say, if players aren't happy with it, get off the table. However, Paizo shouldn't let this kind of behavior affect them, as in "not adding LGBT characters in fear of shocking players".
That is exactly what I was saying.
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Why? Because you might not be aware of it? Dude, just because you know your players for games, it doesn't mean that you know them entirely outside of live. Granted, you pick buddies as players, but sometimes, you don't know.
Also, I'm a guy looking for a girlfriend in real life... so if it offended some people, I would like to know why.
1. I'm not a "Dude"
2. I do know the sexuality (or lack thereof) of my players. I wouldn't game with people I don't know well.
3. You stating you are "looking for a girlfriend" is blatantly heterosexual. Why do you think that behavior is fine, but people (or Paizo) should care about those "irritated by homosexual content"?1. Whoops XD
2. It can happen to others... not just you or me.
3. I just affirmed my desire in life, how's that offensive again? I did not insult anyone here nor did I hurt anyone here. Furthermore, since avatars and names can be misleading about gender, I also confirmed that I'm a male DM/player.Paizo doesn't have to "care" about homophobic players. Like many people say, if players aren't happy with it, get off the table. However, Paizo shouldn't let this kind of behavior affect them, as in "not adding LGBT characters in fear of shocking players".
To add to my other points, anyone here thinks that romance is heavily underplayed, regardless of orientation?
To keep this on topic, when did romance really come into play (ugh... pun not intended) for LGBT characters? From the one that I managed to find (non-exhaustive list).
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P.S. if you're wandering why there's no key gay couple... it's just because I couldn't find any. Feel free to fill to void here please.
@keerawa, if the world of Golarion is accepting as others have said, doesn't that character's statement seem strangely out of place?
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@keerawa, if the world of Golarion is accepting as others have said, doesn't that character's statement seem strangely out of place?
Well, it's a programmed response to a PC who seems surprised by it; the two of them weren't separated by Ustalav society for being male lovers, but by politics. I think including a set response for the GM to deal with the player's surprise or confusion is a good idea.
In the same vein, Miss Flowers reacted to the teenage boy at our table who decided to respond to her (very PG) introduction to the group by escaping through a window, with an eye roll and a cosmopolitan sangfroid. In the City of Strangers, they apparently get all sorts!
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Not reptilian, but there's a queer avian-mammal pairing in Shattered Star (harpy/catfolk).And NOW we're back on track!
Also, stashing this one in my fantasies drawer...
Two months late to the party, but it's not every day that I discover something I wrote is in Crystal's Fantasies Drawer. 0_o
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Two months late to the party, but it's not every day that I discover something I wrote is in Crystal's Fantasies Drawer. 0_oNot reptilian, but there's a queer avian-mammal pairing in Shattered Star (harpy/catfolk).And NOW we're back on track!
Also, stashing this one in my fantasies drawer...
Look for Thundercats/Silverhawks fanfic!
Just because people accept their parents are having sex doesn't mean they wan to be confronted with it directly. I suspect most people that do not wish LGBT content in Paizo books are much the same, it doesn't make them wrong or haters.
I am fine with a middleground and leave sexuality mostly in the bacckground but easy to adjust to a table's likes or dislikes, but some hints at a character's proposed sexuality are completely fine with me, it is a modest and fitting statement and as far as I'd go as a company's default religion.
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Look for Thundercats/Silverhawks fanfic!Two months late to the party, but it's not every day that I discover something I wrote is in Crystal's Fantasies Drawer. 0_oNot reptilian, but there's a queer avian-mammal pairing in Shattered Star (harpy/catfolk).And NOW we're back on track!
Also, stashing this one in my fantasies drawer...
Oh Mikaze, you beautiful tropical fish.
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Just because people accept their parents are having sex doesn't mean they wan to be confronted with it directly. I suspect most people that do not wish LGBT content in Paizo books are much the same, it doesn't make them wrong or haters.
I am fine with a middleground and leave sexuality mostly in the bacckground but easy to adjust to a table's likes or dislikes, but some hints at a character's proposed sexuality are completely fine with me, it is a modest and fitting statement and as far as I'd go as a company's default religion.
Except nobody's actually having on-page sex in Paizo products. All they're doing is explaining the relationships NPCs are in so said NPCs have some literary flesh on them for when the PCs come to interact.
Except nobody's actually having on-page sex in Paizo products. All they're doing is explaining the relationships NPCs are in so said NPCs have some literary flesh on them for when the PCs come to interact.Just because people accept their parents are having sex doesn't mean they wan to be confronted with it directly. I suspect most people that do not wish LGBT content in Paizo books are much the same, it doesn't make them wrong or haters.
I am fine with a middleground and leave sexuality mostly in the bacckground but easy to adjust to a table's likes or dislikes, but some hints at a character's proposed sexuality are completely fine with me, it is a modest and fitting statement and as far as I'd go as a company's default religion.
|dvh| said "flesh"! Sexual content warning! NC-17!
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Just because people accept their parents are having sex doesn't mean they wan to be confronted with it directly. I suspect most people that do not wish LGBT content in Paizo books are much the same, it doesn't make them wrong or haters.
I am fine with a middleground and leave sexuality mostly in the bacckground but easy to adjust to a table's likes or dislikes, but some hints at a character's proposed sexuality are completely fine with me, it is a modest and fitting statement and as far as I'd go as a company's default religion.
This is becoming a little tedious, but do you realize that when an NPC description says that Bob Smith (M) and Sally Smith (F) are married, they're confronting you directly with the sexuality of those two NPCs? At least, if you feel that an NPC description that says that Irabeth (F) and Anevia (also F) are married is confronting you directly with lesbianism, then you have to give the same consideration to the equivalent situation.
This is becoming a little tedious, but do you realize that when an NPC description says that Bob Smith (M) and Sally Smith (F) are married, they're confronting you directly with the sexuality of those two NPCs? At least, if you feel that an NPC description that says that Irabeth (F) and Anevia (also F) are married is confronting you directly with lesbianism, then you have to give the same consideration to the equivalent situation.Just because people accept their parents are having sex doesn't mean they wan to be confronted with it directly. I suspect most people that do not wish LGBT content in Paizo books are much the same, it doesn't make them wrong or haters.
I am fine with a middleground and leave sexuality mostly in the bacckground but easy to adjust to a table's likes or dislikes, but some hints at a character's proposed sexuality are completely fine with me, it is a modest and fitting statement and as far as I'd go as a company's default religion.
Maybe, but in practice that isn't always the case. It's a charged subject for many, one way or another, and even though people might not want to judge lesbianism they might feel a bit uncomfortable with it. All I am saying that these people are not 'wrong' for feeling differently than you do. As much as I accept gay people I accept that people are not always entirely comfortable with it. I do not see a need for sexuality to have more than a passing role in Pathfinder one way or another.
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Maybe, but in practice that isn't always the case.
Yes, it is. We pretty much only know the sexuality of any Paizo NPCs if they're in a relationship. It's simply not brought up in any other context.
It's a charged subject for many, one way or another, and even though people might not want to judge lesbianism they might feel a bit uncomfortable with it.
Uh...how is that anyone else's problem? And being uncomfortable with lesbianism, or wanting not to think about it, is judging it, if only subconsciously. Don't lie to yourself and say otherwise.
All I am saying that these people are not 'wrong' for feeling differently than you do.
Yes, they are. In this case anyway. Prejudice is bad, not including any particular kind of real people (race, sexuality, gender, whatever) in a fantasy world intended to be inclusive is thus bad. Full stop. Not all prejudiced people are bad people, but that doesn't change the fact that they're wrong.
As much as I accept gay people I accept that people are not always entirely comfortable with it.
No, they aren't. But why depart from realism to cater to prejudiced people? That seems a silly thing to do.
I do not see a need for sexuality to have more than a passing role in Pathfinder one way or another.
It doesn't. That's sorta the point, really.
Maybe, but in practice that isn't always the case. It's a charged subject for many, one way or another, and even though people might not want to judge lesbianism they might feel a bit uncomfortable with it. All I am saying that these people are not 'wrong' for feeling differently than you do. As much as I accept gay people I accept that people are not always entirely comfortable with it. I do not see a need for sexuality to have more than a passing role in Pathfinder one way or another.This is becoming a little tedious, but do you realize that when an NPC description says that Bob Smith (M) and Sally Smith (F) are married, they're confronting you directly with the sexuality of those two NPCs? At least, if you feel that an NPC description that says that Irabeth (F) and Anevia (also F) are married is confronting you directly with lesbianism, then you have to give the same consideration to the equivalent situation.Just because people accept their parents are having sex doesn't mean they wan to be confronted with it directly. I suspect most people that do not wish LGBT content in Paizo books are much the same, it doesn't make them wrong or haters.
I am fine with a middleground and leave sexuality mostly in the bacckground but easy to adjust to a table's likes or dislikes, but some hints at a character's proposed sexuality are completely fine with me, it is a modest and fitting statement and as far as I'd go as a company's default religion.
sexuality in Pathfinder doesn't have more then a passing role. Mentioning that a couple (gay, straight, etc.) is about as in depth as it goes. If Bob being married to Mary is ok, then Bob being married to Mark should be ok. I don't think anyone is expecting Paizo to start including long narrations about what happens in the bedroom.
As to the people feeling offended by people of different orientations. they are wrong. period. They're welcome to their wrong opinion of course. In much the same way that I could care less if you thought 2+2=5, you'd be wrong.
Again, substitute race in your statement and see if you can't spot the error. A statement like "As much as I accept black people I accept that people are not always entirely comfortable with them", is condoning a hate filled position (in fact a statement like that would probably have people flag you as possibly racist). I'm always amazed on this issue how we think it's ok to basically say "I'll condone someone else's bigotry, because it would be wrong of me to say that they're wrong".
In the end, if a person't uncomfortable with it, they can change it in their game, because it is so trivial and minor to setting.
Only if you assume that male=neutral.
the term "dude" can be gender neutral, you know
Or allow for language changing and people using the common current definitions. The Oxford English Dictionary entry for Dude has an update from 2008.
colloq. (orig. and chiefly U.S.). A person (of either sex). Freq. as a familiar form of address.
1974 C. Eble UNC-CH Campus Slang (typescript) Mar. 2 Dude, any person, usually a male?
1981 D. Jenkins Baja Okla. 295 We're not talking about a lame chick and a gnarly guy. We're talking about a couple of far-out dudes.
1994 A. Heckerling Clueless (Green Rev. pages) 4 Dionne. Dude! Cher. Girlfriend! They start to do a high five.
Kind of like how "guys" is now used colloquially for any group, including all-female ones if addressed at a particular group (but is male if referring to "guys" in general). On the other hand, I'd completely agree with anyone wanting to nuke use of he/his as being gender neutral and replacing it with they/their, so maybe I need to work on my consistency.
Anyway, I'd never actually looked up dude before and thought the origin and oldest quotes were kind of interesting/amusing. I don't think I've ever heard it used in the first sense given:
Etymology: A factitious slang term which came into vogue in New York about the beginning of 1883, in connection with the ‘æsthetic’ craze of that day. Actual origin not recorded.
1. A name given in ridicule to a man affecting an exaggerated fastidiousness in dress, speech, and deportment, and very particular about what is æsthetically ‘good form’; hence, extended to an exquisite, a dandy, ‘a swell’.
1883 Graphic 31 Mar. 319/1 The ‘Dude’ sounds like the name of a bird. It is, on the contrary, American slang for a new kind of American young man..The one object for which the dude exists is to tone down the eccentricities of fashion..The silent, subfusc, subdued ‘dude’ hands down the traditions of good form.
The second definition was the inexperienced visitor to a ranch one that I'd heard before. I wish I had the context for the first quote for this definition...
1883 Prince Albert Times (Sask.) 4 July 5/1 The dude is one of those creatures which are perfectly harmless and are a necessary evil to civilization.
Wasn't expecting to find this one...
dudine n. /-ˈiːn/ a female dude
1883 Philad. Times No. 2892. 2 Not..to encourage the development of the dude or the dudine in his dominion.
1891 A. Welcker Tales Wild West 69 Joe then went east, and..married a young dudine out there.
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All I am saying that these people are not 'wrong' for feeling differently than you do.Yes, they are. In this case anyway. Prejudice is bad, not including any particular kind of real people (race, sexuality, gender, whatever) in a fantasy world intended to be inclusive is thus bad. Full stop. Not all prejudiced people are bad people, but that doesn't change the fact that they're wrong.
OK, I'd like to offer the suggestion that it is the thought(s) that are wrong, not the individuals for just having them.
As a personal example... I have lived my entire life here in the American (U.S.) South, and was/am constantly exposed to many racist and homophobic "ideas"/misconceptions; I say "ideas" because when unpacked/analyzed, there doesn't seem to be much critical analysis involved before they get absorbed. Growing up with one openly racist/homophobic parent, I and my two siblings unfortunately absorbed these misconceptions along with other invalid information (largely "Calvin's dad"-type harmless mis-explanations). As I grew older and more self-actualized, I confronted him (often loudly and frequently) on his racist and homophobic misconceptions, and by high school age, had completely rejected them. But...
To my complete cringing shame, those lies still unexpectedly popped into my head around people of different ethnicities, non-vanilla hetero sexualities, and non-CIS identities. I didn't act negatively on those thoughts (other than self-hate)--often friendly over-compensating in reactions with such individuals--but I still had those lies popping in to my thoughts without my control. I now think of them as "bad wiring" that I consciously immediately route around, but I've largely accepted I'm likely stuck with them for the rest of my life. Worse, I still fear that despite consciously rejecting them, they may still influence me on some un-self-aware, deeply unconscious level.
So yeah, as a lesbian with many LGBT and ethnically-diverse friends, it angers me to see homophobic and racist bias and reactions to them. But I try (admitted failing sometimes) to judge actions people make and not the immediate thoughts/fears/impulses people have, because they probably didn't arrive at those by conscious design. Embedded misinformation, ignorance, and fear takes time and repeated efforts to identify and root out/route around. People like my dad have to repeatedly see evidence that those ideas are wrong--that LGBT and ethnically-diverse people are just like everyone else--and too often badgering them just makes them entrench and defensive, even if they don't consciously understand why they react so. But they can change for the positive if they are gently and patiently encouraged and nudged, like my dad and younger brother have.
And this is why I love that companies like Paizo are leading the charge on inclusiveness, because it'll hopefully lead to a change in public consciousness where some future generation will grow up without being stuck with mental bad-wiring.
Apologies for the long-winded soap-boxing and any public self-flagellation.
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We pretty much only know the sexuality of any Paizo NPCs if they're in a relationship.
Even that case you still have no idea. Being married doesn't necessarily mean the spouses are interested in each other sexually in anyway or that they are not interested in others that have a different gender and/or sex from their spouse.
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We pretty much only know the sexuality of any Paizo NPCs if they're in a relationship.Even that case you still have no idea. Being married doesn't necessarily mean the spouses are interested in each other sexually in anyway or that they are not interested in others that have a different gender and/or sex from their spouse.
I was actually gonna note that, but felt like it distracted from the core point I was aiming for. Still, probably should've noted it.
I know that I (forever to my embarrassment) required a callout and some heavy rewiring about a year ago. My heart is forever in the right place, but sometimes my understanding of the people around me is seriously lacking. That's why when I call people out, I try to be firm yet understanding, because I know it could be a case of just not knowing how painful a person's word choice is.
I appreciate your existence, Ambro <3
Thanks for sticking around here.
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The whole information effecting thought processes is why I sometimes avoid things (like "torture porn" movies, e.g. Saw, Hostel, etc), I just don't want that crap cluttering up my processing unit.
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All I am saying that these people are not 'wrong' for feeling differently than you do.Yes, they are. In this case anyway. Prejudice is bad, not including any particular kind of real people (race, sexuality, gender, whatever) in a fantasy world intended to be inclusive is thus bad. Full stop. Not all prejudiced people are bad people, but that doesn't change the fact that they're wrong.OK, I'd like to offer the suggestion that it is the thought(s) that are wrong, not the individuals for just having them.
As a personal example... I have lived my entire life here in the American (U.S.) South, and was/am constantly exposed to many racist and homophobic "ideas"/misconceptions; I say "ideas" because when unpacked/analyzed, there doesn't seem to be much critical analysis involved before they get absorbed. Growing up with one openly racist/homophobic parent, I and my two siblings unfortunately absorbed these misconceptions along with other invalid information (largely "Calvin's dad"-type harmless mis-explanations). As I grew older and more self-actualized, I confronted him (often loudly and frequently) on his racist and homophobic misconceptions, and by high school age, had completely rejected them. But...
To my complete cringing shame, those lies still unexpectedly popped into my head around people of different ethnicities, non-vanilla hetero sexualities, and non-CIS identities. I didn't act negatively on those thoughts (other than self-hate)--often friendly over-compensating in reactions with such individuals--but I still had those lies popping in to my thoughts without my control. I now think of them as "bad wiring" that I consciously immediately route around, but I've largely accepted I'm likely stuck with them for the rest of my life. Worse, I still fear that despite consciously rejecting them, they may still influence...
I wanted to pop back into this thread earlier because there was some really interesting debate going on when I last stepped out, but holy jeepers it got long. And I was very very intimidated.
Glad to see it's still going, though. For those of us - like me - who are less in the thick of this ongoing subject, threads like these with their soap-box potential for people who are more deeply involved and well learned on the issue are extremely useful and illuminating.
So thank you for sharing your stories and worldviews. It helps to be able to read points of view and experiences I don't often get to see stated so plainly.
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OK, I'd like to offer the suggestion that it is the thought(s) that are wrong, not the individuals for just having them.All I am saying that these people are not 'wrong' for feeling differently than you do.Yes, they are. In this case anyway. Prejudice is bad, not including any particular kind of real people (race, sexuality, gender, whatever) in a fantasy world intended to be inclusive is thus bad. Full stop. Not all prejudiced people are bad people, but that doesn't change the fact that they're wrong.
Re-reading this, I'd like to clarify: In this instance, I meant wrong in the sense of factually incorrect, not anything else. Just for the record.
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Well there is that Lamashtu orgy in Land of Pharaohs...Except nobody's actually having on-page sex in Paizo products.|dvh| is right. I've looked.
Hey, I was absolutely certain that not only would Lamashtu's Flower get cut in development, but I'd probably get an email politely advising me to avoid writing about Lamashtan blood orgies in the future.
And then it stayed in. And then it was illustrated. :D
If it bothers you, overlook it. If it entices you, enjoy it. At least in terms of Pathfinder's games.
Personally, as a supporter of LGBT rights, I find this really well done. I'm running two games and am playing in one right now. I will, in my two games I'm running, introduce same-sex romance characters. Bit NPCs but they will be there.
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I can confirm if nothing else that Wati has a genderqueer crimelord.
So the player's guide is out and I don't like to jump to conclusions based only on images, but that wouldn't happen to be the character on the left, would it? :)
Well there is that Lamashtu orgy in Land of Pharaohs...Except nobody's actually having on-page sex in Paizo products.|dvh| is right. I've looked.Hey, I was absolutely certain that not only would Lamashtu's Flower get cut in development, but I'd probably get an email politely advising me to avoid writing about Lamashtan blood orgies in the future.
And then it stayed in. And then it was illustrated. :D
more ssc and Egyptian-flavored gender-ambiguous lillend orgies next time plz?
You could use your getting-stuff-past-the-radar powers for good!
;)