Hey there ...
Not looking to be an ass here, and I do realize that it's hellah easier to just say, "Oh, I sense strong emotions-- I'll go over there..." but, does Settro have any of the following:
1) Teacher status?
2) Limits on his 'sense emotion' thing? Range? Strength? Concentration? Type?
3) Ability to go from School to Forest instantly?Or should I just, in the interest of "rules light" (a constant struggle here, honest) just ignore the above and press on my with my own stuff?
Advice?
Sense emotion thing has no set limit. It's vauge, but the stronger the emotion, the farther he can sense them.
One- he walked there, it wasn't instant, he's on the grounds, he was patrolling the school, and he looked at him from the grounds.
Or should even slightly improbable things never happen, like everything going wrong on one day all at once? That raises more alarms then what i just did.
My bad, I guess I read that he was in the Forest, per the post of the player in question.
Then again, forest /could/ literally be two feet outside the school. Vague abilities drive me batty-- distance and how they work, Willsaves, etc. are handy in these cases.
That's just me though. :)
Cheers.
My bad, I guess I read that he was in the Forest, per the post of the player in question.
Then again, forest /could/ literally be two feet outside the school. Vague abilities drive me batty-- distance and how they work, Willsaves, etc. are handy in these cases.
That's just me though. :)
Cheers.
Think of emotions for him like you would hear sound, except no object blocks it, only distance.
You radiate emotion, and he picks up on it- and is eating tiny bits of it at the same time.There is no save, much like there is no save vs making sound when you take a step. Now, with a good autohypnosis check or a misdirection spell, you could attempt to deceive him.
My bad, I guess I read that he was in the Forest, per the post of the player in question.
Then again, forest /could/ literally be two feet outside the school. Vague abilities drive me batty-- distance and how they work, Willsaves, etc. are handy in these cases.
That's just me though. :)
Cheers.
Think of emotions for him like you would hear sound, except no object blocks it, only distance.
You radiate emotion, and he picks up on it- and is eating tiny bits of it at the same time.
What about psychic walls?
Quick question for yah Lyn. Did Ori go to sleep after the wards came back on line or was she going to stay up with Salis through the next day?When not in Kami form Ori is a normalish human and does require sleep on a semi-regular basis. In other words she would have tried to stay up and probably petered out sometime in the early morning hours.
Just wondering since Salis usually skips a day of sleep or two. Especially with everything going on he would want to keeps a look out while people sleep.
What about psychic walls?My bad, I guess I read that he was in the Forest, per the post of the player in question.
Then again, forest /could/ literally be two feet outside the school. Vague abilities drive me batty-- distance and how they work, Willsaves, etc. are handy in these cases.
That's just me though. :)
Cheers.
Think of emotions for him like you would hear sound, except no object blocks it, only distance.
You radiate emotion, and he picks up on it- and is eating tiny bits of it at the same time.
Possibly. A little more specific, please.
Possibly. A little more specific, please.What about psychic walls?My bad, I guess I read that he was in the Forest, per the post of the player in question.
Then again, forest /could/ literally be two feet outside the school. Vague abilities drive me batty-- distance and how they work, Willsaves, etc. are handy in these cases.
That's just me though. :)
Cheers.
Think of emotions for him like you would hear sound, except no object blocks it, only distance.
You radiate emotion, and he picks up on it- and is eating tiny bits of it at the same time.
Yeah, that's what I'm asking for too-- why not just make it Detect Emotions, per the spell (with all the limits) and throw in a new 'range'/distance? That seems fair. You /cannot/ possibly have emotions across the planet, or universe.
Know what I mean? Define it a bit. :)
I can prepare my spells in a normal hour right?
With two personalities working I think he should be able to.
I'm definitely going to like playing him. :)
Formatting all that text on a phone is tough, though.
I can prepare my spells in a normal hour right?
With two personalities working I think he should be able to.
I'm definitely going to like playing him. :)
Formatting all that text on a phone is tough, though.
One hour per class, would be my understanding, regardless of your mental abilities since it's your one body doing the work. :P
Then again, if you're actually two distinct PCs in one body...
That's different.
Know what I mean? Just a thought. There are some Feats that help too.
Possibly. A little more specific, please.What about psychic walls?My bad, I guess I read that he was in the Forest, per the post of the player in question.
Then again, forest /could/ literally be two feet outside the school. Vague abilities drive me batty-- distance and how they work, Willsaves, etc. are handy in these cases.
That's just me though. :)
Cheers.
Think of emotions for him like you would hear sound, except no object blocks it, only distance.
You radiate emotion, and he picks up on it- and is eating tiny bits of it at the same time.Yeah, that's what I'm asking for too-- why not just make it Detect Emotions, per the spell (with all the limits) and throw in a new 'range'/distance? That seems fair. You /cannot/ possibly have emotions across the planet, or universe.
Know what I mean? Define it a bit. :)
Nah.
I like it vauge.Defining it gives a strict limit of how or what it does. I haven't used it to power game, and has it been a problem to anyone yet?
Nah.
I like it vauge.
Defining it gives a strict limit of how or what it does. I haven't used it to power game, and has it been a problem to anyone yet?
/Clearly/, my asking and bringing this up, isn't an indication of it being a problem, /at all/.
NOTE: HEAVY SARCASM.
I'm just going to go with 'rules light' then, and STHU. :) Rock on.
I can prepare my spells in a normal hour right?
With two personalities working I think he should be able to.
I'm definitely going to like playing him. :)
Formatting all that text on a phone is tough, though.One hour per class, would be my understanding, regardless of your mental abilities since it's your one body doing the work. :P
Then again, if you're actually two distinct PCs in one body...
That's different.
Know what I mean? Just a thought. There are some Feats that help too.
I think Mystic Theurge cuts it to one. It takes the lists and progresses them both.
If it doesn't it really should. Two hours is a long time.
...
Ok....
You know, one- i don't know where that spell is.
Two, it's been used this way for i don't know how long, and you just now bring it up?
I can prepare my spells in a normal hour right?
With two personalities working I think he should be able to.
I'm definitely going to like playing him. :)
Formatting all that text on a phone is tough, though.One hour per class, would be my understanding, regardless of your mental abilities since it's your one body doing the work. :P
Then again, if you're actually two distinct PCs in one body...
That's different.
Know what I mean? Just a thought. There are some Feats that help too.
I think Mystic Theurge cuts it to one. It takes the lists and progresses them both.
If it doesn't it really should. Two hours is a long time.
It is an intentional limitation and part of the game 'balance'. Embrace the patience it brings. :D
What exactly does it sense? All emotions, negative ones, a specific list?
Asking for Silinrul, btw.
Does Renkai generate any kind of smell? Scent would come into play here.
What exactly does it sense? All emotions, negative ones, a specific list?
Asking for Silinrul, btw.
Oh, look -- perhaps another person asking for details! Vague isn't good.
Unless:
a) Yer an NPC and it's a plot point, take that you dirty PCs!
b) You're the GM. :)
It is an intentional limitation and part of the game 'balance'. Embrace the patience it brings. :DI can prepare my spells in a normal hour right?
With two personalities working I think he should be able to.
I'm definitely going to like playing him. :)
Formatting all that text on a phone is tough, though.One hour per class, would be my understanding, regardless of your mental abilities since it's your one body doing the work. :P
Then again, if you're actually two distinct PCs in one body...
That's different.
Know what I mean? Just a thought. There are some Feats that help too.
I think Mystic Theurge cuts it to one. It takes the lists and progresses them both.
If it doesn't it really should. Two hours is a long time.
Losing all the class abilities of those past third was more than enough balance for me. >_< :P
I'll look the page over and see if it says anything.If it was just multiclassing I'd understand it, but Theurge makes it something kinda different.
What exactly does it sense? All emotions, negative ones, a specific list?
Asking for Silinrul, btw.
All emotions.
He eats them, not enough to be noticeable, all the time, from everyone around him.Being around extremely happy people makes him nauseous,
And being around extremely pained or sad people is like ambrosia.
(Exception- sexual pleasure. It is neither a positive or negative emotion for him, as, though it is pleasure, he is a demon of lust. Also, long term exposure to incredibly strong emotions of either type gives him migraines.)
Oh, look -- perhaps another person asking for details! Vague isn't good.What exactly does it sense? All emotions, negative ones, a specific list?
Asking for Silinrul, btw.
Alright, then i should retire adon.
Exactly what he can and can't do isn't set, so he's an awful charecter.I get it now.
not sure if Grim is about yet but he usually joins Lang for morning meditations
if not then I was going go ahead and have Lang go and visit Ignace but I can/will wait a bit longer in any case...
Oh, look -- perhaps another person asking for details! Vague isn't good.What exactly does it sense? All emotions, negative ones, a specific list?
Asking for Silinrul, btw.
Alright, then i should retire adon.
Exactly what he can and can't do isn't set, so he's an awful charecter.
I get it now.
You are over reacting, but if you want to make that leap, go ahead? I'm talking about Settro's emotion senses, not sure why you're changing the subject to someone else.
As I said before, I had dropped the subject. :) Monkeygod did ask some questions and rather then say "It's vague." to him, you answered right off with details.
Not that hard, right?
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Icehawk, it isn't necessarily about vagueness. People want to know what Settro can do because of how it effects their characters. They may be able to give you helpful hints from time to time if they know. It's more about how he is interacting that the questions have come up in many encounters actually. You don't have to have everything nailed down, but some clarifications about range and what would stop it would really be helpful and if you could manage that when you get a chance I think folks would really appreciate it.
Also, Dami, please watch your tone. Internet does not communicate dry humor well. We're missing all the visual cues. Unless you're like my husband who I swear to god needs to have a sign to hold up when he's joking since it sounds just like any other time he's talking. >.<
Oh, look -- perhaps another person asking for details! Vague isn't good.What exactly does it sense? All emotions, negative ones, a specific list?
Asking for Silinrul, btw.
Alright, then i should retire adon.
Exactly what he can and can't do isn't set, so he's an awful charecter.
I get it now.You are over reacting, but if you want to make that leap, go ahead? I'm talking about Settro's emotion senses, not sure why you're changing the subject to someone else.
As I said before, I had dropped the subject. :) Monkeygod did ask some questions and rather then say "It's vague." to him, you answered right off with details.
Not that hard, right?
Yes, but you were trying to define range. Almost everything else about the ablity is already defined.
Icehawk, it isn't necessarily about vagueness. People want to know what Settro can do because of how it effects their characters. They may be able to give you helpful hints from time to time if they know. It's more about how he is interacting that the questions have come up in many encounters actually. You don't have to have everything nailed down, but some clarifications about range and what would stop it would really be helpful and if you could manage that when you get a chance I think folks would really appreciate it.
Also, Dami, please watch your tone. Internet does not communicate dry humor well. We're missing all the visual cues. Unless you're like my husband who I swear to god needs to have a sign to hold up when he's joking since it sounds just like any other time he's talking. >.<
Righto.
I do tend to get snarky, perhaps I too need signs. Primarily the point is identical to what you mentioned, Lynora.
Secondly, we're playing with a game system that has things neatly defined. That helps in 'sticky situations' as a common language.
Should have opened with that. :)
Moot point though, I did pass on it. As far as *I* am concerned, I'm no longer concerned. :)
A baseline mechanic for his senses range-
(Remember, emotions also qualify sensations like pain and pleasure.)
100 ft- normal levels of emotion
1000 ft- somewhat emotional, slight injury
1 mile- quite afraid, or nervous, large injury
5 miles- ubsurd amounts of emotion, like witnessing death of a loved one, or the level of pain received by undergoing a flesh-warping
10 miles- wilder wild surging. Within 100 ft, settro would be sickened.
All emotions.
He eats them, not enough to be noticeable, all the time, from everyone around him.
Being around extremely happy people makes him nauseous,
And being around extremely pained or sad people is like ambrosia.
(Exception- sexual pleasure. It is neither a positive or negative emotion for him, as, though it is pleasure, he is a demon of lust. Also, long term exposure to incredibly strong emotions of either type gives him migraines.)
You may want to have noted that all night long, there was EXTREME HAPPINESS going on from the School. :) Definitely from one person, at least -- not assuming on the girl's parts.
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A baseline mechanic for his senses range-
(Remember, emotions also qualify sensations like pain and pleasure.)100 ft- normal levels of emotion
1000 ft- somewhat emotional, slight injury
1 mile- quite afraid, or nervous, large injury
5 miles- ubsurd amounts of emotion, like witnessing death of a loved one, or the level of pain received by undergoing a flesh-warping
10 miles- wilder wild surging. Within 100 ft, settro would be sickened.
Wild Surge does that to him, huh? Interesting.
You may want to have noted that all night long, there was EXTREME HAPPINESS going on from the School. :) Definitely from one person, at least -- not assuming on the girl's parts.
All emotions.
He eats them, not enough to be noticeable, all the time, from everyone around him.
Being around extremely happy people makes him nauseous,
And being around extremely pained or sad people is like ambrosia.
(Exception- sexual pleasure. It is neither a positive or negative emotion for him, as, though it is pleasure, he is a demon of lust. Also, long term exposure to incredibly strong emotions of either type gives him migraines.)
That counts as sexual pleasure, I'd think.
(When i say sexual pleasure, i mean just about any lustful act- "playing around" of most any sort.)
You may want to have noted that all night long, there was EXTREME HAPPINESS going on from the School. :) Definitely from one person, at least -- not assuming on the girl's parts.
All emotions.
He eats them, not enough to be noticeable, all the time, from everyone around him.
Being around extremely happy people makes him nauseous,
And being around extremely pained or sad people is like ambrosia.
(Exception- sexual pleasure. It is neither a positive or negative emotion for him, as, though it is pleasure, he is a demon of lust. Also, long term exposure to incredibly strong emotions of either type gives him migraines.)That counts as sexual pleasure, I'd think.
(When i say sexual pleasure, i mean just about any lustful act- "playing around" of most any sort.)
No, I assure you-- Tryko'Sam was VERY HAPPY for hours on end, pleasuring the girls, not due to his physical enjoyment of it. :) It's an thrilling thing to be felt, quite happy.
Alright then. Settro can tolerate that. He probably would have kept his distance, though. And washed his mouth out often. It doesn't really help, but it feels like it does.
It would have been good to know about the wild surge part, as Nix is a wilder and expended every scrap of psionic power he had healing and fixing things last night, to include all the surges he could do.
He does not often need to surge, but last night he burned through all of the surges.
The sickening would only last until the round of surge was over. Settro never got into any combat after the very first one with darth vai, so it really isn't a problem.
DB3, how successful is the mazing?
I hope for Settro's sake he's not staying in a room near Dom's. A lot of the emotions are lust but that's not all that come from that room. :p
Yeah, yeah it would be.
Pain surge probobly would both sicken him and cause intense pleasure at the same time.
I hope for Settro's sake he's not staying in a room near Dom's. A lot of the emotions are lust but that's not all that come from that room. :p
he rarely actually uses his room. He only sleeps two hours a day, and will often sleep just about anywhere.
Lyn, I was wondering if I could get a ruling on the one or two hour preparation time.
Dami, I don't want to discount what you said, but I really have just as many reasons to believe that its one as the other.
^_^
Lyn, I was wondering if I could get a ruling on the one or two hour preparation time.
Dami, I don't want to discount what you said, but I really have just as many reasons to believe that its one as the other.
^_^
For what it's worth--
Mystic Theurge does /not/ list anywhere that you combine your preparation times into one hour, that's why I'm dismissing it.
You would a) be insulting your God's hour requirements, and b) ignoring the Arcane caster prep time required-- which are completely independent of one another, per their story/write up, etc.
That's my logic.
Now, if it's different /minds/ doing different things, then maybe. :) But part of casting is your biological (i.e. one body) ability to 'store' the magics.
Yeah, i think he's just worried his charecter will be cut out of two hours every day. Around here, that's quite a long time.
To offer an alternate perpective - since we /are/ playing Rules Light. If you god is a god of magic, for example Nethys, then studying your spellbook /could/ be considered communing with your deity as well. I agree with Dami that, as per the rules the prep times should be seperate. BUT.
It shouldn't IMO, affect your ability to roleplay. Just have yourself wake up a little early each morning for prep time.
Yeah, i think he's just worried his charecter will be cut out of two hours every day. Around here, that's quite a long time.
I have /never/ seen anyone be limited by either class schedules, distance, or time in any fashion, so that's why I'm trying to promote dismissal of the fear of two hours of IC life being taken up, and encouraging that it's two hours of sexy roleplaying someone who's dedicated to divine and arcane casting.
Which is hot.
Cheers.
Yeah, i think he's just worried his charecter will be cut out of two hours every day. Around here, that's quite a long time.I have /never/ seen anyone be limited by either class schedules, distance, or time in any fashion, so that's why I'm trying to promote dismissal of the fear of two hours of IC life being taken up, and encouraging that it's two hours of sexy roleplaying someone who's dedicated to divine and arcane casting.
Which is hot.
Cheers.
I'm not sure if you're trying to say that having two hours of a day eaten up is a good thing, or if it should be done early, or what...
It seems like you're encouraging him to do nothing of any interest for two hours in game because of roleplay, boring the hell out of the player. But i may be reading this wrong.
I'm not sure if you're trying to say that having two hours of a day eaten up is a good thing, or if it should be done early, or what...
It seems like you're encouraging him to do nothing of any interest for two hours in game because of roleplay, boring the hell out of the player. But i may be reading this wrong.
Point to me on instance where two hours ICly being 'busy' have stopped RPing.
Then ask the same question after reading what I wrote. I have /never/ seen anyone limited due to being 'busy' IC yet.
This has nothing to do with 'boring the hell out of the player' -- cause that hasn't happened. Has it?
I'd really be fine either way.
If it takes one, it takes one. If it takes two, it takes two.
I just want to see what Lyn has to say about it as DM. I'd be happier with one, but I won't complain either way.
In character Lim-Mor wouldn't care for being up that early at all. He's about as stereotypical as a guy can get.
Lots of sleep lots of food. He only wakes up that early to let them do that to keep them quiet.
Really guys, this is nothing to argue over.
I'm not sure if you're trying to say that having two hours of a day eaten up is a good thing, or if it should be done early, or what...
It seems like you're encouraging him to do nothing of any interest for two hours in game because of roleplay, boring the hell out of the player. But i may be reading this wrong.
Point to me on instance where two hours ICly being 'busy' have stopped RPing.
Then ask the same question after reading what I wrote. I have /never/ seen anyone limited due to being 'busy' IC yet.
This has nothing to do with 'boring the hell out of the player' -- cause that hasn't happened. Has it?
Preparing spells requires uninterrupted focus'- ie, you do absolutely nothing else.
"I read my book."
"I keep reading my book."
Yeah...sometimes you really do have to look at the rules and ask why...and spell prep time is one of those things. I hate it, I've always hated it, and more often than not it is used to penalize the party because the casters have to spend the time. So I'm inclined to not rule for two hours right off the bat because things that penalize the player(s) just aren't that fun. This isn't a game about resource management. Add to that that the whole point of the mystic theurge is the amazing ability to do both arcane and divine casting and I would rule for only an hour of prep time.
Preparing spells requires uninterrupted focus'- ie, you do absolutely nothing else.
"I read my book."
"I keep reading my book."
You appear to be unable to do what I've requested a few times in earlier posts-- provide evidence where taking two hours IC is a hindrance.
Seeing as you appear to only wish to express your opinion, without actually engaging /me/ in the conversation as I am attempting to do with you, I'm going to stop discussing this with you.
Cheers.
Thank you. :)
Now that's over. No more about it.
With how few class features it gives, I think they should add that as one of them.