Why does Gods pay attention to Golarion?


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It's kind of weird how many gods seem to have influence on Golarion, and with the war of immortal coming, it even more important than ever. Unless there is potentially million of gods, which then godhood kind of lose a little bit of meaning. Also does god actually have effect with the natural world? I'm assume not since there was humanity before the god of human.


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The world of Golarion was created by the gods.

IDK how much is conjecture based on the mechanics of souls/death/mortal dual-nature, and how much as been confirmed, but mortals are basically cattle/crops for the gods.

Mortals create free soul-energy and grow super quick, and the gods want mortal souls to feed them/their domain. Much of the time there is a middle step when the gods let/force the mortal to be reborn as an outsider first, but once that outsider dies, the soul is still going to the god like fuel.

Gods are all in competition for the mortal souls of Golarion. We are their food, so it makes sense that they care /affect the mortal realm to their own benefit.


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Golarion is the prison for Rovagug. Almost all the forces in the universe are not interested in Rovagug being freed and starting the destruction of all things. So they reserve their strength and attention to supervise this dungeon, as well as the others who are watching. In addition, there are still some forces who want his release, and they are trying to resist them. So Golarion is a keg of gunpowder in divine politics, where the interests of almost every divine being in the setting are tied.


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Paolingou wrote:
It's kind of weird how many gods seem to have influence on Golarion, and with the war of immortal coming, it even more important than ever. Unless there is potentially million of gods, which then godhood kind of lose a little bit of meaning. Also does god actually have effect with the natural world? I'm assume not since there was humanity before the god of human.

Because they didn't had anything better to do and it looks fun! kkk

Anyway in Starfinder you notice that there are many gods (probably million of gods along the universe) that acts in many different worlds in different ways and focus. Many deities focus in some specific planets due their specific reasons. Iomedae and Cayden Cailean have their origin from Golarion as mortals. So it's natural for them to focus their attention into Golarion where also the place that they have their worshipers.

When Rovagug tried to destroy Earth, Androffa, and Golarion, Sarenrae decided that Rovagug would have to be defeated, and gathered under her banner an unlikely collection of gods: Abadar, Apsu, Asmodeus, Calistria, Dahak, Desna, Dou-Bral, Erastil, Gozreh, Pharasma, and Torag, along with a number of other gods from more remote parts of the world. This make many of these deities to focus in some many ways in Golarion and make most of Golarion inhabitants to keep knowledge of these deities and of corse these deities influence another deities and this and many other events keeps the attention of many gods to Golarion.

Its like a capital/big cities of countries that due many different reason along the history attract people to them. Golarion is like a "capital/big city" to many deities.


Paolingou wrote:
It's kind of weird how many gods seem to have influence on Golarion, and with the war of immortal coming, it even more important than ever. Unless there is potentially million of gods, which then godhood kind of lose a little bit of meaning. Also does god actually have effect with the natural world? I'm assume not since there was humanity before the god of human.

It really depends on the deity.

A lot of the lesser known ones aren't all that attached to Golarion specifically; they are mostly there because that is the setting in which they dwell/exist in, and don't really have much influence outside of that. Deities like Ragathiel or Dahak are far more grounded in their purpose; Ragathiel basically just wants to annihilate all fiends as they despise they were born from them, and Dahak just wants to destroy everything that opposes their Draconian agenda (basically, if Rovagug was some Dragon god instead).

Compared to the Core 20, whom both have the most worshippers as well as the most influence on the setting, the lesser deities are neither worshipped as much, nor are they really major factors in Golarion except under specific circumstances. Heck, some entities are worshipped as a deity and aren't a deity at all, simply because they are in awe of their power or even perhaps link their heritage to them, and is most common in lower level entities.

Incidentally, Golarion exists as a means to keep Rovagug trapped and caged, because if Rovagug is ever free, it basically spells doom for the entirety of the universe, since we know Rovagug can outright kill deities, and is basically immortal compared to the rest of the Core 20, hence why the remainder of them banded together and fashioned Golarion to imprison Rovagug. Even Rovagug's children/spawn (such as the Tarrasque) are basically god-like entities in mortal flesh, since there is no real way to kill them; at best, they can be incapacitated and, through the most powerful of magicks, sent to some other plane of existence (or perhaps to the same prison that Rovagug is held in currently, so they can't escape, but it's entirely possible that it will weaken the prison that much more).


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Rovagug's prison is worth keeping an eye on.


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Because it makes the game more fun and fits the anthropomorphic model of gods that was prevalent in the ancient world in mythology.


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There are probably thousands of inhabited worlds in the universe, it would be pretty strange if there weren't millions of gods, even if many of those gods are worshipped on multiple worlds. From what I understand, many groups of gods tend to particular worlds, while others gave been known to shift from one world to another. I don't think we have confirmation of any particular deity with multi-world followings before Starfinder, but given that Sarenrae created every sun in the universe, it would be strange if she didn't have any other worshippers except around this star (even if we know she's not even the only sun deity in Golarion, much less in the universe).

This is one of the reasons why I find the idea that certain deities dying would destroy their portfolios. Certainly any deity dying would cause disruption in the things they manage, but with a few exceptions (say Pharasma and Asmodeus' roles as the rulers of entire planes) there are many other divine powers that embody the same aspects of reality.


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Remember that our knowledge of divinity in Golarion and its powers are mostly tied to myth, not certainty. Also different regions in Golarion have different gods for different domains. Sarenrae’s death would not necessarily mean the sun disappears, we are not even certain she made it/there is not worldwide agreement on that.

The same is true for every PF2 deity. Even Phrasma’s death would not necessarily end the cycle of birth/death and the movement of souls through the boneyard. People, maybe even the gods themselves might believe such things, but the story only ends that way if you, or the GM, decides that to be the case…or if the writers end up writing it that way in a future book, and even then, you don’t have to go along with it if you don’t want to.


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Also there are presumably other gods who take specific interest in other planets, and we just don't talk about them very much because they're not interested in Golarion.

Like there are followers of Hylax out there in the universe somewhere.


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/sarcasm
Because the Overgod Paizo decided so... :p

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Trip.H wrote:

The world of Golarion was created by the gods.

IDK how much is conjecture based on the mechanics of souls/death/mortal dual-nature, and how much as been confirmed, but mortals are basically cattle/crops for the gods.

Mortals create free soul-energy and grow super quick, and the gods want mortal souls to feed them/their domain. Much of the time there is a middle step when the gods let/force the mortal to be reborn as an outsider first, but once that outsider dies, the soul is still going to the god like fuel.

Gods are all in competition for the mortal souls of Golarion. We are their food, so it makes sense that they care /affect the mortal realm to their own benefit.

AFAICT this is somewhat a misrepresentation.

The mortal souls do not feed the gods. After the mortal's death, their soul ends up strengthening in various ways the outer planes that is closest to their values / worldview.

The Maelstrom is eternally eroding the soulstuff other outer planes are made of and recycles it back into the cycle as new souls ready to be merged with a mortal body again through birth.

So, we are not the gods' food. We are the filters that get to decide through our choices where the soulstuff goes.

Note also that the gods created all the Universe and all its worlds (as well as the First World of the fae), not just Golarion.


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Some of the gods. Supposedly. That is what I love about Golarion’s deities. There are conflicting stories about how the world was made and the roles the gods played in in. There is a core 20 of gods that have a pretty consistent story within the inner sea region and beyond of Golarion, and some of those gods may go by other names elsewhere, so they could be the same gods, but they might not be, and the myths of their scriptures don’t always agree, and some of the stories have been filtered through incredibly unreliable narrators, like Asmodian scholars.


I think that, aside from it being the prison of Rovagug, Golarion is exceptionally special among the thousands of planets in the Material Plane because, there are hundreds, perhaps thousands of sentient races on Golarion, while most other planets have only one or two sentient races (according to Distant Worlds and Starfinder I guess). Also, Golarion is not a planet of hats, unlike most other planets, whose inhabitants all share a single defining characteristic.


Aenigma wrote:
Golarion is not a planet of hats, unlike most other planets, whose inhabitants all share a single defining characteristic.

If that is true, then what is earth defining characteristic?


Paolingou wrote:
Aenigma wrote:
Golarion is not a planet of hats, unlike most other planets, whose inhabitants all share a single defining characteristic.
If that is true, then what is earth defining characteristic?

Guns, Sentient Evil Mustard Gas Clouds, and Possessed Tanks.

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Paolingou wrote:
Aenigma wrote:
Golarion is not a planet of hats, unlike most other planets, whose inhabitants all share a single defining characteristic.
If that is true, then what is earth defining characteristic?

Humans only. With all the characteristics of Humanity as exemplified by Aroden, whose domains really should have been egotism, short-sightedness, insecurity and irresponsibility.


TheFinish wrote:
Paolingou wrote:
Aenigma wrote:
Golarion is not a planet of hats, unlike most other planets, whose inhabitants all share a single defining characteristic.
If that is true, then what is earth defining characteristic?
Guns, Sentient Evil Mustard Gas Clouds, and Possessed Tanks.

And Rasputin.

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