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Are you looking to homebrew something new? Or are you suggesting things for the PF2 Remaster that is already printed?
Have you seen the Remaster Preview - including the leaked pages for the Witch class?
I suggest waiting for the Remastered Player Core 1 book to arrive and checking if the reworked Witch class is more to your liking.
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The books are not out yet,
They are, however, already printed. You can see them here.
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The books are not out yet,They are, however, already printed. You can see them here.
To elebarote, books need to be finalized and go to the printer months before release. So they cannot, in fact, make changes, much less drastic overhauls.
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Maybe they could get a feature or feat to allow them to sustain all of their sustained spells as a single action too, really push them as a caster who excels in extended fights.
Well... technically Witch already has that... A free action even.
As a level 20 feat that has a prerequisite feat and costs a focus point each time it is used.
So... not sure that really counts for what you are wanting.
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Personally, I think Witch needs to have Light Armor proficiency baseline.
Reason is because the familiar uses the Witch’s AC (unless this changes in the Remaster). If they want the Witch to be using their familiar in combat more often (and close to the frontlines), being -2 (-1 with Mystic Armor) doesn’t really help.
Also, 8hp/lvl, since a melee Witch is supposed to be valid sub-playstyle. A melee Witch will have to go +3 STR/+3 DEX and starting at +2 INT sets them up numerically for a gishy playstyle. That’s just a me thing though. Technically, the Witch that needs it so they can match other casters is the Divine Witch. Intriguingly, it’s familiar ability is a strange way to give the Divine Witch bonus HP without giving that to all Witch subclasses.
But I have a feeling we’re gonna get the same 6HP/Unarmored and again Witch’s Armaments/Sympathetic Strike will be trap feats and having your familiar too close is just gonna get them straight-up murdered by GMs.
I would say no, melee witch is not supposed to be viable and familiars are not supposed to be in combat. I would say the nails and hair cause a miscommunication and reflects poorly on the inclusion of those feats
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I know they do it's why I didn't mention any of those classesBard has light armor proficiency, Druid has medium armor, Cleric has "Warpriest" that gets medium armor, Oracle has light armor,
Yes. We have threads about this.
The question is: what does the spellcasting class get in return for 6 HP per level and no armor proficiency?
Bard, Druid, Oracle, and others bypass this by having 8 HP and at least light armor.
Wizard and Sorcerer get 4 spell slots per level.
Cloistered Cleric gets Healing Font - a big pile of high level spells.
Psychic gets two focus points, a unique cantrip, modification buffs to two other cantrips, three amps, and the ability to refocus two focus points at a time.
Witch gets...? A familiar?
They only get one focus point and their one focus spell that they cast with it is generally not used. At least pre-remaster when the familiar is completely useless in combat and may as well be kept as a tattoo or in a pocket dimension. They do get one unique cantrip, but they generally aren't anything in comparison to what Psychic is getting for their unique cantrip.
…familiars are not supposed to be in combat.Remaster Witch design says otherwise.
You'd have to be more specific. A familiar was always technically "in combat" with you but they're not a combatant. I would keep them away harm at all costs
You'd have to be more specific. A familiar was always technically "in combat" with you but they're not a combatant. I would keep them away harm at all costs…familiars are not supposed to be in combat.Remaster Witch design says otherwise.
Tunu is right. See the witch preview here
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Witch familiars are pretty much all getting an ability which triggers when the witch casts or sustains a hex and affect a creature within 5 to 15 feet. (15 is the most common distance.) Given the range of hexes is generally only 30 feet, the ideal witch turn will involve them turreting within 30 feet of an enemy with their familiar at 15 feet, using one action to sustain a hex and the other two to cast spells.
Luckily, we have rather a lot of defensive buffs available to familiars now, I including a bunch out of Rage of Elements. Even just flier and independent will likely suffice for most fights.
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Yeah. Should be awesome. Much more entertaining than hanging out in a Pet Cache dimension all day with absolutely nothing to do.
You'd have to be more specific. A familiar was always technically "in combat" with you but they're not a combatant. I would keep them away harm at all costs…familiars are not supposed to be in combat.Remaster Witch design says otherwise.Tunu is right. See the witch preview here
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Witch familiars are pretty much all getting an ability which triggers when the witch casts or sustains a hex and affect a creature within 5 to 15 feet. (15 is the most common distance.) Given the range of hexes is generally only 30 feet, the ideal witch turn will involve them turreting within 30 feet of an enemy with their familiar at 15 feet, using one action to sustain a hex and the other two to cast spells.
Luckily, we have rather a lot of defensive buffs available to familiars now, I including a bunch out of Rage of Elements. Even just flier and independent will likely suffice for most fights.
I would still say not a combatant here. You aren't having the familiar hit people, and even with the ability to deliver touch spells, I would advise any player to never use this. Their familiar will get wrecked and then you won't be able to cast spells for a week or a few days or whatever the penalty is
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I would advise any player to never use this.
Kind of a big red flag to tell someone to not use one of their core class features.
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I'll also note some of the patron familiar abilities are really good. Particularly the Resentment, which looks like it will elevate witches to the best debuffers in the game. We have also seen a feat that makes your familiar deal (Lv-2)d6 with riders once per 10 minutes, only costing the witch one action. I think it is safe to assume your familiar will draw the occasional aggro, and certainly will be getting caught in some AoE. Luckily, you don't need to take any downtime to recover a witch familiar, as it returns the next day even before Remaster buffs.
IIRC it's a day for witches, and that's assuming they haven't got some manner of goody to bring their familiar back sooner.
Actually, that would be a kind of neat focus spell. Spend a focus point and you can bring your familiar back after they die earlier than having to wait the next day. That way you can still have an issue of your effect turret being downed in combat, but you can bring your familiar back afterwards and do it again in the next combat.
The issue with the idea is that, assuming nothing else changes, you need your familiar to refocus. I'm instead hoping that witches gain an ability to heal or even revive the familiar by refocusing.
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I would advise any player to never use this.Kind of a big red flag to tell someone to not use one of their core class features.
This is an optional feature for all familiars since the CRB. One which is worse than other abilities you can choose in it's stead. It's not a core class feature of the witch
This is an optional feature for all familiars since the CRB. One which is worse than other abilities you can choose in it's stead. It's not a core class feature of the witchI would advise any player to never use this.Kind of a big red flag to tell someone to not use one of their core class features.
I think the confusion was over what you're advising Witch to not use. "Don't use the new class features that make the familiar relevant in combat" is a little questionable. "Don't use the Spell Delivery familiar ability to deliver offensive spells" is reasonable advice, especially because it means having no actions to cast/sustain a hex without Cackle.
nice a level 20 class feat that lets me sustain... only multiple hex spells... for a focus point, if I take a feat that isn't a prerequisite
Well, the real benefit of that level 20 feat is that you can finally cast more than one Hex in a round.
Which means that you can both cast one of your offense focus spells without losing the ability to protect your familiar.
And even better, that means that an Evil Eye casting Witch will be able to hit most of the enemies on round 1 and will finally feel marginally competitive with a Bard using Dirge of Doom since level 6.
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Yeah. There is a reason that Witch is getting reworked in the Remaster.
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A bad feature is bad even if it is new.I think the confusion was over what you're advising Witch to not use. "Don't use the new class features that make the familiar relevant in combat" is a little questionable. "Don't use the Spell Delivery familiar ability to deliver offensive spells" is reasonable advice, especially because it means having no actions to cast/sustain a hex without Cackle.This is an optional feature for all familiars since the CRB. One which is worse than other abilities you can choose in it's stead. It's not a core class feature of the witchI would advise any player to never use this.Kind of a big red flag to tell someone to not use one of their core class features.
The new features aren't bad though, at least not across the board. The good ones turn your familiar into a mini-bard, and the best one means enemies who succeed on saves against slow or synesthesia still effectively fail and will be slowed 1 or clumsy 3 the rest of their short lives.
And then there's the new rune witch's.
God I hope they come out with a second arcane patron.