Does the scorpion whip even qualify to become a magus's black blade?


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Silver Crusade

Since it's technically classified as a light weapon?


no - it must be from the one handed weapon category


What’s weird is that you can use the scorpion whip as a whip if you have proficiency in both. So it can be a one-handed weapon in the right situation.

It really doesn’t make sense that it’s a light weapon in the first place.


Melkiador wrote:

What’s weird is that you can use the scorpion whip as a whip if you have proficiency in both. So it can be a one-handed weapon in the right situation.

It really doesn’t make sense that it’s a light weapon in the first place.

That is because the scorpion whip don't possess the reach ability so is more easy to use


Zepheri wrote:
Melkiador wrote:

What’s weird is that you can use the scorpion whip as a whip if you have proficiency in both. So it can be a one-handed weapon in the right situation.

It really doesn’t make sense that it’s a light weapon in the first place.

That is because the scorpion whip don't possess the reach ability so is more easy to use

It doesn't, but yet it does? Because you can choose to wield it as a whip and have the reach.

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When you use a scorpion whip as a whip, it is equivalent to a whip, but deals lethal damage and can harm creatures regardless of their armor bonus.

So, it's exactly like a whip, including the length, with just a change to how it does damage.

The scorpion whip is even a pound heavier than a whip. So the heavier weapon that's just as long is a light weapon while the lighter weapon is one-handed.


If you are proficient with both the scorpion whip and whip, you can use a scorpion whip in either the normal way (as a light performance weapon) or as a whip
You must be proficiency in both whip so you can apply the reach effects in the scorpion whip and only to increase like 5 or 10 feet instead of the 15 that the normal whip does


There's an FAQ.

https://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1g1#v5748eaic9t9r

https://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1g1#v5748eaic9t9r wrote:

Scorpion Whips: How do scorpion whips work? There are several published sources of scorpion whips, and they seem inconsistent.

Change the last sentence in the Ultimate Combat scorpion whip's description to say "If you are proficient with both scorpion whips and whips, you can use a scorpion whip in either the normal way, as a typical light performance weapon, or as a whip. When you use a scorpion whip as a whip, it is otherwise equivalent to a whip, but it deals lethal damage and can harm creatures regardless of their armor bonus." This change will be reflected in future errata.

What this means is that the scorpion whip is normally a light performance weapon with no other special weapon features, but that someone with both proficiencies can also use it as a whip, in which case it acts precisely like a whip in all ways (one-handed weapon, attack out to 15 feet, provoke an attack of opportunity, can use the Whip Mastery feats, etc) except that it deals lethal damage and can harm creatures regardless of their armor bonus.

So, the scorpion whip is no shorter than a whip is. And it's 50% heavier than a whip. So it's weird that it is a light weapon and the whip is a one-handed weapon.


https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/58688/scorpion-whip-how-does-it-act ually-work/58689#58689
This page explain the situation


Stack exchange is not an official source. But your link is broken.


Zepheri wrote:

https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/58688/scorpion-whip-how-does-it-act ually-work/58689#58689

This page explain the situation

There is quite a bit of contradictory information in that stack exchange discussion including someone who quoted the FAQ, highlighted an important detail from it, and then proceeded to directly contradict what they highlighted.

The AA version is society legal because it is follows very simple rules. The UC version is the official version however and as states in the FAQ can be treated in all ways like a normal whip if you have both proficiencies with the exception that it always does lethal damage and isn't negated by armor.

If you use the AA version you have a one handed slashing wepon woth the reach, disarm, and trip properties… if you use the UC version you have a light slashing weapon with the performance property. The AA version doesn’t require exotic weapon scorpion whip to use and is available to anyone proficient with whips… the UC version does require exotic weapon scorpion whip, and if you are proficient with whip it gains all the statistics of a whip in addition to its normal statistics.

As for the OPs original question… this is a tricky matter… in a PFS game it 100% can be a black blade without question since the AA version of the weapon is infact a one-handed slashing weapon… but outside a PFS game the answer isn't quite as cut and dry… on one hand it is a light slashing weapon, but on the otherhand it is also still a one-handed slashing weapon for someone who has both proficiencies.

Liberty's Edge

It is the "reverse" of the "a bastard sword can be a black blade?" question.

A bastard sword is a one-handed slashing weapon, but most people use it as a 2 handed weapon. It can be a black blade because its classification is "one-handed".

The scorpion whip is classified as light, even if it can be used as a one-handed weapon, so it can't be a black blade.

That is the RAW of how it works (unless you use the AA version, as Chell pointed out).

At a home table, the GM can always choose to treat it differently.

P.s.: I wouldn't as my concept of the black blade is heavily influenced by Moorcock books and Stormbringer as a whip is something that doesn't agree with me.

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