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I'm just making a new thread, simply because I couldn't find the main APG errata thread for some reason. I'm probably just blind, so please tell me if you could find it ^^.
Anyway, I was checking out the poisoner archetype and noticed that the dedication is literally just a worse alchemist dedication. I doubt that is supposed to be the case.
What both have in common:
- basic alchemy benefits (infused reagents feature, advanced alchemy, Alchemical Crafting skill feat)
- reagents equal to your level
- advanced alchemy level 1 with no automatic increase
The poisoner dedication gives no further benefits, but instead limits what you can make to only poisons. You also need to be trained in Crafting to take it.
The alchemist dedication has somewhat more demanding requirements, as you need to have 14 INT. However, it also provides a lot more:
- 4 additional formulas
- trained in Crafting & bombs
- trained in class DC
- no limit to type of alchemical items you can produce (not technically an additional benefit, but should be mentioned for contrast)
So yeah, that's kinda unfair in my opinion.
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An archetype isn't balanced solely on its dedication feat.
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An archetype isn't balanced solely on its dedication feat.
That's true, but feats should still be balanced according to their level. And in cases like this, where you have two feats that are so similar and thus directly comparable, one should not be objectively much worse.
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There are some feat splits much worse than this. As it is, there's one other thing that you're not including in the comparison. The alchemist archetype unlocks alchemist archetype feats. The poisoner archetype unlocks poisoner archetype feats. There are entirely reasonable builds that might prefer one or the other.
I'm not saying that things would be objectively worse if the poisoner dedication was buffed a bit, but it's not at the "utter unalloyed travesty" level that would really demand errata.
By contrast, I would offer up a comparison between Murksight (Witch 8) and Storm Born (Druid 1). Perhaps a comparison between Visual Fidelity (Inventor 6) and Deadeye (Gunslinger 12)?
What about Bastion dedication vs just taking Reactive Shield? Student of Perfection vs Ki Strike?
Feats cannot be evaluated in a vacuum... when you can take them and the options they open up is an important consideration too.
(Personally I hate this "Feat+" Dedications...)
Doesn't Poisoner have an option to make poison DC equal class DC at like level 10 like Snarecrafter?
it does not, only a toxicologist can do that
Doesn't Poisoner have an option to make poison DC equal class DC at like level 10 like Snarecrafter?it does not, only a toxicologist can do that
And to be fair, Alchemist Archetype no longer has access to get Powerful Alchemy either. When Powerful Alchemy was wrapped into the class features of Alchemist, the feat that would make it accessible to the Archetype was also removed.
Yes, please give Poisoner a feat to get DC = Class DC. Not only do you get lower level poisons with worse effects than normal (fair for an archetype) but their DCs area also balanced for that lower level giving you a quadratic negative scaling and just makes them completely unusable imo.
All I want from the next APG errata is acknowledgement that a Major Ghost Charge should have a +3 Item Bonus to the Strike.
All I want from the next APG errata is acknowledgement that a Major Ghost Charge should have a +3 Item Bonus to the Strike.
Oh wow, I never noticed that XD
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All I want from the next APG errata is acknowledgement that a Major Ghost Charge should have a +3 Item Bonus to the Strike.
Oh, there is a lot more in the APG that I would like to see fixed than just that.
The APG is where Witch came from.
All I want from the next APG errata is acknowledgement that a Major Ghost Charge should have a +3 Item Bonus to the Strike.Oh, there is a lot more in the APG that I would like to see fixed than just that.
The APG is where Witch came from.
I haven't gotten every question answered from the core yet. :P
But, yeah... witch. And Ancient Elf Eldritch Tricksters.
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Not the most pressing but I’d appreciate any clarification on the intent of what “mitigate” means for Oracle curses.
More than anything though, I want Life Link to have its heightening improved. It’s primed to neatly heighten +2 instead of awkwardly heightening at 3rd then at 6th and 9th. I’m biased though. Life Oracle is my favorite single entity in the game.