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No one really saw them playing PF1 though. They switched to 5e before Vox Machina started on Geek and Sundry. So there wasn't an audience to complain yet.
They also just might be under the NDA that was sent out. Until that is up they wouldn't legally be able to talk about it. I thought that expired today, but I might be misremembering.
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Their statement is up, and says... functionally nothing.
I have every reason to read this as "we already have a contract with WotC and so cannot criticize them any further than this." You're probably safe to look elsewhere for PF2 actual play.
Is there a PF2e actual play that dispenses with the roleplay and just presents the adventure with mechanics for beginners to learn the system? My two major problems with actual play are a)the players/GM and b) the lack of clearly indicated use of the game rules.
I know that isn’t exactly “actual play” as largely presented, but it would be an awesome resource. Most videos I have seen take multiple minutes to explain one mechanic.
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OPINION TIME AGAIN - YAY!
Yep, I just about guarantee that they signed it and once they realized just HOW bad it was for basically anyone who couldn't get an awesome over-the-top custom deal like they would absolutely have been able to negotiate they realized that they were in for HUGE trouble, and went effectively radio silent afterward, the timing for it is absolutely perfect.
I'd wager that they're going to end up being leveraged as the promotional/marketing faces of the new VTT and will end up implementing it visually on their stream as soon as the WotC devs manage to get a working and attractive internal alpha going.
As "soft" and "welcoming" as their public image is there is NO WAY they would have EVER come out with such a weak and meaningless statement if they weren't contractually obligated to align with WotC and start using/promoting the new/revamped/upgrade/digitized edition that is being cooked up while operating under whatever new WotC OGL that will eventually show up.
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Rotgrind still my favorite actual play I've seen x'D
I'm a huge fan of Oblivion Oath.
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I'm not sure how much choice they have in this, so it's sort of hard to judge them one way or another.
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I think there are way too many contractual entanglements for them to move to Pathfinder currently.
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Darrington Press has been working on a board and RPG game.
The RPG game Syndicult is a modern magic role-playing game. So will be interesting to see if they ditch that other game for Syndicult. If they want to stay with fantasy then there's a chance they might go to Pathfinder 2e if that other game still has people up in arms.
Once Critical role is out from under contracts with that other company it will be interesting to see what happens.
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I'm not sure how much choice they have in this, so it's sort of hard to judge them one way or another.
I’m surprised at you, KC. They have a choice. It’s not that hard to judge. I’m not sure this is the time to be moderate. These guys are shills, and have been possibly before they jumped to a bigger ship. Now that the rest of the planet has come to the quite simple realisation that it is a straining crap-pile of a ship, these folks should jump while they still have a modicum of social capital left.
So they have to say nice things about D and D Beyond in their whatever it is people think they do or they what…get sued? If I were them…actually I would never do what they do.
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I'm not sure how much choice they have in this, so it's sort of hard to judge them one way or another.I’m surprised at you, KC. They have a choice. It’s not that hard to judge. I’m not sure this is the time to be moderate. These guys are shills, and have been possibly before they jumped to a bigger ship. Now that the rest of the planet has come to the quite simple realisation that it is a straining crap-pile of a ship, these folks should jump while they still have a modicum of social capital left.
So they have to say nice things about D and D Beyond in their whatever it is people think they do or they what…get sued? If I were them…actually I would never do what they do.
I don't envy anyone bound by contracts to a multi-billion dollar corporation. "Just get sued by Hasbro's legal team" isn't exactly an option, even for them.
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I don't envy anyone bound by contracts to a multi-billion dollar corporation. "Just get sued by Hasbro's legal team" isn't exactly an option, even for them.I'm not sure how much choice they have in this, so it's sort of hard to judge them one way or another.I’m surprised at you, KC. They have a choice. It’s not that hard to judge. I’m not sure this is the time to be moderate. These guys are shills, and have been possibly before they jumped to a bigger ship. Now that the rest of the planet has come to the quite simple realisation that it is a straining crap-pile of a ship, these folks should jump while they still have a modicum of social capital left.
So they have to say nice things about D and D Beyond in their whatever it is people think they do or they what…get sued? If I were them…actually I would never do what they do.
I don’t envy them either.
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I can say what I'd do, but I don't think I have any right to tell someone else to upend their life to that extent. Not to that extent. I do understand what you're saying, but in the same way I don't want any hate being sent to the WotC employees who don't control their bosses, I'm reluctant to support hate being sent to contracted entertainers who don't control the company they're attached to.
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@thejeff - I haven’t seen many more posts from the OP after the initial one. Unless you meant me, so to clarify - I have no grudge, I’m just…terse…apparently.
With the way WotC is heading, I hope Critical Role switches back to Pathfinder.
If I were Matt Mercer, wait, Travis is the CEO. As a Texas gentleman, as he is, and if I were him, I'd call up Chris Cocks and say; "Pay us 1.3 million a year or f~$@ off".
If it were me IANAL. ;p
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One significant complication with Critical Role is the staff.
The main players could all walk away on principle, I expect. But doing so would have severe impact on the 50-100 people who work for them (those are the numbers Ive heard cited no idea of the accuracy).
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One significant complication with Critical Role is the staff.
The main players could all walk away on principle, I expect. But doing so would have severe impact on the 50-100 people who work for them (those are the numbers Ive heard cited no idea of the accuracy).
The more I learn and the more that I think about it I am beginning to come around on my impression of the non-stance that the Critical Role business entity has put out because... well, you're right Steve, they're not a group of players, and GMs, they're not just voice actors, streamers, or influencers either, they are an IMMENSE international business entity with over 100 people who rely on a steady income from the money they generate. As big as their Twitch presence is, and it is immense (they are by far the largest channel and have a REAL sweetheart deal that nobody else on the platform could ever even dream to score) the money made from their Twitch subscribers and watch time ad-revenue split isn't even the biggest part of their income, that instead comes from sponsorships, merch, in-person appearance fees and the like.
As I understand it the contracts and official sponsorships that they established with D&D Beyond were subsumed by WotC and along with it the very standard anti-defamation clauses are bound to have transferred along with it which means that in all likelihood if the main faces of CR DID speak out in any meaningful way the entire business would be in jeopardy and given the kind of absolute snakes the multinational corporate lawyers held by HASBRO/WotC are in general there is an extremely high likelihood that doing so would result in FAR more than the loss of sponsorship and potentially end up having to sign CR over to WotC/HASBRO or otherwise permanently shutter the doors on the company. That would result in the loss of tens of millions of dollars, merch lines, their stream, their studio, and also most likely require the business and anyone who personally spoke out to pay hefty fines due to breach of contract.
Their best move from a PR standpoint is to stay silent, finish airing the current season of episodes they already taped, fulfill whatever minimum number of additional streams, in-person appearances, social media posts, merch signings, and quietly then spin down the sales and merch arm of the business until their contract/partnership expires. Of the 100+ people who are directly or indirectly employed by them MOST of those people are NOT themselves millionaires or likely even hundred thousandaires and many of them have families that depend on the income to keep food on the table.
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I kind of hope they don't create their own system. I mean, some of the basically home brew stuff they have put it seems cool, but putting out an entire new game system and continuing to expand and support it is a big project. And one that's really completely different from their core business model. Probably far less profitable as well.
I'd hate to see them get bogged down in game design and support and lose focus on what they do well. Or tie themselves to a new game that turns out to fail.
But it's a hard question for them, because they wield a lot of influence and if they do choose an existing system to play, they'll likely be a huge boost to that system.
Getting involved with Kobold Press would maybe work for the best, since they are staying close to 5e in the Black Flag.
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I kind of hope they don't create their own system. I mean, some of the basically home brew stuff they have put it seems cool, but putting out an entire new game system and continuing to expand and support it is a big project. And one that's really completely different from their core business model. Probably far less profitable as well.
I'd hate to see them get bogged down in game design and support and lose focus on what they do well. Or tie themselves to a new game that turns out to fail.
But it's a hard question for them, because they wield a lot of influence and if they do choose an existing system to play, they'll likely be a huge boost to that system.
Kobold Press is doing the same thing Paizo did with 3.5e but with 5e. It went well for Paizo. 5e is bigger than 3.5 was, so there's a good chance Kobold Press could be bigger than Paizo because of their own game. Core rule books tend to be more profitable than adventures and supplements. It's one of the main reasons Wotc made the OGL in the first place. It sounds like Kobold Press was already working on their own game before the OGL1.1 leak even started. It sounds like Kobold Press is hoping to have the early playtest out next month and playable by Gen con.
Isn't LevelUp 5E the D&D equivalent already? I'm guessing Black Flag is going to be pretty different.
Kobold Press is doing the same thing Paizo did with 3.5e but with 5e.
That's not confirmed. We don't have any real details about what their rule structure is going to look like, aside from the fact that it will be ORC-based.
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Isn't LevelUp 5E the D&D equivalent already? I'm guessing Black Flag is going to be pretty different.
LevelUP 5e is a 1.0a OGL game/product and the disposition of it is very much up in the air as to if it will be able to continue operating should WotC dedcide to prevent further products from being able to be made AFTER they launch whatever new OGL they make. WotC has stated that things that have already been made will not be impacted by the changes but every official statement thus far seems to have been very careful NOT to say that it will still be permitted for use with products that haven't already been completed/published/released.
If things shake out in a manner that disallows continued new releases under the 1.0a OGL then LevelUp 5e is going to be essentially dead in the water as they won't really be able to make new stuff for the game without essentially ensuring that NOTHING in them references SRD materials, in other words, every iota of new supplements for it would need to NOT use or reference anything in the SRD that it fundamentally works off of and relies on. Without the ability to make new products that will make it essentially a "complete" system that can't really keep continuing and would represent a poison-pill to the whole project since publishers absolutely have to keep making new stuff in order to remain profitable, simply relying on PDF sales for their existing offerings would invariably mean their income will dry up sooner rather than later even if it does get an influx of players.
That is why Kobold Press is aiming to start over with a completely fresh foundation that avoids any and all use of SRD mechanics or content. As to if it's going to be something akin to a "5-Eigh Clone" or not, only KP, their team, and close peers really know.
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I'm more interested in seeing what Dimension20 does.
Secretly, in my heart of hearts, I want Brennan to do a WotC/Hasbro CEO video.
I know Dimension 20 films pretty far in advance but I'm really hoping that one of the next adventures they announce comes with a declaration of intent to move away from DnD. Brennan wears his politics on his sleeve much more than Mercer does and what Hasbro/WotC tried to pull goes pretty hard against everything he's presented himself as.
Frankly, the lack of response from Dimension 20 has worried me.
One thing to keep in mind about the recent DnD Beyond ad on CR...
They're pre-recorded now. So the recording could have been before any of the non-responses from WotC took place.
Then again, when they did respond it was a very milquetoast "our hands are tied legally so all we can say is we are 100% for open gaming".
If I had to guess, they probably have a different license or agreement with WotC for the streaming and such, but for their Darlington Press products tied to 5E, they may not be very happy.
One thing we won't ever see is Marisha or Travis publicly telling WotC to go f themselves.
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This is what happens when you lay with snakes
I won't be watching vox season 2
Pity. It's pretty good so far.
And I liked season 1
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I'm more interested in seeing what Dimension20 does.
Secretly, in my heart of hearts, I want Brennan to do a WotC/Hasbro CEO video.
Today, Emily and Murph of Dimension 20 released an episode on NADDPOD (Not Another D&D Podcast) where they did an overview of Pathfinder 2e, and Emily seemed super excited it. Sounds like they might do a one-shot using the system at the very least. I feel like this is some great publicity for Paizo.
Today, Emily and Murph of Dimension 20 released an episode on NADDPOD (Not Another D&D Podcast) where they did an overview of Pathfinder 2e, and Emily seemed super excited it. Sounds like they might do a one-shot using the system at the very least. I feel like this is some great publicity for Paizo.I'm more interested in seeing what Dimension20 does.
Secretly, in my heart of hearts, I want Brennan to do a WotC/Hasbro CEO video.
Link?
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Critical Role is a popular web series that features a group of voice actors playing the role-playing game Dungeons & Dragons. The show originally used the 3.5 edition of the rules, but later switched to using the 5th edition of the rules.
Actually, by now, it is a group of actors playing people playing the role-playing game Dungeons & Dragons. If that's not mostly scripted these days, I'll eat my hat.
Critical Role is a popular web series that features a group of voice actors playing the role-playing game Dungeons & Dragons. The show originally used the 3.5 edition of the rules, but later switched to using the 5th edition of the rules.Actually, by now, it is a group of actors playing people playing the role-playing game Dungeons & Dragons. If that's not mostly scripted these days, I'll eat my hat.
Too funny.
Yeah, they played PF1E prior to Critical Role, but switched to 5E for "brand recognition" reasons. Hence why Percy is a gunslinger, when none existed in 5E at the time...they homebrewed it.
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Yeah, they played PF1E prior to Critical Role, but switched to 5E for "brand recognition" reasons. Hence why Percy is a gunslinger, when none existed in 5E at the time...they homebrewed it.
There is that plus the fact that for audiences it is WAY better to eschew as much of the fiddling with sheets, checking numbers, referencing specific rules, and rolling dice when you're putting on what is essentially an improv show that has underlying randomization elements to it.
Undoubtedly, 5e is way easier to film than PF1 or even PF2 for that matter.