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Just something I was pondering. You have through some means gained a form of long life/immortality from the pathfinder system which one would you prefer to have?
Longevity: If Mythic don't age or die from old age.
Eternal Youth: Mythic - ignore aging penalties till high mythic tier then live forever, can't be aged and can appear any age you like.
Immortality: Wizard/alchemist discovery - no penalties from aging. Presumably don't die from old age.
Timeless Body: Druid/monk - Still die of old age but no penalties from aging up to that point.
Reincarnated: Druid - Die of old age but reincarnated (once per week, two deaths per week stay dead) if killed by other means.
Odd: Time Oracle - can't be aged or die of old age but any penalties from aging you already have remeain
Doping: Strange fluid with its drug effects and a guaranteed immortality (no aging penalties, no dying from old age) side effect.
Regular Doping: A dose of sun Orchid elixer is delivered to you wherever you are 1 year before you'd die of old age, but you still take aging penalties up to that point.
Other: Any of the many methods I've not listed e.g. star oracle die and become a child that ages over a week.
Personally I'd go for the wizard or alchemist ones no outside requirements, no penalties although admitedly you can still die from misadventure.
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Longevity is nice, you gain the mental stats, don't lose the physical stats and can't die of old age. Win win win..
It does say you continue to age, which is fine, I wouldn't want to look 18 forever, but normally at ~70 you'd look old, what would you look like at 700??
I read that more as you gain experience and knowlege not that you physically age myself. Hmmm maybe yoda little muppet hobling around on a cane?
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Reincarnated Druid is the best since it reincarnates you into a young body as well as protecting you from getting murdered once a week.
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Is it a young body? Or your same body? Or a different body?
A new young adult body. You would look different, but if it's real world then you'd just be another human.
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How often do you think you are going to be killed? With the Reincarnated Druid you only reincarnate when you die. So you die from old age and will probably live out full life span before you reincarnate again. Besides once you get to 13th level you can look like anything you want by using A Thousand Faces.
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How often do you think you are going to be killed? With the Reincarnated Druid you only reincarnate when you die. So you die from old age and will probably live out full life span before you reincarnate again. Besides once you get to 13th level you can look like anything you want by using A Thousand Faces.
Think Dr Who if you watched that you die and you're now a black haired man or a blonde woman or a tibetan man.
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How many lifetimes do I need to sell my own organs/bones before I have enough funds to do whatever I need done to avoid nonsense?
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How many lifetimes do I need to sell my own organs/bones before I have enough funds to do whatever I need done to avoid nonsense?
I doubt you'd get much for human parts unless your selling on the black market which I don't know prices for. Better to invest in stocks, bonds, valuable resources, land and a good lawyer to make an iron clad will leaving it all to someone (just need to figure out how to prove who you reincarnate into is the rightful heir while ensuring the lawyer can't put up themself first).
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There's becoming a god as another means. It has its points.
Of those listed, being reincarnated might be nice. I don't know that I'm getting that much use out of my human bonus feat.
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There's becoming a god as another means. It has its points.
Of those listed, being reincarnated might be nice. I don't know that I'm getting that much use out of my human bonus feat.
Gods fine if that's your choice it'd fit under other. Personally I'm less of a fan of it simply because Pathfinder rules imply there's ancient deep magics which would require to mostly retire to your own realm and act through followers but I'm more of a wander the world and see the sights type. That however takes money and when you've saved the money your too old to enjoy it hence my liking for immortality.
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I think I'd go for Reincarnated Druid, personally. Easy way to reset everything when your friends have all passed on, and when you get tired of existence you have a way out, yourself.
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If I'm an adventurer making my way up:
Reincarnated Druid. Because it's way, way easier to get to 5th level than to get any of those other abilities.
If I'm an adventurer and get to choose one regardless of level:
Oracle Enlightened Philosopher or Heavens mystery. It's provides the most protection. If you die, you are reincarnated. Doesn't matter if you were killed or died of natural causes, no uses/week limit, no particular vulnerabilities (death effects). Pretty much the only way it won't work is if someone nails you with trap the soul or a similar effect.
Me, personally, as a human on earth?
Probably Timeless Body. Maybe with an option on a sun orchid elixir. I don't know that I would want to be endlessly reincarnated with no way out except to trap my soul forever. But it sure would be nice to enjoy my future retirement with the strength and stamina of my 18-year-old self.
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If I'm an adventurer making my way up:
Reincarnated Druid. Because it's way, way easier to get to 5th level than to get any of those other abilities.If I'm an adventurer and get to choose one regardless of level:
Oracle Enlightened Philosopher or Heavens mystery. It's provides the most protection. If you die, you are reincarnated. Doesn't matter if you were killed or died of natural causes, no uses/week limit, no particular vulnerabilities (death effects). Pretty much the only way it won't work is if someone nails you with trap the soul or a similar effect.Me, personally, as a human on earth?
Probably Timeless Body. Maybe with an option on a sun orchid elixir. I don't know that I would want to be endlessly reincarnated with no way out except to trap my soul forever. But it sure would be nice to enjoy my future retirement with the strength and stamina of my 18-year-old self.
Last one this the you you not an adventuring character in golarion. That is the advantage/drawback of the wizard/alchemists version. You are forever young but your not immune to disease, injury or death. So you have a way out but you could have your eternal life cut short by something as simple as slipping in the shower one night.
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With the druids reincarnation it is easier to remain hidden and also to actually live a normal life. If you never age you will have to probably find a new identity about every 20 years and will need to move far away or chances are someone will recognize you. You also have to avoid fame or notoriety of you will be easily recognized. With the druids reincarnation you get a fresh start every time. You can do anything you want and not have to worry about something from your past being used against you. Since you are getting a new body not even your DNA would be the same.
But it is not difficult to allow you to continue to accumulate wealth. A couple of Swiss bank accounts or similar things and you don’t really need to worry about money. Hiding away some valuables that can be easily sold will allow you to avoid paper trails.
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Reincarnated Druid. Easy way out is that you only have to be unwilling to come back and the reincarnation fails. So, when you are really ready, you are done.
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With the druids reincarnation it is easier to remain hidden and also to actually live a normal life. If you never age you will have to probably find a new identity about every 20 years and will need to move far away or chances are someone will recognize you. You also have to avoid fame or notoriety of you will be easily recognized. With the druids reincarnation you get a fresh start every time. You can do anything you want and not have to worry about something from your past being used against you. Since you are getting a new body not even your DNA would be the same.
But it is not difficult to allow you to continue to accumulate wealth. A couple of Swiss bank accounts or similar things and you don’t really need to worry about money. Hiding away some valuables that can be easily sold will allow you to avoid paper trails.
If you want to transfer wealth to another person - sure you can do that. Maybe with some taxes, but it's not too hard. However it would be really hard to leave money to "this person, I don't know what he looks like yet and he won't have any government records or DNA proving he's my heir, but he's the one who gets the money." At least not without drawing a great deal of attention. We know what the deal is, but any government is going to assume you are up to something illegal.
So you're left with three options. The first is using corrupt people. On the small scale, you could maybe find a shady gold dealer willing to take that bar of gold no questions asked but you're not getting anywhere near the price you paid for it. You can set up a money-laundering network but that's also pretty lossy. Watch a documentary on drug cartels and marvel at how much money they "lose" to management fees, salaries, conversion charges, and bribes to people in "legitimate" jobs. Not even counting outright theft. Pretty much any other option in this category involves personal relationships or at least reputation. Such as the fine art world.
Secondly, you can use an intermediary who knows your secret. Better be someone you really, really trust.
Finally you have the option I would have to go with: complex corporate structures. You're going to lose some wealth to lawyers, and you're going to need a decent understanding yourself. As long as the inputs are from legitimate sources you are going to avoid a lot of oversight. And corporations are always transferring money around to each other, often anonymously and electronically. Easy to do remotely both before and after your reincarnation. You can get the money out by paying yourself a salary as an officer of one of those corporations. Downsides: you are double-taxed (once on the money you earned elsewhere before you put in, then again when you pull it out) and it's probably breaking some kind of law. However as long as you are keeping the amounts moderate and paying the taxes no one is really going to be looking for illegal activity.
Because any transfer method is lossy, it's going to require building up a fairly substantial nest egg to start, then being absolutely sure that you are earning more than you are taking out. And this is just the current state of play. It's going to change. You'll have to change your methods. 100+ years ago, my advice to any Western person would have been to keep your wealth in gold. Thanks to the gold standards, you could have walked into a bank with a gold bar and walked out with spendable currency.
I may have spent a moderate amount of time thinking about this.
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** spoiler omitted **...With the druids reincarnation it is easier to remain hidden and also to actually live a normal life. If you never age you will have to probably find a new identity about every 20 years and will need to move far away or chances are someone will recognize you. You also have to avoid fame or notoriety of you will be easily recognized. With the druids reincarnation you get a fresh start every time. You can do anything you want and not have to worry about something from your past being used against you. Since you are getting a new body not even your DNA would be the same.
But it is not difficult to allow you to continue to accumulate wealth. A couple of Swiss bank accounts or similar things and you don’t really need to worry about money. Hiding away some valuables that can be easily sold will allow you to avoid paper trails.
I'm suddenly thinking of Barney Stinson from how I met your mother explaining his job. "Yes I'm the P.L.E.A.S.E Officer for 'insert company name here.' I earn $1,173,312 a year and my sole role is to sign everything and be the fall guy if the government ever look into the company owner. Why? Well for the last 600 years its been a succession of people with no ID, no history and no apparent relationship to each other who appear out of nowhwere on the day the previous owner dissapears under mysterious circumstances. Its a good job but one day I expect to dissapear myself."
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You're hired Senko.
The trickiest part is dying somewhere you didn't expect and waking up naked a mile from your previous corpse. Easy enough to secure a a mile radius property with enough time, but dying while you're out and about is...tricky.
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You're hired Senko.
The trickiest part is dying somewhere you didn't expect and waking up naked a mile from your previous corpse. Easy enough to secure a a mile radius property with enough time, but dying while you're out and about is...tricky.
That is the risk its why I had fun with one character I just threw the rules out the window for. A gestalt Sorcerer/Druid mythic 10 character who had . . .
1) Hidden their death so they couldn't be killed till you found and restored that (did a favour for Baba Yaga to be taught how to do this).
2) Was mythic 10 so required a cou de gras with an artifact to kill.
3) Had phoenix bloodline so if they were killed they instantly resurected via that at full hp (useable once per day).
4) Had traded the Druids capstone for hard to kill so if they were killed, polymorphed, turned to stone or some other means of neutralising them they automatically returned at the end of the scene because "reasons". (useable once per week).
5) Was a reincarnate druid so if these failed they reincarnated a day later. (No limit on this as far as I can tell as long as its not within a week of the previous death or caused by a death effect)
6) Had clones scattered around so if the previous forms failed they jump back to them.
So to permanently kill them you had to destroy their clones, find their death, cou de gras them with an artifact, cou de gras them with an artifact a second time, leave and come back find them within a week and cou de gras them with an artifact (potentially cou de gras them again if it took more than a day to find them) and then secure everything in a mile of that last death so you can catch them when they reincarnate and cou de gras them two more times. At which point if you missed a single clone it all started over.
In addition to this they had the Asimar variant trait can't be raised as undead and something I still like using many forms so if they were reincarnated they could reassume their previous look or a different one if they preferred such as a woodland animal to try and sneak away.
I do find it amusing however that pathfinder devs seem happier giving you ways to cheat death (many lives is a 5th level ability if I remember right) than they are to let you just not die of old age via immortality providing not one but to seperate mythic path abilities to grant it instead of it just being a natural part of the tier 9 immortal ability.
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Reincarnation seems to be the most fun to be fair.
Or Mecanical Apotheosis through Numerian Tech :D
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Wait, what? People want to live LONGER?!?! Gross.
I can't wait to clock out at the end of my shift... a job well done.
There is absolutely zero desire to hang out with humanity any longer than I have to...
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Reincarnated Druid is the best since it reincarnates you into a young body as well as protecting you from getting murdered once a week.
This is also my response. If I got to have one of the abilities IRL, reincarnated druid would be my choice.
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If I absolutely HAD to pick one, I would also pick the Reincarnated Druid's version.
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To clarify on why the reincarnated Druid version seems the best option, it's the least likely to attract suspicion. If you actually lived forever, you would have to obfuscate ownership of all your assets.
With reincarnation, you can will it to a new identity (which seems a bit easier to me).
If anyone really gets suspicious you die, and they're really unlikely to figure out the mechanics of how your reincarnation works (assuming you're the only one with such a power).
It also offers many opportunities to start your life over.
The down side is losing those you care about as you continue to live and they die. Of course, you can always choose to permanently end things (though violent deaths do generally circumvent most forms of immortality in Pathfinder).
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** spoiler omitted **...With the druids reincarnation it is easier to remain hidden and also to actually live a normal life. If you never age you will have to probably find a new identity about every 20 years and will need to move far away or chances are someone will recognize you. You also have to avoid fame or notoriety of you will be easily recognized. With the druids reincarnation you get a fresh start every time. You can do anything you want and not have to worry about something from your past being used against you. Since you are getting a new body not even your DNA would be the same.
But it is not difficult to allow you to continue to accumulate wealth. A couple of Swiss bank accounts or similar things and you don’t really need to worry about money. Hiding away some valuables that can be easily sold will allow you to avoid paper trails.
While your arguments about portable wealth are correct I think you're getting more complex than you need to about passing it on.
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I like that idea, though I believe the laws are changing on that front.
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I like that idea, though I believe the laws are changing on that front.
Funny thing about laws. They are constantly changing. For better or worse.
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You don’t really need to pass the wealth as long as you can use benefits of the wealth that is just a good. Who cares who actually owns the house as a long as you can live in it and do what you want. Let someone else be the one in control of the wealth and deal with all the legal details. Come up with a cover story that the assets are owned by a mysterious organization that the people running things are part of. There are operatizes that will come in are to be obeyed that will have some way of proving who they are. You could even setup several of these fake organizations so that they have not connection between the two.
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In previous campaigns, I was thinking a custom consumable item based on Cyclic Reincarnate would be the way to go since you can stay your own race and look related.
But now I'm worried about pets, undead, constructs, etc... I'm thinking dying would break that control.
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You don’t really need to pass the wealth as long as you can use benefits of the wealth that is just a good. Who cares who actually owns the house as a long as you can live in it and do what you want. Let someone else be the one in control of the wealth and deal with all the legal details. Come up with a cover story that the assets are owned by a mysterious organization that the people running things are part of. There are operatizes that will come in are to be obeyed that will have some way of proving who they are. You could even setup several of these fake organizations so that they have not connection between the two.
Amusingly enough the Washington Post started publishing a series of stories the day you wrote this. It was headlined as being about the wealthy "hiding money in offshore tax havens." The anecdotes were all about setting up trusts. The person gaining beneficial use of the assets in the trust (like a multi-million dollar apartment in Monaco) could say "not mine, it belongs to this trust that lets me use it." The trust would say "not ours, we just hold it for someone else." And the person who originally provided the funds (even when it's the same as the beneficiary) would say "not mine, I gave that to a trust."
The two main reasons were to avoid paying taxes and - relevant to this discussion - to conceal the actual owner of the assets. Some of the more complex ones seem to have been set up as nested trusts (Trust A is nothing more than the assets of Trust B, which is nothing more than the assets of Trust C, etc.) in different jurisdictions. With the intention of transferring the assets to a brand new nested structure once the authorities start working their way up the chain and forcing them to restart the legal process before discovering the true owner.
So I go back to my original option: complex corporate structures are currently the way to go.
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Shady tax haven nonsense is no fun, at all...
You obviously need to bury your wealth and leave hand-drawn maps with "X's" to remind you of the location(s). That way, you have something to do in your next life... a life without purpose might as well just be a zombie.
But I can't make you into a zombie if you keep popping up elsewhere, so don't waste your opportunity... because your opportunity is wasting a perfectly good zombie.
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You don’t really need to pass the wealth as long as you can use benefits of the wealth that is just a good. Who cares who actually owns the house as a long as you can live in it and do what you want. Let someone else be the one in control of the wealth and deal with all the legal details. Come up with a cover story that the assets are owned by a mysterious organization that the people running things are part of. There are operatizes that will come in are to be obeyed that will have some way of proving who they are. You could even setup several of these fake organizations so that they have not connection between the two.Amusingly enough the Washington Post started publishing a series of stories the day you wrote this. It was headlined as being about the wealthy "hiding money in offshore tax havens." The anecdotes were all about setting up trusts. The person gaining beneficial use of the assets in the trust (like a multi-million dollar apartment in Monaco) could say "not mine, it belongs to this trust that lets me use it." The trust would say "not ours, we just hold it for someone else." And the person who originally provided the funds (even when it's the same as the beneficiary) would say "not mine, I gave that to a trust."
The two main reasons were to avoid paying taxes and - relevant to this discussion - to conceal the actual owner of the assets. Some of the more complex ones seem to have been set up as nested trusts (Trust A is nothing more than the assets of Trust B, which is nothing more than the assets of Trust C, etc.) in different jurisdictions. With the intention of transferring the assets to a brand new nested structure once the authorities start working their way up the chain and forcing them to restart the legal process before discovering the true owner.
So I go back to my original option: complex corporate structures are currently the way to go.
This answer is too real and makes me want to go cry in a corner, but only after I've burned down the entirety of societal institutions regarding banking, trusts, taxes, inheritance and probably a number of related things I'm forgetting.
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Shady tax haven nonsense is no fun, at all...
You obviously need to bury your wealth and leave hand-drawn maps with "X's" to remind you of the location(s). That way, you have something to do in your next life... a life without purpose might as well just be a zombie.
But I can't make you into a zombie if you keep popping up elsewhere, so don't waste your opportunity... because your opportunity is wasting a perfectly good zombie.
In order to prove you are the reincarnated Varushka Nana and gain access to the orders non-taxed corporate holdings you must locate and retreieve 8.45 milllion dollars of buried treasure.
I'd pick Eternal Youth, as you don't age and can't die of old age but can still die from other means, so you can still commit suicide if you eventually get tired of life. Honestly, the thought of living literally FOREVER chills me to the bone.
I'd pick Eternal Youth, as you don't age and can't die of old age but can still die from other means, so you can still commit suicide if you eventually get tired of life. Honestly, the thought of living literally FOREVER chills me to the bone.
The pain and sadness of constantly watching everyone you ever cared about die before you eventually turns to disappointment. And when you find yourself only feeling disappointmemt instead of love, it turns to loathing. You hate everyone else for being weak. You hate yourself for hating everyone else.
And when that inward facing hatred consumes your very soul, it is time to take that stupid thing and put it in a box... your soul, that is... put it in a box... a phylactery, if you will...