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Thank you for the link, going to read now.


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Responded there, and it was draining. Thanks for the heads up though


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Honestly if you have done something wrong and value doing the right thing, legal perils should not stop you from admitting fault.

You should be trying to make it as easy as possible for people you have hurt to seek remedies. That is called taking responsibility for your actions.

There is also a lot of evidence that admitting fault actually reduces litigation, and that litigation is often primarily motivated by seeking to force a party who denies fault to admit fault (it is actually very rare for litigating cases like this to actually result in a net financial gain for private citizens suing a company - the large amounts of damages you see in the news are usually drastically reduced afterwards, and often get eaten up by legal fees - what most people who win these cases are really getting out of it is forcing a company to take responsibility and making it harder for then to hurt others).

The conventional wisdom that "you should never admit fault because then people will sue" is actually pretty false.


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The change to hotel policy without an admission that it was preciously used against at least one trans employee really, really rankles me. It’s my biggest concern out of all of these allegations… and it wasn’t mentioned.

Paizo’s brand is loudly queer-inclusive; if management can’t admit when they’ve failed real queer people, then it all rings hollow.


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As an afterthought that really shouldn't be after- I'd like to extend my thanks to our trans comrades for eating a lot of the aggro on this; while I'm a cis white dude, my partner is trans-NB and making the world better space for them is a lot of what motivates me. I just wish you folks didn't end up carrying so much of the burden.


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Catulle wrote:
As an afterthought that really shouldn't be after- I'd like to extend my thanks to our trans comrades for eating a lot of the aggro on this; while I'm a cis white dude, my partner is trans-NB and making the world better space for them is a lot of what motivates me. I just wish you folks didn't end up carrying so much of the burden.

It means a lot that someone acknowledges that - having to deal with people coming out of the woodwork to debate our existence every time something happens is really exhausting.


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Tender Tendrils wrote:
Catulle wrote:
As an afterthought that really shouldn't be after- I'd like to extend my thanks to our trans comrades for eating a lot of the aggro on this; while I'm a cis white dude, my partner is trans-NB and making the world better space for them is a lot of what motivates me. I just wish you folks didn't end up carrying so much of the burden.
It means a lot that someone acknowledges that - having to deal with people coming out of the woodwork to debate our existence every time something happens is really exhausting.

It's miserably unfair, innit? :(


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Catulle wrote:
As an afterthought that really shouldn't be after- I'd like to extend my thanks to our trans comrades for eating a lot of the aggro on this; while I'm a cis white dude, my partner is trans-NB and making the world better space for them is a lot of what motivates me. I just wish you folks didn't end up carrying so much of the burden.

I wish we had a choice in the matter.


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The new statement from Jeff just completely ignores the transphobic con room incident and distracts with 'Staff will now have single rooms'. :(

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Catulle wrote:
Tender Tendrils wrote:
Catulle wrote:
As an afterthought that really shouldn't be after- I'd like to extend my thanks to our trans comrades for eating a lot of the aggro on this; while I'm a cis white dude, my partner is trans-NB and making the world better space for them is a lot of what motivates me. I just wish you folks didn't end up carrying so much of the burden.
It means a lot that someone acknowledges that - having to deal with people coming out of the woodwork to debate our existence every time something happens is really exhausting.
It's miserably unfair, innit? :(

When cis people notice, it gets easier.


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YMMV. I quite enjoy this community, as it’s largely a safe space for queer folks, and a place where I can enthusiastically discuss my favorite fantasy setting with both other fans and the people that make it happen. I’ve been here just since 2e started - and have prompted a couple serious, critical discussions - and by and large, people have been lovely.

It’s not cruel to want the game/world this company makes to be the best it can be, or to want the same for the company itself. Part of why so many queer folks like Rysky and myself are feeling so hurt is /because/ of how welcomed and wanted Pathfinder has come to make us feel… so when other marginalized folk get let down, we likewise have a sense of betrayal.

Shadow Lodge

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Leon Aquilla wrote:
Honestly the community here is a font of nastiness and negativity.

Reminds me of a song...


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That other thread of people talking about the OGL making a non Paizo Pathdinder possible is hardly “scheming to rip Pathfinder away from Paizo. Your take that the fan base here is hostile to the game is intriguing. I mean, those errata threads get petty heated, but come on.

Dark Archive

Also to be fair as mentioned due to things like discord and others like facebook and twitter forums seem to be a dwindling medium anyway.

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What do you call a knight's horse that is misbehaving?

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A knight mare. Also, locking thread for moderation.

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I'm opening the thread back up. I know I keep repeating myself, but please stop quoting content that may be flagged for removal, as it will cause the removal of your post as well. I know it has been a difficult week for a lot of you, but please consider taking a beat before posting something hurtful.

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Kevin Mack wrote:
Also to be fair as mentioned due to things like discord and others like facebook and twitter forums seem to be a dwindling medium anyway.

The inevitable march of progress.

Paizo Employee Director of Community

Removed a few posts. Speculation of who is whom is not appropriate and is also not on topic to the thread.

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Tonya Woldridge wrote:
Removed a few posts. Speculation of who is whom is not appropriate and is also not on topic to the thread.

I...missed something. What?


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Tonya Woldridge wrote:
Removed a few posts. Speculation of who is whom is not appropriate and is also not on topic to the thread.

You might want to do a better job in the sister threads to this one. There's a lot there that is also not specifically on topic.


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Umbral Reaver wrote:
The new statement from Jeff just completely ignores the transphobic con room incident and distracts with 'Staff will now have single rooms'. :(

This grosses me out so much, because it's clear that they know that they screwed up, but they refuse to acknowledge it at all. They're just quietly making a "fix"--which, yes, is an improvement, but also sidesteps the actual issue, which was trans employees being treated as some sort of inconvenience or even threat to other employees. It's like if a company responded to allegations of someone sexually harassing people at the water fountain by just saying, "from now on, employees will be given their own water bottles at the start of each workday :)"


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Yeah, the representation and diversity in paizo products means a lot to me, but knowing that real life trans folks are being mistreated hurts. Not to mention it doesn't fully address the initial issue, it feels like a band aid. (kobold cleaver put it much more eloquently but i just wanted to say i wholeheartedly agree)


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As a trans woman who has loudly gone to bat for Paizo products /because/ of their inclusivity, I’m… really, really upset that the none of the statements have addressed this transphobia. It’s enough that I’m boycotting until it is acknowledged and addressed.

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